Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 David W. Fenton wrote: but here are some examples that work in Acrobat on Mac but not in Preview: I only tried the first example, but it displays fine in Preview. In fact it looks 1000 times more beautiful in Preview than it does in Reader 8 on Mac. The Reader 8 rendition

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: I am on Windows XP using acrobat pro 7 and I have no PDF problems whatsoever. You can't blame the PDF output - the problem seems to be the Preview program on Mac. No, now we really are getting confused here. The screen display of Windows produced Finale PDFs is

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: I have no problems with Finale and PDF on Windows. I use Acrobat pro 7 and sometimes do 30 PDFs a day. They are crisp and clean. Don't blame Finale - check your program and settings. You mean in printout or on screen? I don't think there ever was a problem in

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 David W. Fenton wrote: Another thing that strikes immediately is the difference in quality between in the PDFs on screen between Finale and Sibelius. You know, I look at those two examples and all I see is Finale files produced using default settings, as opposed to created with

Re: [Finale] Speedy entry, cursor doesn't move

2007-09-23 Thread dhbailey
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Does anybody have an answer to this? I'm still drawing a blank... Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote, on 9/17/2007 9:59 PM: This must be easy. A colleague also uses Finale Speedy entry, but with a Midi keyboard. I don't, so can't answer this. It sounds familiar, but

Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: Paper weight

2007-09-23 Thread Ken Moore
John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saved the site below last time this question came up. Be aware that in the U.S. there are two different sets of weight names. 28-lb Bond, according to this chart, equals 70-lb Offset. http://www.paper-paper.com/weight.html Thanks for the URL. It

Re: [Finale] Speedy entry, cursor doesn't move

2007-09-23 Thread dennis
I've never run into it, but my best guess is that some background process is taking over the CPU for short periods of time. Okay, then this isn't some sort of keyboard shortcut that's accidentally being turned on? I vaguely remembered a key combo that would keep the cursor in place to enter

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dhbailey
Kurt Gnos wrote: [snip] I wish our list could be strong enough to DEMAND this. [snip] The demands/requests are there -- what is needed is for MakeMusic to respond in a manner which shows that they care about their installed customer base, instead of using Finale-generated income to support

Re: [Finale] Unexpected Quit on Start

2007-09-23 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Dick Hauser / 07.9.22 / 0:32 PM wrote: Yes. I've loaded a midi file into quicktime and it plays just fine. Exported that to the desktop as midi and then dragged to DP5 which played without a problem (after changing output for midi to my Emu and DMP. Seems you can isolate the problem to

AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Kurt Gnos
Ok, the stafflines are displaying better in low resolution. Since I need PDFs for printing, I don't mind much. And when I want to look a PDFs, I use high resolution (1920x1200), and that's fine - say, compared with the quality of tons of scanned PDFs I have... But here is a simple solution. If

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: But here is a simple solution. If the staff lines are troubling you - just go to document options - Lines and curves - and set the line thickness of staff lines to a lower value - I used 0.003 in my sample PDF that you can get from:

[Finale] Unlinking graphics?

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Is there a way to have a page graphic only display in one part? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Unlinking graphics?

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 Johannes Gebauer wrote: Is there a way to have a page graphic only display in one part? I realized I can use a measure graphic in this case. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 23, 2007, at 4:41 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: I am on Windows XP using acrobat pro 7 and I have no PDF problems whatsoever. You can't blame the PDF output - the problem seems to be the Preview program on Mac. No, now we really are getting confused

Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: Paper weight

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 23, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Ken Moore wrote: John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.paper-paper.com/weight.html Thanks for the URL. It makes me realise how (relatively) simple life is in the metric world, where if I am in any doubt as to whether I am using 80 gm or 100 gm

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:11 AM, dc wrote: dhbailey écrit: My bet would be that there is a larger flow from Finale to Sibelius than the other way around. Of course! MM is doing its best to send its users to Sibelius... I know many people who have made the switch from F to S, and none who

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 23, 2007, at 4:41 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: I am on Windows XP using acrobat pro 7 and I have no PDF problems whatsoever. You can't blame the PDF output - the problem seems to be the Preview program on Mac. No, now we really

[Finale] Mac F2008 Crash on Open

2007-09-23 Thread Dick Hauser
If any mac owners have the time to test. In working on my problem of F2k8 crash on open, I've noticed that the Audio Midi Setup pane of OS is set to 2-ch 24-bit. The MM tech mentioned that Finale only wants 16 bit, but since the crash seems to happen when Finale is initializing midi (not

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread John Howell
At 8:03 AM -0400 9/23/07, dhbailey wrote: It would be very interesting to see the amount of cross-grade sales of Sibelius for Finale-users and compare that with cross-grade sales of Finale for Sibelius users. My bet would be that there is a larger flow from Finale to Sibelius than the

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 23, 2007, at 1:20 PM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 23, 2007, at 4:41 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: I am on Windows XP using acrobat pro 7 and I have no PDF problems whatsoever. You can't blame the PDF output - the problem seems to be

AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Kurt Gnos
Since PDFs are basically postscript, and Finale's display, I guess, is also a kind of postscript, this should be solved easily. Finale's superior fine tuning possibilities (like the possibility to adjust the thickness of staff lines) has its ups, on the other hand drawing the lines as hairlines

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dennis
Since PDFs are basically postscript, and Finale's display, I guess, is also a kind of postscript, this should be solved easily. This does not address the fact that Finale's Compile Postscript Listing function produces a perfect display. Finale prints to Postscript and compiles Postscript quite

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dennis
PS to previous: The reason this is very important for me is that Compile Postscript Listing does *not* include embedded graphics. For many scores, I need them, and have had to fall back on printing to Postscript and its poor results. Dennis ___

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The example you posted looks like the quality display produced by Compile Postscript Listing rather than print-to-Postscript. What was your printing sequence from Finale? And what printer driver were you printing to? No, he just used very thin lines. If

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: Not on my system. Preview makes all the line grey onscreen, but only from SOME Windows-produced PDFs (Mac ones look fine), but Reader 8 looks great. But the lines should be grey. They are thinner than one pixel, so the anti-aliasing should make it

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dennis
Johannes wrote: No, he just used very thin lines. If you print this example it will look pretty awful, at least to my eyes. If you look at the example at high magnification you will still see that the lines don't anti-alias, and display slightly different thicknesses. The lines are very thin,

AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Kurt Gnos
I just used the Acrobat 7 printer driver. No compile postscript - You see why I'm quite happy with Finale's PDF output now...;-) BUT I adjusted the staff line width in Finale. In fact, I have wonderful output from any program whatsoever. In Quark Xpress, you can also save as postscript - I get

AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Kurt Gnos
Dennis, I used to use EPS a lot, and since Finale couldn't get them working for a decade or so, I switched to Tiffs. Pity, since I like EPS and the possibility to enlarge or shrink the EPS at will without losing quality. I never had any problems with PDFs, though, and sometimes I use them as a

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 10:38, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.09.2007 David W. Fenton wrote: but here are some examples that work in Acrobat on Mac but not in Preview: I only tried the first example, but it displays fine in Preview. In fact it looks 1000 times more beautiful in Preview

AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Kurt Gnos
Dennis, you can send me a Finale File using embedded Graphics, and I will print it using Acrobat 7 Pro in XP and upload the output. Kurt -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. September 2007

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 11:10, dc wrote: Kim Patrick Clow écrit: I posted 3 new files... GWV529-Finale.pdf is a PDF of the Finale file. GWV529-Sibelius.pdf is a PDF of the Sibelius first reading of the XML generated by Finale. GWV529-Sibelius-cleaned-up.pdf is a PDF of the file after it

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 11:07, dc wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: You know, I look at those two examples and all I see is Finale files produced using default settings, as opposed to created with the kinds of bautiful layout and settings that you, for instance, produce in your editions. PDF quality

Re: AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dennis
you can send me a Finale File using embedded Graphics, and I will print it using Acrobat 7 Pro in XP and upload the output. Kurt, Most of my files are 20-100MB with their embedded graphics -- a tad too large to send. But I am trying another set of new drivers, and other than the staff lines,

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 11:20, dc wrote: We've already discussed this several times (with each new version of Finale), and the problem arises from the fact that where the lines in Sibelius PDFs (and perhaps MacFin PDFs) are real lines of the proper thickness, Finale lines are made of several thin

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 21:37, Kurt Gnos wrote: Since PDFs are basically postscript, and Finale's display, I guess, is also a kind of postscript, Huh? How does Finale on Windows utilize PS onscreen? The fact is, it doesn't. For that matter, on Mac, display PS *is* used for rendering, but at the

Re: [Finale] OK, time to find out what AW means

2007-09-23 Thread Bunnydowns
When I see 50 such posts in my inbox, I assume somebody is circulating pictures of cute kittens in a basket. Is it actually: Answer Wanted (a strong candidate) Award-Winning (for the particularly egotistical) Asshole Whining (insert your own joke) Articulations Went away (not-so-funny joke)

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 15:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since PDFs are basically postscript, and Finale's display, I guess, is also a kind of postscript, this should be solved easily. This does not address the fact that Finale's Compile Postscript Listing function produces a perfect display.

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 10:33, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.09.2007 David W. Fenton wrote: Another thing that strikes immediately is the difference in quality between in the PDFs on screen between Finale and Sibelius. You know, I look at those two examples and all I see is Finale files

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 22:02, Johannes Gebauer wrote: The problem with the windows PDF output displayed in Reader is that all the lines are different thickness, extremely thick, and the notes are so blotchy one can't read them. Well, that's a horse of a different color. On every PC I've ever

Re: [Finale] OK, time to find out what AW means

2007-09-23 Thread arabushk
AW is the German abbreviation for ANSWER. When I see 50 such posts in my inbox, I assume somebody is circulating pictures of cute kittens in a basket. Is it actually: Answer Wanted (a strong candidate) Award-Winning (for the particularly egotistical) Asshole Whining (insert your own joke)

Re: [Finale] OK, time to find out what AW means

2007-09-23 Thread Barbara Touburg
It could mean antwoord in Dutch (answer). I haven't seen any cute kittens, except for my red Freekje (= little Frederick, in Dutch) lying in front of me on the desk. Going to bed now! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I see 50 such posts in my inbox, I assume somebody is circulating pictures of

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 22:09, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.09.2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The example you posted looks like the quality display produced by Compile Postscript Listing rather than print-to-Postscript. What was your printing sequence from Finale? And what printer driver were

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 23, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.09.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: Not on my system. Preview makes all the line grey onscreen, but only from SOME Windows-produced PDFs (Mac ones look fine), but Reader 8 looks great. But the lines should be grey. They are thinner

Re: [Finale] Mac F2008 Crash on Open

2007-09-23 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Dick Hauser / 07.9.23 / 1:44 PM wrote: In working on my problem of F2k8 crash on open, I've noticed that the Audio Midi Setup pane of OS is set to 2-ch 24-bit. The MM tech mentioned that Finale only wants 16 bit, but since the crash seems to happen when Finale is initializing midi (not

Re: AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
Dennis, Try yousendit.com for large files. They allow files to be sent up to 100mb when you register. I find it very useful. Christopher On Sep 23, 2007, at 5:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can send me a Finale File using embedded Graphics, and I will print it using Acrobat 7

[Finale] Transposition and Concert-Pitch

2007-09-23 Thread Andrew Noah Cap
Hello you people out there, Does anyone know what Coda has done to alternate transposition thingy being found in the STAFF-ATTRIBUTE/EDIT box? I add a String bass to my score which should sound 8vb but the East West Colossus Sampler cannot play it being that it is out of range. Same procedure

Re: [Finale] Transposition and Concert-Pitch

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 23, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Andrew Noah Cap wrote: Hello you people out there, Does anyone know what Coda has done to alternate transposition thingy being found in the STAFF-ATTRIBUTE/EDIT box? I add a String bass to my score which should sound 8vb but the East West Colossus Sampler