Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

This thread is a wonderful example of the value of off-topic discussion. As a horn player occasionally doing shows and as such being faced with modern "swing" repertoire I recognise my limitations in this field - sitting next to a trumpeter and playing exactly the same notes and rhythm, he sounded

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

On 17 Mar 2010, at 21:28, Andrew Stiller wrote: There's at least one exception to that. In an early-19th c. French book about the proper pinning of barrel organs, there's a detailed illustration of the pinning for a barrel to play the overture to "The Marriage of Figaro." When the illustrati

Re: [Finale] OT: trying to upgrade browsers

Hi Andrew, Try downloading Firefox first, then navigate to that website using Firefox. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 17 Mar 2010, at 4:31 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: > Thanks once again to everybody responding to this thread. > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Bob

Re: [Finale] OT: trying to upgrade browsers

Thanks once again to everybody responding to this thread. On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Bob Morabito wrote: Hi Andrew http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/ Select an operating system: Select Mac OS X 10.1-10.3 Hit continue Then hit Agree and Install now When I click Continue, n

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

On Mar 17, 2010, at 2:22 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: This is one case where there's a lot less excuse for those who can't swing as opposed to those who can't play notes inegal -- we really don't know exactly what it sound like because all we have are written- down descriptions of how it was to b

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

On 17 Mar 2010 at 12:37, Michael Greensill wrote: > < short passage gets completely wrong (the sole musical example has > zilch to do with inegal), and how much about the topic it omits > entirely.>> > > A good example of why the internet is about information and not > knowledge. Thanks for put

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

<> A good example of why the internet is about information and not knowledge. Thanks for putting us straight.if of course you're right :) Mike G. www.mikegreensill.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/lis

[Finale] Print as PS / page size problem (Mac2009)

Can someone tell me the exact steps to get Finale to properly export a PDF or PS file with embedded EPS graphics? I'm still trying to figure out whether I should save the EPS (from InDesign) with a preview or not — or which kind of preview — but it seems I can't win with any settings. I've tr

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

On 17 Mar 2010 at 12:02, Michael Greensill wrote: > Wow! A new word every day. > > I had to look up inegalnot easy, it turns out it's a French word > and we need the accent on the "e". But here's a site that explains it > and gives musical examples and mentions swing! > > http://www.dolm

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

At 1:17 PM -0400 3/17/10, David W. Fenton wrote: On 17 Mar 2010 at 12:12, John Howell wrote: Proper baroque articulations with the bow are a little harder to get across, and so is playing with notes inegals (which is not QUITE the same thing as swing--more like an Irish fiddler's "lilt").

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

On 17 Mar 2010 at 11:46, Chuck Israels wrote: > On Mar 17, 2010, at 11:22 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > > (the amount of bow used for each note -- for instance, in a > > quarter / two eighths passage, theoretically, the quarter note would > > use twice as much bow as each of the 8ths, though

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

Wow! A new word every day. I had to look up inegalnot easy, it turns out it's a French word and we need the accent on the "e". But here's a site that explains it and gives musical examples and mentions swing! http://www.dolmetsch.com/musictheory20.htm I've very much enjoyed the intelli

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

On Mar 17, 2010, at 11:22 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: > (the amount of bow used for each note -- for instance, in a > quarter / two eighths passage, theoretically, the quarter note would > use twice as much bow as each of the 8ths, though it actually is more > logarithmic, and the quarter uses

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

On 17 Mar 2010 at 13:52, Darcy James Argue wrote: > Fascinating -- I know nothing about the "notes inegal" problem but > your description of it makes it sound very familiar. I hear the same "familiarity" whenever I hear y'all despairing over swing. > What's most frustrating about the swing pro

[Finale] Finale 2009 and full GPO

To the collective wisdom: I've got these (FinMac2009 and full GPO with Aria player). How do I get the KS to work? I know that using the setup wizard automatically loads the notation version of GPO. And that arco and pizz and tremolo will trigger those in the strings. But how about thing

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

Hi David, Fascinating -- I know nothing about the "notes inegal" problem but your description of it makes it sound very familiar. What's most frustrating about the swing problem, though, is that sure, it's an oral tradition, but it's an aural tradition that is *very well documented on recordin

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

On 17 Mar 2010 at 12:12, John Howell wrote: > Proper baroque articulations with the bow are a > little harder to get across, and so is playing > with notes inegals (which is not QUITE the same > thing as swing--more like an Irish fiddler's > "lilt"). I don't know what that latter style is (I'

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

On 17 Mar 2010 at 11:14, Darcy James Argue wrote: > The other, more fundamental, problem is a lack of emotional connection to > the beat, which is endemic in classical circles. It's changing -- the > generation of classically-trained players in their 20's and 30's is *much* > better about this, ju

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

At 11:14 AM -0400 3/17/10, Darcy James Argue wrote: Part of this is just a fundamental lack of respect for nonclassical music. All too true. In fact we have an influential minority on our own music faculty who feel exactly this way. Some will unbend for jazz (although they wouldn't want th

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

At 10:46 AM -0400 3/17/10, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Wed, March 17, 2010 7:16 am, dhbailey wrote: On the other hand, in my opinion, the reality of the situation is that string players can't swing because nobody's taught them how. Nobody's made them play swing music. It's not that they

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

At 7:16 AM -0400 3/17/10, dhbailey wrote: When I conducted a community orchestra, we were going to do a Sinatra medley, and as expected, the orchestra couldn't swing. I explained things and they began to get it but still weren't fully loosening up. Finally I simply brought in some recordi

Re: [Finale] Finale Preferences Tip (Mac)

Hi Randolph, Thank you - I used to do what you suggest all the time, but since I have refrained from resizing/shaping the tool pallet, the preferences hardly get corrupted, and I have stopped taking the trouble. I wonder if the tool pallet issue has been repaired, so I think I will do as you s

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

At 11:53 PM -0700 3/16/10, Mark D Lew wrote: On Mar 16, 2010, at 7:05 PM, John Howell wrote: Not at all, Jef. It's a plain fact that a number of pieces were once considered unplayable, until a new generation of players came along and took them up as a matter of course. I heard that Montever

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

Darcy, I'm leaving your response intact. It's a revelation -- thanks very much for this explanation. It makes great sense. (Even as a longtime nonpop composer, I've had a similar and deep longtime love of jazz -- my very first jazz album was Coltrane's "Ascension" ... yes, when it was brand new.

[Finale] Finale Preferences Tip (Mac)

Chuck Israels wrote in another thread: > I had re-built the prefs, but I may need to do it again, if only I could > remember where they are kept, so I could trash them! I know you already solved this, but I'll take the opportunity to pass out a useful tip about the preference file. 1) Many user

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

At 9:29 PM -0700 3/16/10, Michael Greensill wrote: > Now, after about 100 years, if we could just get string sections to learn how to swing.. "The difficult we do immediately. The impossibl

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

On 17 Mar 2010, at 10:46 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > This makes no sense to me. How could string players have missed this? Doesn't > everybody playing any instrument play at least a little pop or jazz -- even to > earn supplementary income -- if they were born after, say, 1930? No? Yes? Yes

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Wed, March 17, 2010 7:16 am, dhbailey wrote: On the other hand, in my opinion, the reality of the situation is that string players can't swing because nobody's taught them how. Nobody's made them play swing music. It's not that they can't, they just need to learn

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

On Wed, March 17, 2010 7:16 am, dhbailey wrote: > On the other hand, in my opinion, the reality of the > situation is that string players can't swing because > nobody's taught them how. Nobody's made them play swing > music. It's not that they can't, they just need to learn. This makes no sense

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Wed, March 17, 2010 12:29 am, Michael Greensill wrote: Now, after about 100 years, if we could just get string sections to learn how to swing.. [Coffee-Sputter] Maybe Dudamel will. I had one conductor explain to me that string players are so driven to be in

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Wed, March 17, 2010 12:29 am, Michael Greensill wrote: Now, after about 100 years, if we could just get string sections to learn how to swing.. [Coffee-Sputter] Maybe Dudamel will. I had one conductor explain to me that string players are so driven to be in

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

On Wed, March 17, 2010 12:29 am, Michael Greensill wrote: > Now, after about 100 years, if we could just get string sections to > learn how to swing.. [Coffee-Sputter] Maybe Dudamel will. I had one conductor explain to me that string players are so driven to be in tune and to play together th

Re: [Finale] composers and new effects

On Mar 16, 2010, at 7:05 PM, John Howell wrote: Not at all, Jef. It's a plain fact that a number of pieces were once considered unplayable, until a new generation of players came along and took them up as a matter of course. I heard that Monteverdi's string players griped when he asked th