[Finale] Chord symbol New Year
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[Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
So I've been asked to make some SmartMusic versions of some jazz band arrangements I did. However, I did them without a key signature, so when I play them back it sounds something like Schoenberg drunk meets Hindemith and collaborate on doing a remake of Sound Of Music in the style of a drunken Stravinsky who O.D.ed on too much Mahler..I mean, it grooves but it is OUT THERE. Is there a simple way to keep a score/parts transposed but have the key signature be nothing? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
Chromatic Transposition. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.comwrote: So I've been asked to make some SmartMusic versions of some jazz band arrangements I did. However, I did them without a key signature, so when I play them back it sounds something like Schoenberg drunk meets Hindemith and collaborate on doing a remake of Sound Of Music in the style of a drunken Stravinsky who O.D.ed on too much Mahler..I mean, it grooves but it is OUT THERE. Is there a simple way to keep a score/parts transposed but have the key signature be nothing? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
Chromatic Transposition? How is that going to help? So, if I have a jazz band score, that has something like 3 sharps in the Altos, and 2 in the trumpets, but that is not really what key everything is in, and I just want the accidentals next to the notes but I don't want a key signature AND I want Finale able to play it back correctly via GPO or Midi or whatever...how is Chromatic Transposition to help? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
Nevermind, I found how to do it here http://www.specialmillwork.com/finaletips/FHornNoKeySig.pdf ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
Staff Attributes - Transposition - Chromatic. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 1 Jan 2011, at 12:51 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: So I've been asked to make some SmartMusic versions of some jazz band arrangements I did. However, I did them without a key signature, so when I play them back it sounds something like Schoenberg drunk meets Hindemith and collaborate on doing a remake of Sound Of Music in the style of a drunken Stravinsky who O.D.ed on too much Mahler..I mean, it grooves but it is OUT THERE. Is there a simple way to keep a score/parts transposed but have the key signature be nothing? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Eric Dannewitz wrote: Is there a simple way to keep a score/parts transposed but have the key signature be nothing? One simple way is to uncheck Key signature in the list of items to display in the staff attribute dialog box, but this may be an option that must be chosen when one starts work on a chart, and may not be as convenient to apply after work on the score is significantly in progress. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
That's what Chromatic Transposition is for. Did you try it? On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.comwrote: Chromatic Transposition? How is that going to help? So, if I have a jazz band score, that has something like 3 sharps in the Altos, and 2 in the trumpets, but that is not really what key everything is in, and I just want the accidentals next to the notes but I don't want a key signature AND I want Finale able to play it back correctly via GPO or Midi or whatever...how is Chromatic Transposition to help? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
It helps by doing exactly what you want. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 1 Jan 2011, at 1:21 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Chromatic Transposition? How is that going to help? So, if I have a jazz band score, that has something like 3 sharps in the Altos, and 2 in the trumpets, but that is not really what key everything is in, and I just want the accidentals next to the notes but I don't want a key signature AND I want Finale able to play it back correctly via GPO or Midi or whatever...how is Chromatic Transposition to help? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
Actually, though your link is very useful if you only want SOME parts not to have key signatures, it is more complicated than you need if NO part in the score has a key signature. This is what you should do. Set the global key to C in your score (it probably already is, no sharps no flats). For a sax part, like alto sax, click the staff with the Staff Tool, hit Return to open up the Staff Attributes, and click on Transposition. You are probably set to Key Signature. Underneath that, select the Chromatic box. This makes the part transpose properly without changing the key from concert pitch. In 2010 up, it also transposes the chords correctly, but in previous versions it doesn't (you have to use Utilities...Change... to do that.) Done. Repeat for other transposing staves. Now, there are a few caveats. Darcy can probably quote exact things to watch out for, but sometimes there are issues with accidentals not appearing correctly (like a concert E nat might not always get its sharp when alto sax needs it to be C#, sometimes related to flipping enharmonics with the 9 key in Speedy) but if you just check it over, it should be fine. Christopher BTW, I came across a book of John Coltrane patterns for saxophone by a fellow with the same name as you. Is that you? It was very good! If it is, congratulations! On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 4:23 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Nevermind, I found how to do it here http://www.specialmillwork.com/finaletips/FHornNoKeySig.pdf ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
Darcy, You sent me a summary of the issues with accidentals when using Chromatic Transposition once a while ago, and I regret to say that I have misplaced it. For me (and so that I can check if it is still the case and thus harass MakeMusic about it) could you summarise again? Go ahead and send it to the list, because everyone should know this. I found a few issues, but I know you do most of your own pieces without key signatures, so you must know them all. Thanks, and have a great coming year! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
Finale correctly handles all accidentals if you use Chromatic Transposition, provided the piece as a whole does not have a key signature. If the piece as a whole does have a key signature, you should not be using Chromatic Transposition. There is a better way in that case. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Darcy, You sent me a summary of the issues with accidentals when using Chromatic Transposition once a while ago, and I regret to say that I have misplaced it. For me (and so that I can check if it is still the case and thus harass MakeMusic about it) could you summarise again? Go ahead and send it to the list, because everyone should know this. I found a few issues, but I know you do most of your own pieces without key signatures, so you must know them all. Thanks, and have a great coming year! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
No, Finale doesn't handle accidentals correctly on parts using Chromatic Transposition, especially if you have flipped accidentals with the 9 key in Speedy or run the Cautionary Accidentals plugin or try to Respell notes on a chromatically-transposed part. For those three I can give you chapter and verse on how to make those bugs show their ugly faces. Darcy probably knows more, which is why I asked him. Christopher On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 7:55 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: Finale correctly handles all accidentals if you use Chromatic Transposition, provided the piece as a whole does not have a key signature. If the piece as a whole does have a key signature, you should not be using Chromatic Transposition. There is a better way in that case. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Darcy, You sent me a summary of the issues with accidentals when using Chromatic Transposition once a while ago, and I regret to say that I have misplaced it. For me (and so that I can check if it is still the case and thus harass MakeMusic about it) could you summarise again? Go ahead and send it to the list, because everyone should know this. I found a few issues, but I know you do most of your own pieces without key signatures, so you must know them all. Thanks, and have a great coming year! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
You'll have to give me chapter and verse (provided the concert key of the piece is C maj) because I don't think you are right. In my experience Chromatic Transposition does not have any bugs that cause required accidentals either to be omitted or incorrect. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: No, Finale doesn't handle accidentals correctly on parts using Chromatic Transposition, especially if you have flipped accidentals with the 9 key in Speedy or run the Cautionary Accidentals plugin or try to Respell notes on a chromatically-transposed part. For those three I can give you chapter and verse on how to make those bugs show their ugly faces. Darcy probably knows more, which is why I asked him. Christopher On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 7:55 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: Finale correctly handles all accidentals if you use Chromatic Transposition, provided the piece as a whole does not have a key signature. If the piece as a whole does have a key signature, you should not be using Chromatic Transposition. There is a better way in that case. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Darcy, You sent me a summary of the issues with accidentals when using Chromatic Transposition once a while ago, and I regret to say that I have misplaced it. For me (and so that I can check if it is still the case and thus harass MakeMusic about it) could you summarise again? Go ahead and send it to the list, because everyone should know this. I found a few issues, but I know you do most of your own pieces without key signatures, so you must know them all. Thanks, and have a great coming year! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
Here's one. open a new file using the Setup Wizard. Add Bb clarinet. Switch to Display in Concert Pitch. Enter in the staff quarter notes (using Speedy) Eb, Db, Cb (you will have to flip this one with the 9 key, which is what causes the problem. If you DON'T flip it, the problem does not appear.) then Bb. I use Default spelling. My attached document called Test accidentals.mus shows it. Using the Staff Tool, change the transposition to Chromatic, and then turn off Display in Concert Pitch. Now go into the measure and try to force an accidental. I can get a natural on the F (concert Eb), but strangely, as I do so, a natural appears on the C as well, even though I didn't touch it yet, and ONLY WHILE THE FRAME IS open. When I close the frame the natural on the C disappears, but the spacing acts as if there WAS still a natural there. Going in and out of the frame causes some cautionaries to appear, then disappear when I exit. Now no matter what I do, I can't get the C to force appearance of a natural. Apparently, depending on when I flip the B to Cb and what the rhythm in the measure is, some note may end up not being able to take an accidental. The procedure I described reveals the bug every time, even after a restart. The way around it is to enter the C as a natural, then hit the - key to lower it. This means I don't hear the correct pitch, and every accidental costs me an extra keystroke. To re-pitch a note, I have to do same thing; I can't just hit the 9 key because that might cause problems. I'm checking the Cautionary Accidentals Plugin one right now, but apparently they have either corrected the Respell problem or I am not invoking it the way I did before. I'll get back to you (or Darcy will. Like I said, he does this more than I do, so he should be up on it more.) Christopher On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 10:03 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: You'll have to give me chapter and verse (provided the concert key of the piece is C maj) because I don't think you are right. In my experience Chromatic Transposition does not have any bugs that cause required accidentals either to be omitted or incorrect. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: No, Finale doesn't handle accidentals correctly on parts using Chromatic Transposition, especially if you have flipped accidentals with the 9 key in Speedy or run the Cautionary Accidentals plugin or try to Respell notes on a chromatically-transposed part. For those three I can give you chapter and verse on how to make those bugs show their ugly faces. Darcy probably knows more, which is why I asked him. Christopher On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 7:55 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: Finale correctly handles all accidentals if you use Chromatic Transposition, provided the piece as a whole does not have a key signature. If the piece as a whole does have a key signature, you should not be using Chromatic Transposition. There is a better way in that case. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Darcy, You sent me a summary of the issues with accidentals when using Chromatic Transposition once a while ago, and I regret to say that I have misplaced it. For me (and so that I can check if it is still the case and thus harass MakeMusic about it) could you summarise again? Go ahead and send it to the list, because everyone should know this. I found a few issues, but I know you do most of your own pieces without key signatures, so you must know them all. Thanks, and have a great coming year! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
Since the introduction of Finale 2007, I *never* use the 9 key to enharmonic flip. I *always* use the +/- keys for notes like Cb. I do not see this as a bug with Chromatic Transposition per se, but rather with the Speedy 9 key. In F07 they fixed a whole bunch of stuff that wasn't broken, Speedy 9 being one of them, and I won't touch Speedy 9 since then. What I thought you meant was an error where an accidental that should be there was missing or if an incorrect accidental appeared. This is pitfall with the Hide Key Signature approach that some people used in the old days. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Here's one. open a new file using the Setup Wizard. Add Bb clarinet. Switch to Display in Concert Pitch. Enter in the staff quarter notes (using Speedy) Eb, Db, Cb (you will have to flip this one with the 9 key, which is what causes the problem. If you DON'T flip it, the problem does not appear.) then Bb. I use Default spelling. My attached document called Test accidentals.mus shows it. Using the Staff Tool, change the transposition to Chromatic, and then turn off Display in Concert Pitch. Now go into the measure and try to force an accidental. I can get a natural on the F (concert Eb), but strangely, as I do so, a natural appears on the C as well, even though I didn't touch it yet, and ONLY WHILE THE FRAME IS open. When I close the frame the natural on the C disappears, but the spacing acts as if there WAS still a natural there. Going in and out of the frame causes some cautionaries to appear, then disappear when I exit. Now no matter what I do, I can't get the C to force appearance of a natural. Apparently, depending on when I flip the B to Cb and what the rhythm in the measure is, some note may end up not being able to take an accidental. The procedure I described reveals the bug every time, even after a restart. The way around it is to enter the C as a natural, then hit the - key to lower it. This means I don't hear the correct pitch, and every accidental costs me an extra keystroke. To re-pitch a note, I have to do same thing; I can't just hit the 9 key because that might cause problems. I'm checking the Cautionary Accidentals Plugin one right now, but apparently they have either corrected the Respell problem or I am not invoking it the way I did before. I'll get back to you (or Darcy will. Like I said, he does this more than I do, so he should be up on it more.) Christopher On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 10:03 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: You'll have to give me chapter and verse (provided the concert key of the piece is C maj) because I don't think you are right. In my experience Chromatic Transposition does not have any bugs that cause required accidentals either to be omitted or incorrect. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: No, Finale doesn't handle accidentals correctly on parts using Chromatic Transposition, especially if you have flipped accidentals with the 9 key in Speedy or run the Cautionary Accidentals plugin or try to Respell notes on a chromatically-transposed part. For those three I can give you chapter and verse on how to make those bugs show their ugly faces. Darcy probably knows more, which is why I asked him. Christopher On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 7:55 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: Finale correctly handles all accidentals if you use Chromatic Transposition, provided the piece as a whole does not have a key signature. If the piece as a whole does have a key signature, you should not be using Chromatic Transposition. There is a better way in that case. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Darcy, You sent me a summary of the issues with accidentals when using Chromatic Transposition once a while ago, and I regret to say that I have misplaced it. For me (and so that I can check if it is still the case and thus harass MakeMusic about it) could you summarise again? Go ahead and send it to the list, because everyone should know this. I found a few issues, but I know you do most of your own pieces without key signatures, so you must know them all. Thanks, and have a great coming year! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
You may identify it as Speedy 9-flip bug (as do I!) but there it is, manifesting itself when using Chromatic Transposition. It doesn't manifest itself (in this particular way!) when the part uses normal transposition, so I would say it is indeed a Chromatic Transposition issue. One needs to watch for it when using Chromatic Transposition. Christopher On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 11:21 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: Since the introduction of Finale 2007, I *never* use the 9 key to enharmonic flip. I *always* use the +/- keys for notes like Cb. I do not see this as a bug with Chromatic Transposition per se, but rather with the Speedy 9 key. In F07 they fixed a whole bunch of stuff that wasn't broken, Speedy 9 being one of them, and I won't touch Speedy 9 since then. What I thought you meant was an error where an accidental that should be there was missing or if an incorrect accidental appeared. This is pitfall with the Hide Key Signature approach that some people used in the old days. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Here's one. open a new file using the Setup Wizard. Add Bb clarinet. Switch to Display in Concert Pitch. Enter in the staff quarter notes (using Speedy) Eb, Db, Cb (you will have to flip this one with the 9 key, which is what causes the problem. If you DON'T flip it, the problem does not appear.) then Bb. I use Default spelling. My attached document called Test accidentals.mus shows it. Using the Staff Tool, change the transposition to Chromatic, and then turn off Display in Concert Pitch. Now go into the measure and try to force an accidental. I can get a natural on the F (concert Eb), but strangely, as I do so, a natural appears on the C as well, even though I didn't touch it yet, and ONLY WHILE THE FRAME IS open. When I close the frame the natural on the C disappears, but the spacing acts as if there WAS still a natural there. Going in and out of the frame causes some cautionaries to appear, then disappear when I exit. Now no matter what I do, I can't get the C to force appearance of a natural. Apparently, depending on when I flip the B to Cb and what the rhythm in the measure is, some note may end up not being able to take an accidental. The procedure I described reveals the bug every time, even after a restart. The way around it is to enter the C as a natural, then hit the - key to lower it. This means I don't hear the correct pitch, and every accidental costs me an extra keystroke. To re-pitch a note, I have to do same thing; I can't just hit the 9 key because that might cause problems. I'm checking the Cautionary Accidentals Plugin one right now, but apparently they have either corrected the Respell problem or I am not invoking it the way I did before. I'll get back to you (or Darcy will. Like I said, he does this more than I do, so he should be up on it more.) Christopher On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 10:03 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: You'll have to give me chapter and verse (provided the concert key of the piece is C maj) because I don't think you are right. In my experience Chromatic Transposition does not have any bugs that cause required accidentals either to be omitted or incorrect. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: No, Finale doesn't handle accidentals correctly on parts using Chromatic Transposition, especially if you have flipped accidentals with the 9 key in Speedy or run the Cautionary Accidentals plugin or try to Respell notes on a chromatically-transposed part. For those three I can give you chapter and verse on how to make those bugs show their ugly faces. Darcy probably knows more, which is why I asked him. Christopher On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 7:55 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: Finale correctly handles all accidentals if you use Chromatic Transposition, provided the piece as a whole does not have a key signature. If the piece as a whole does have a key signature, you should not be using Chromatic Transposition. There is a better way in that case. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Darcy, You sent me a summary of the issues with accidentals when using Chromatic Transposition once a while ago, and I regret to say that I have misplaced it. For me (and so that I can check if it is still the case and thus harass MakeMusic about it) could you summarise again? Go ahead and send it to the list, because everyone should know this. I found a few issues, but I know you do most of your own pieces without key signatures, so you must know them all. Thanks, and have a great coming year! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
True, but I believe there continue to be other issues with speedy-9 as well, unrelated to transposition, so avoiding it is good policy. And if you avoid it, then (along with other issues) you want have any problems with C.T. Right? On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: You may identify it as Speedy 9-flip bug (as do I!) but there it is, manifesting itself when using Chromatic Transposition. It doesn't manifest itself (in this particular way!) when the part uses normal transposition, so I would say it is indeed a Chromatic Transposition issue. One needs to watch for it when using Chromatic Transposition. Christopher On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 11:21 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: Since the introduction of Finale 2007, I *never* use the 9 key to enharmonic flip. I *always* use the +/- keys for notes like Cb. I do not see this as a bug with Chromatic Transposition per se, but rather with the Speedy 9 key. In F07 they fixed a whole bunch of stuff that wasn't broken, Speedy 9 being one of them, and I won't touch Speedy 9 since then. What I thought you meant was an error where an accidental that should be there was missing or if an incorrect accidental appeared. This is pitfall with the Hide Key Signature approach that some people used in the old days. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Here's one. open a new file using the Setup Wizard. Add Bb clarinet. Switch to Display in Concert Pitch. Enter in the staff quarter notes (using Speedy) Eb, Db, Cb (you will have to flip this one with the 9 key, which is what causes the problem. If you DON'T flip it, the problem does not appear.) then Bb. I use Default spelling. My attached document called Test accidentals.mus shows it. Using the Staff Tool, change the transposition to Chromatic, and then turn off Display in Concert Pitch. Now go into the measure and try to force an accidental. I can get a natural on the F (concert Eb), but strangely, as I do so, a natural appears on the C as well, even though I didn't touch it yet, and ONLY WHILE THE FRAME IS open. When I close the frame the natural on the C disappears, but the spacing acts as if there WAS still a natural there. Going in and out of the frame causes some cautionaries to appear, then disappear when I exit. Now no matter what I do, I can't get the C to force appearance of a natural. Apparently, depending on when I flip the B to Cb and what the rhythm in the measure is, some note may end up not being able to take an accidental. The procedure I described reveals the bug every time, even after a restart. The way around it is to enter the C as a natural, then hit the - key to lower it. This means I don't hear the correct pitch, and every accidental costs me an extra keystroke. To re-pitch a note, I have to do same thing; I can't just hit the 9 key because that might cause problems. I'm checking the Cautionary Accidentals Plugin one right now, but apparently they have either corrected the Respell problem or I am not invoking it the way I did before. I'll get back to you (or Darcy will. Like I said, he does this more than I do, so he should be up on it more.) Christopher On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 10:03 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: You'll have to give me chapter and verse (provided the concert key of the piece is C maj) because I don't think you are right. In my experience Chromatic Transposition does not have any bugs that cause required accidentals either to be omitted or incorrect. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: No, Finale doesn't handle accidentals correctly on parts using Chromatic Transposition, especially if you have flipped accidentals with the 9 key in Speedy or run the Cautionary Accidentals plugin or try to Respell notes on a chromatically-transposed part. For those three I can give you chapter and verse on how to make those bugs show their ugly faces. Darcy probably knows more, which is why I asked him. Christopher On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 7:55 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: Finale correctly handles all accidentals if you use Chromatic Transposition, provided the piece as a whole does not have a key signature. If the piece as a whole does have a key signature, you should not be using Chromatic Transposition. There is a better way in that case. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Darcy, You sent me a summary of the issues with accidentals when using Chromatic Transposition once a while ago, and I regret to say that I have misplaced it. For me (and so that I can check if it is still the case and thus harass MakeMusic about it) could you summarise again? Go
Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability
Hi Chris, I don't have the email and I don't recall exactly what the issues were -- but the issues have all changed since the introduction of linked parts, so most of what I said is probably obsolete now. The biggest issue is that I have learned by experience never to use the 9 key to flip enharmonic, which is not reliable. I always use my iKey shortcuts for Favor Flats or Favor Sharps before entering the notes so that the accidentals are correct the first time. The other significant annoyance is that the * key to show/hide accidentals does not always work with staves set to Chromatic Transposition, so I have to rely on the Cautionary Accidentals plugin to create courtesy naturals -- forcing them to appear does not always work reliably. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 1 Jan 2011, at 3:08 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Darcy, You sent me a summary of the issues with accidentals when using Chromatic Transposition once a while ago, and I regret to say that I have misplaced it. For me (and so that I can check if it is still the case and thus harass MakeMusic about it) could you summarise again? Go ahead and send it to the list, because everyone should know this. I found a few issues, but I know you do most of your own pieces without key signatures, so you must know them all. Thanks, and have a great coming year! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hi Robert, Chromatic Transposition is still a bit buggy, especially when using Staff Styles (for woodwind doubles, for instance) rather than Staff Attributes. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 1 Jan 2011, at 4:55 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: Finale correctly handles all accidentals if you use Chromatic Transposition, provided the piece as a whole does not have a key signature. If the piece as a whole does have a key signature, you should not be using Chromatic Transposition. There is a better way in that case. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Darcy, You sent me a summary of the issues with accidentals when using Chromatic Transposition once a while ago, and I regret to say that I have misplaced it. For me (and so that I can check if it is still the case and thus harass MakeMusic about it) could you summarise again? Go ahead and send it to the list, because everyone should know this. I found a few issues, but I know you do most of your own pieces without key signatures, so you must know them all. Thanks, and have a great coming year! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Thanks, Robert, no need to reply, I found your earlier post: I sent a similar reply a while back, but I never saw it come thru. For music without a key sig, use Chromatic Transposition. For must with a key sig. use standard Transposition as follows: 1. Set the horn staves to Independent Key Signature. 2. Set the horn staves to F Transposition. 3. Set the key signature of the Horn staves to F Major throughout, irrespective of the true key(s) of the piece. That will do it. Rafael Leonardo Junchaya :rjunch...@yahoo.com http://www.myspace.com/rjunchaya +358 452791949 De: Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com Para: finale@shsu.edu Enviado: dom, enero 2, 2011 2:55:13 AM Asunto: Re: [Finale] No key signature yet keep playback ability Finale correctly handles all accidentals if you use Chromatic Transposition, provided the piece as a whole does not have a key signature. If the piece as a whole does have a key signature, you should not be using Chromatic Transposition. There is a better way in that case. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Darcy, You sent me a summary of the issues with accidentals when using Chromatic Transposition once a while ago, and I regret to say that I have misplaced it. For me (and so that I can check if it is still the case and thus harass MakeMusic about it) could you summarise again? Go ahead and send it to the list, because everyone should know this. I found a few issues, but I know you do most of your own pieces without key signatures, so you must know them all. Thanks, and have a great coming year! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
