Re: [Finale] transposing percussion instruments
On 2012-10-09 02:03, Ryan wrote: on a staff using percussion maps: I enter a passage for bass drum, including all articulations, rolls, etc. But then I realize it should have been for snare drum, or Tom, or Triangle, or whatever. Is it possible to transpose that passage for a different instrument and have it appear properly as defined in your percussion map? (I say transpose because I'm equating it to how Finale handles pitches on the staff...) It would be great if there were a mass-mover/edit command that could do this, rather than having to re-enter the passage. If you have a recent version of Finale, you can kind of do this manually with JW Kitchen Department (make sure you have the latest version) and JW Change Pitches. With Kitchen Department you can get the note names mapped to both the old and new staff layouts (stretch out the window vertically and make a screen shot print). With Change Pitches you can then do the pitch replacements between new and old. Not an optimal solution, but it should work if you just use 4-5 percussion notes... Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] transposing percussion instruments
Ryan, Discard my previous reply. The feature you're looking for is Utilities/Transpose Percussion Notes Best regards, Jari Williamsson On 2012-10-09 10:02, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2012-10-09 02:03, Ryan wrote: on a staff using percussion maps: I enter a passage for bass drum, including all articulations, rolls, etc. But then I realize it should have been for snare drum, or Tom, or Triangle, or whatever. Is it possible to transpose that passage for a different instrument and have it appear properly as defined in your percussion map? (I say transpose because I'm equating it to how Finale handles pitches on the staff...) It would be great if there were a mass-mover/edit command that could do this, rather than having to re-enter the passage. If you have a recent version of Finale, you can kind of do this manually with JW Kitchen Department (make sure you have the latest version) and JW Change Pitches. With Kitchen Department you can get the note names mapped to both the old and new staff layouts (stretch out the window vertically and make a screen shot print). With Change Pitches you can then do the pitch replacements between new and old. Not an optimal solution, but it should work if you just use 4-5 percussion notes... Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Clef after barline at beginning of piece
I'm working on an 19th century piece that uses a convention that, for example, if a cello starts the piece in tenor clef, it shows bass clef, key sig, time sig, then a small tenor clef. I cannot figure out how to get Finale to do this. When I click Place Clef After Barline on a small clef change, it shows where I want it, but it also changes the beginning clef to tenor, defeating the purpose. I know I can do some kind of elaborate workaround with staff styles and expressions, but does anyone know a way to make the actual clef tool work this way? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] retaining clef if cues at start are in a different one
Is it possible (in a cello part for example) to retain the bass clef when there is a violin cue in treble clef at the start of the piece? When I try this, it changes the opening clef to a treble clef. Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] retaining clef if cues at start are in a different one
I just posted this exact same question, but without waiting for a reply started in on workarounds. It's not so terribly bad. You can put a fake clef on the first note as expression (along with hidden transpositions for playback if needed). Then put in a real clef change on the next note but check the Show Never option in the clef definition dialog. As workarounds go it isn't so bad. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.comwrote: Is it possible (in a cello part for example) to retain the bass clef when there is a violin cue in treble clef at the start of the piece? When I try this, it changes the opening clef to a treble clef. Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] retaining clef if cues at start are in a different one
Thanks Robert, Sorry, I didn't understand your question as being the same (I'm at home ill so I'm not really with it! ) - it was reading yours that prompted me to ask mine. Cheers, Lawrence On 9 October 2012 15:19, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.comwrote: I just posted this exact same question, but without waiting for a reply started in on workarounds. It's not so terribly bad. You can put a fake clef on the first note as expression (along with hidden transpositions for playback if needed). Then put in a real clef change on the next note but check the Show Never option in the clef definition dialog. As workarounds go it isn't so bad. -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Clef after barline at beginning of piece
My kludge: Put tenor clef in second bar. Remove barline from first bar. Set pick up measure to 30EDU Steve P. On 9 Oct 2012, at 15:04, Robert Patterson wrote: I'm working on an 19th century piece that uses a convention that, for example, if a cello starts the piece in tenor clef, it shows bass clef, key sig, time sig, then a small tenor clef. I cannot figure out how to get Finale to do this. When I click Place Clef After Barline on a small clef change, it shows where I want it, but it also changes the beginning clef to tenor, defeating the purpose. I know I can do some kind of elaborate workaround with staff styles and expressions, but does anyone know a way to make the actual clef tool work this way? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Caps Lock Speedy-Dotted Notes
Hi Robert, Was wondering if you found out anything more on this from MM. I have a recollection of doing this a long time ago in who-knows-what version, and was surprised that the feature is (apparently) unavailable. I have this nagging feeling that there was some extra, slightly non-intuitive step, albeit minor, that I'm forgetting, and that maybe it can still be done. If so, my experimentation hasn't been able to find it. Don Hart On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote: Does anyone know if it is possible to set a dotted note value for caps-lock speedy entry? Tuplet values are possible, but I haven't been able to figure out a way to do dots, which means I have to hit the . key after every note, defeating (most of) the usefulness of caps-lock. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Hairpins and different time sigs
Hi all, Anyone know if F2012 has fixed the problem with hairpins not stretching properly with independent time signatures? Still trying to scrape together pennies for the upgrade (been a rough year) and wonder if, based on the number of complaints and changes, F2012 is a good upgrade. I compose into it for a lot of pieces, so preparing a score template ahead of time doesn't usually happen. A lot of instrument changes, inserted material, time sig swaps, etc. Anyway, the real question is those darn hairpins. I've run into it again where I can't stretch them across the full range. Dragging will stop, will appear differently in page view, and using the arrows will cause them to go backwards. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] retaining clef if cues at start are in a different one
Ah.. same answer as to Robert. Steve P. On 9 Oct 2012, at 15:16, Lawrence Yates wrote: Is it possible (in a cello part for example) to retain the bass clef when there is a violin cue in treble clef at the start of the piece? When I try this, it changes the opening clef to a treble clef. Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hairpins and different time sigs
No, it hasn't been fixed. It has been there for quite a while, as I recall. There is a work-around, which is to enter the hairpin in another staff that doesn't have an independent time signature, and copy it. You'll need the 2012c update, though, because in the b update measure-attached smart shapes don't copy. Urg. Christopher - Original Message - From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com Date: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:50 pm Subject: [Finale] Hairpins and different time sigs To: finale@shsu.edu Hi all, Anyone know if F2012 has fixed the problem with hairpins not stretchingproperly with independent time signatures? Still trying to scrape together pennies for the upgrade (been a rough year) and wonder if, based on the number of complaints and changes, F2012 is a good upgrade. I compose into it for a lot of pieces, so preparing a score template ahead of time doesn't usually happen. A lot of instrument changes, inserted material, time sig swaps, etc. Anyway, the real question is those darn hairpins. I've run into it again where I can't stretch them across the full range. Dragging will stop, will appear differently in page view, and using the arrows will cause them to go backwards. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hairpins and different time sigs
On 2012-10-09 18:23, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Anyone know if F2012 has fixed the problem with hairpins not stretching properly with independent time signatures? There is no change there. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hairpins and different time sigs
On Tue, October 9, 2012 2:11 pm, christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: No, it hasn't been fixed. It has been there for quite a while, as I recall. Boo. There is a work-around, which is to enter the hairpin in another staff that doesn't have an independent time signature, and copy it. You'll need the 2012c update, though, because in the b update measure-attached smart shapes don't copy. Urg. They all have independent time sigs. There's no 2011c for Windows. I assume it didn't have the copy bug (I haven't done a score that needed identical hairpins in different parts, so haven't tried it.) D ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hairpins and different time sigs
On Tue, October 9, 2012 2:11 pm, christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: There is a work-around, which is to enter the hairpin in another staff that doesn't have an independent time signature, and copy it. This doesn't work. As soon as you move the hairpin at all (mouse drag or arrow nudge, even vertically), it jumps back to the incorrect length. It would have to be exactly re-aligned for each target staff before copying it. I may have to go with a non-playback version using shape designer, assuming that will stretch correctly. Thanks for the help (and Jari as well). D ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hairpins and different time sigs
Hi Dennis, So, add a new scratch staff that does not have independent time sigs, right? Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Oct 9, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: They all have independent time sigs. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hairpins and different time sigs
On Tue, October 9, 2012 3:34 pm, Darcy James Argue wrote: So, add a new scratch staff that does not have independent time sigs, right? Seems reasonable, except for the alignment issue. If I touch any of them afterwards, they snap back to their bizarre condition. The scratch staff would have to be hidden, meaning re-create, re-copy, delete and repeat for every hairpin. Maybe this would work: Create the hairpin where it should be, copy it to the scratch staff (which would maintain its vertical position), relengthen it, and copy it back. Gonna try that. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hairpins and different time sigs
Hi Dennis, You can also hide and/or show the scratch staff as needed with the Collapse staff style -- no need to delete/re-create, etc. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: On Tue, October 9, 2012 3:34 pm, Darcy James Argue wrote: So, add a new scratch staff that does not have independent time sigs, right? Seems reasonable, except for the alignment issue. If I touch any of them afterwards, they snap back to their bizarre condition. The scratch staff would have to be hidden, meaning re-create, re-copy, delete and repeat for every hairpin. Maybe this would work: Create the hairpin where it should be, copy it to the scratch staff (which would maintain its vertical position), relengthen it, and copy it back. Gonna try that. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hairpins and different time sigs
On Tue, October 9, 2012 5:46 pm, Darcy James Argue wrote: You can also hide and/or show the scratch staff as needed with the Collapse staff style -- no need to delete/re-create, etc. That sounds ideal ... but I don't see it in the Finale 2011 predefined styles. Does it use F2012 features, or do you have specifications for it that I can implement in 2011? Thanks! Making dinner now... (By the way, this is for a piece I just finished -- harp percussion -- that's being premiered in Reykjavik on November 25.) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hairpins and different time sigs
I have worked around this problem for years by having the independent time sigs actually be the same underlying time sig, just displaying as different. Then I enter exactly one invisible tuplet at beginning of each bar that contains music. With my Mass Copy plugin, I can copy that tuplet to every other bar that needs it with little effort. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: On Tue, October 9, 2012 5:46 pm, Darcy James Argue wrote: You can also hide and/or show the scratch staff as needed with the Collapse staff style -- no need to delete/re-create, etc. That sounds ideal ... but I don't see it in the Finale 2011 predefined styles. Does it use F2012 features, or do you have specifications for it that I can implement in 2011? Thanks! Making dinner now... (By the way, this is for a piece I just finished -- harp percussion -- that's being premiered in Reykjavik on November 25.) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hairpins and different time sigs
Hi Dennis, It is actually in the Finale 2011 default file, but you probably aren't basing your documents on the default file. Just create it yourself by defining a new staff style that uses the Force Hide Staff option (it's in between Flat Beams and Ignore Key Signatures). Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Oct 9, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: On Tue, October 9, 2012 5:46 pm, Darcy James Argue wrote: You can also hide and/or show the scratch staff as needed with the Collapse staff style -- no need to delete/re-create, etc. That sounds ideal ... but I don't see it in the Finale 2011 predefined styles. Does it use F2012 features, or do you have specifications for it that I can implement in 2011? Thanks! Making dinner now... (By the way, this is for a piece I just finished -- harp percussion -- that's being premiered in Reykjavik on November 25.) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hairpins and different time sigs
On Tue, October 9, 2012 7:00 pm, Robert Patterson wrote: I have worked around this problem for years by having the independent time sigs actually be the same underlying time sig, just displaying as different. Then I enter exactly one invisible tuplet at beginning of each bar that contains music. With my Mass Copy plugin, I can copy that tuplet to every other bar that needs it with little effort. That works for something already composed, but I mentioned in an earlier post that I do most of my notey composition directly into Finale -- including this piece. These kinds of workarounds are hopeless to try to keep in mind when actually creating the stuff. In some passages in this piece, the (hidden) time sigs are changing every bar. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hairpins and different time sigs
On Tue, October 9, 2012 7:13 pm, Darcy James Argue wrote: It is actually in the Finale 2011 default file, but you probably aren't basing your documents on the default file. Just create it yourself by defining a new staff style that uses the Force Hide Staff option (it's in between Flat Beams and Ignore Key Signatures). Yes, I saw that and gave it a quick try, but it didn't collapse the space between staves. I perhaps mistakenly assumed that if I put the scratch staff at the bottom, it would be invisible but still take up space. Thanks again... onward to try to make this thing look a little better. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hairpins and different time sigs
Hi Dennis, It should actually collapse the space between staves (make sure you are selecting the entire system). Although you are correct that if you collapse the bottom staff, it will take up space. You can use cutaway instead of collapse if you do want the hidden staves to take up space. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: On Tue, October 9, 2012 7:13 pm, Darcy James Argue wrote: It is actually in the Finale 2011 default file, but you probably aren't basing your documents on the default file. Just create it yourself by defining a new staff style that uses the Force Hide Staff option (it's in between Flat Beams and Ignore Key Signatures). Yes, I saw that and gave it a quick try, but it didn't collapse the space between staves. I perhaps mistakenly assumed that if I put the scratch staff at the bottom, it would be invisible but still take up space. Thanks again... onward to try to make this thing look a little better. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
