Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

2017-07-15 Thread Michael Meyer
Jef — If I’m understanding the issue clearly, my suggestion would be to use whichever transposition keeps the notated keyboard part in the same written key as the piano. Keyboard and piano are the same performer, no? Then to me that would be easiest for the player. Keeping it in the same key a

Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

2017-07-15 Thread SN jef chippewa
it is notated indeed transposed and that is part of the issue, but not from the traditional standpoint. i can choose to transpose the keyboard up or down, meaning a G3/4# in the score appears in the part as: 1) A when the electronic keyboard is tuned down a quarter tone 2) G# when the electron

Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

2017-07-15 Thread Dave Lang
Sorry I just don't understand why you don't treat it like a transposing instrument and just notate it as you would a trumpet or alto sax? > it is indeed bought tuned down. > > the question is notation-related, has nothing to do with playback. > > i'm trying to decide what is best in this contex

Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

2017-07-15 Thread SN jef chippewa
it is indeed bought tuned down. the question is notation-related, has nothing to do with playback. i'm trying to decide what is best in this context, so was wondering if anyone else here has ever notated for 1/4-tone electronic instruments and if there is any dis/advantage to transposing up vs

Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

2017-07-15 Thread Dave Lang
Sorry - I understand your question! I just don't understand what the notation issue is unless it's related to playback in Finale? cheers dave > On Jul 15, 2017, at 3:00 AM, Ryszard Pusz > wrote: > > Perhaps my question was misleading. While it is possible to get a tuner to > tune a vibrapho

Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

2017-07-15 Thread Ryszard Pusz
Perhaps my question was misleading. While it is possible to get a tuner to tune a vibraphone up or down a quarter tone, Jef's statement (it comes that way) implied to me that the instrument was bought at that tuning and I was wondering if this was in fact the case. Ryszard On 15/07/2017, at 12

Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

2017-07-14 Thread Dave Lang
I might just not understand what the issue is here, but I don't understand what the issue is here. >>> No suggestions, sorry, but how do you get a vibraphone tuned down a >>> quarter tone? >> >> haha yeah maybe that wasn't clear, it comes that way, so actually >> tuned 1/4 lower than standard

Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

2017-07-14 Thread Ryszard Pusz
Hi Jef, No suggestion for you, but I am curious. Who makes vibes 1/4 tone lower? Or was this a special tuning just for that one instrument? Ryszard ___ On 15/07/2017, at 2:35 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: > >> No suggestions, sorry, but how do you get a vibraphone tuned down a >> quarter ton

Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

2017-07-14 Thread SN jef chippewa
yeah you are right, but this is a trio, not an ensemble or orchestral work. the part will be written in half-tones (natural, sharps). the question is whether there is any other factor than consistency (e.g., 1/4-tone vibe and keyboard both transpose down) -- perhaps similitude is a more appro

Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

2017-07-14 Thread SN jef chippewa
mmm, i assume you mean in the part. yeah the part will be "normal" (no 1/4 tones), but my question is about something else :-) >my guess would be, once it is established that the instrument is a >quarter tone detuned, normal notation would work the best. -- neueweise -- fonts for new music

Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

2017-07-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Fri, July 14, 2017 3:30 pm, Raymond Horton wrote: > my guess would be, once it is established that the instrument is a quarter > tone detuned, normal notation would work the best. I agree with this, and would just consider it a transposing instrument. Dennis

Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

2017-07-14 Thread Raymond Horton
my guess would be, once it is established that the instrument is a quarter tone detuned, normal notation would work the best. On Jul 14, 2017 3:12 PM, "Michael Lawlor" wrote: > Consistency? I think that's irrelevant; after all, in a regular > orchestra there are instruments in different keys, t

Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

2017-07-14 Thread Michael Lawlor
Consistency? I think that's irrelevant; after all, in a regular orchestra there are instruments in different keys, the transposing instruments are not all in Bb, but since it is an electronic instrument that is being retuned, there is no problem with strings snapping so I think the decisive fa

Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

2017-07-14 Thread SN jef chippewa
>No suggestions, sorry, but how do you get a vibraphone tuned down a >quarter tone? haha yeah maybe that wasn't clear, it comes that way, so actually tuned 1/4 lower than standard vibes however, if you prefer it to be tuned higher, all you need is a file and a lot of elbow grease ;-) -- ne

Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

2017-07-14 Thread Raymond Horton
No suggestions, sorry, but how do you get a vibraphone tuned down a quarter tone? On Jul 14, 2017 12:05 PM, "SN jef chippewa" wrote: > > anyone have any preferences or suggestions about whether to transpose > up or down? > > the musician plays piano as well as keyboard (most likely sitting on > t

[Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

2017-07-14 Thread SN jef chippewa
anyone have any preferences or suggestions about whether to transpose up or down? the musician plays piano as well as keyboard (most likely sitting on the piano), the keyboard is tuned 1/4 tone away from the piano. keyboard in the score is notated using 1/4 and 3/4 sharps (1/4 flats used only