[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With all of the hoopla about no saxes in GPO, If I remember correctly
the Kontakt player that will be part of Finale 2006 will be able to load
any NI Samples. Since the sounds that ship with Sibelius play thru
their Kompakt player, I wonder if the Sibelius sounds will
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> With all of the hoopla about no saxes in GPO, If I
> remember correctly the
> Kontakt player that will be part of Finale 2006 will
> be able to load any NI
> Samples. Since the sounds that ship with Sibelius
> play thru their Kompakt player,
> I wonder if the
With all of the hoopla about no saxes in GPO, If I remember correctly the Kontakt player that will be part of Finale 2006 will be able to load any NI Samples. Since the sounds that ship with Sibelius play thru their Kompakt player, I wonder if the Sibelius sounds will show up as an option in Fina
--- Lon Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jul 15, 2005, at 2:07 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
>
> > You have to suspend disbelief in order to accept
> any of these
> > sounds. They only remotely resemble the sound of
> the instruments
> > they represent. I'd like saxophones too, but whe
On Jul 15, 2005, at 3:18 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:Lon, GPO Jazz/Big Band will have the full range of saxophones, from sopranino through sub-contrabass, and including C-melody and mezzo-soprano saxes. (Personally, I think that's overkill, but this sounds like something you'd want to pick up.)
On Jul 15, 2005, at 2:07 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:You have to suspend disbelief in order to accept any of these sounds. They only remotely resemble the sound of the instruments they represent. I'd like saxophones too, but when they come, they won't sound real anyway. For me, it's not that much of
On 15 Jul 2005, at 6:11 PM, Lon Price wrote:
Being a sax player myself, I find this thread well, amusing. But
seriously, there's not much out there in sample library that
comes even close to covering saxophones. The Vienna Library saxes
($265 at Sweetwater) have only tenor and soprano--no a
Being a sax player myself, I find this thread well, amusing. But seriously, there's not much out there in sample library that comes even close to covering saxophones. The Vienna Library saxes ($265 at Sweetwater) have only tenor and soprano--no alto or bari even. Forget C-melody, bass, contraba
ok, I think I'm beginning to get the picture, though my inexperience in
this area blurs the concept considerably. For example, if I were to
purchase GPO, and create a fin file, I don't even understand how those
wonderful GPO sounds would become my mode of playback, with my present
system. I'
On Jul 15, 2005, at 12:27 PM, dhbailey wrote:Neither is better in my estimation -- imagine sending a recording of a work you want published or performed to a potential publisher or director and having to explain that it's not actually a realistic sound becaue those extra clarinet or bassoon sounds
Darcy James Argue wrote:
[snip]>
Now, imagine sending a recording of a work you want published or
performed to a potential publisher or director and having to explain
that due to software limitations, the recording only includes 8
simultaneous instruments!
I wouldn't do that, either. :-)
Tyler Turner wrote:
[snip]>
You're reading too much into Phil's response. The guy
apparently screwed up and didn't really understand
your question. With each new release, the support
starts getting mauled with more questions, and it
wouldn't surprise me if he's been working a lot of
overtime (pr
On 15 Jul 2005 at 13:37, John Howell wrote:
> At 10:21 AM -0700 7/15/05, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
> >*tongue in cheek* Yeah, but when it does come out, it will have all
> >those useful saxes like Contrabass, and C melody. Woohoo!
> >
> >
> >Darcy James Argue wrote:
> >
> >>David, no offense, but how
--- Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 15 Jul 2005, at 2:32 PM, dhbailey wrote:
>
> > Your point being? Yes they do include those
> instruments. but if the
> > playback can't include the sax section, how will a
> reasonable
> > rendition of a band work be made?
>
> (A) With
On 15 Jul 2005 at 13:03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
> On 15 Jul 2005, at 6:25 AM, dhbailey wrote:
>
> > So why isn't Finale going to include saxes?
>
> David, no offense, but how many times do you need this explained?
> Fin2k6 doesn't include any GPO saxes because at the moment, there ARE
> NO GP
On 15 Jul 2005, at 3:27 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Darcy James Argue wrote:
What's better, a Finale+GPO rendition of a concert band work that
contains every concert band instrument except saxophones
(substituting clarinets or double-reeds on their parts, as I do now),
or a Sibelius rendition of th
--- Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 15 Jul 2005, at 2:32 PM, dhbailey wrote:
>
> > Your point being? Yes they do include those
> instruments. but if the
> > playback can't include the sax section, how will a
> reasonable
> > rendition of a band work be made?
>
> (A) With
Darcy James Argue wrote:
[snip]
No, you cannot. Sibelius does not provide their own soundfont -- Finale
does (in addition to the GPO sounds).
I haven't used the Finale-provided soundfont other than to check my
installation -- then I substitute one which I prefer for the
Finale-provided one
n 15 Jul 2005, at 2:43 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 1:37 PM, John Howell wrote:
Umm, am I the only one to whom it has occurred that at the very
least, alto and tenor sax are ORCHESTRAL INSTRUMENTS, and are played
with a sound the is quite different from a j
On 15 Jul 2005, at 2:32 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Your point being? Yes they do include those instruments. but if the
playback can't include the sax section, how will a reasonable
rendition of a band work be made?
(A) With other instruments covering the saxophone parts, same as what I
do know wh
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 1:37 PM, John Howell wrote:
Umm, am I the only one to whom it has occurred that at the very least,
alto and tenor sax are ORCHESTRAL INSTRUMENTS, and are played with a
sound the is quite different from a jazz sound? As are the saxes in
wind ensemb
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 6:25 AM, dhbailey wrote:
So why isn't Finale going to include saxes?
David, no offense, but how many times do you need this explained?
Fin2k6 doesn't include any GPO saxes because at the moment, there ARE NO
GPO SAXES TO INCLUDE. The Jazz/Big
Darcy James Argue wrote:
[snip]> You then went on to pooh-pooh the fact that the included snare
drum has
both left- and right-hand hits, which is actually *extremely important*
for marching band work.
[snip]
Are they matched grip or traditional grip? That's important, too. :-)
--
David H. B
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 10:41 AM, dhbailey wrote:
So much for MakeMusic's commitment to serve the educational community
-- can anybody name any major concert band or jazz band or marching
band works which don't include saxophones?
David, are you even reading Tyler's post
Totally different sounds. As a saxophone major in college, I suffered
through years of classical lessons. The tone and how you play as very
different than jazz saxophone.
John Howell wrote:
Umm, am I the only one to whom it has occurred that at the very least,
alto and tenor sax are ORCHE
On 15 Jul 2005, at 1:37 PM, John Howell wrote:
Umm, am I the only one to whom it has occurred that at the very least,
alto and tenor sax are ORCHESTRAL INSTRUMENTS, and are played with a
sound the is quite different from a jazz sound? As are the saxes in
wind ensembles. Thinking that a singl
At 10:21 AM -0700 7/15/05, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
*tongue in cheek* Yeah, but when it does come out, it will have all
those useful saxes like Contrabass, and C melody. Woohoo!
Darcy James Argue wrote:
David, no offense, but how many times do you need this explained?
Fin2k6 doesn't include any
*tongue in cheek* Yeah, but when it does come out, it will have all
those useful saxes like Contrabass, and C melody. Woohoo!
Darcy James Argue wrote:
David, no offense, but how many times do you need this explained?
Fin2k6 doesn't include any GPO saxes because at the moment, there ARE
NO G
On 15 Jul 2005, at 10:41 AM, dhbailey wrote:
So much for MakeMusic's commitment to serve the educational community
-- can anybody name any major concert band or jazz band or marching
band works which don't include saxophones?
David, are you even reading Tyler's posts? He wrote:
Sibelius sh
On 15 Jul 2005, at 6:25 AM, dhbailey wrote:
So why isn't Finale going to include saxes?
David, no offense, but how many times do you need this explained?
Fin2k6 doesn't include any GPO saxes because at the moment, there ARE
NO GPO SAXES TO INCLUDE. The Jazz/Big Band edition of GPO is NOT
dhbailey wrote:
dhbailey wrote:
[snip]
All MakeMusic has to do is to release Fianle2006 as they plan to,
without the saxes, since they're not ready for release yet, and then
release an update patch, like they do for the occasional interim
bug-release (finale2005a, finale2005b, finale2005c
dhbailey wrote:
[snip]
All MakeMusic has to do is to release Fianle2006 as they plan to,
without the saxes, since they're not ready for release yet, and then
release an update patch, like they do for the occasional interim
bug-release (finale2005a, finale2005b, finale2005c, whatever), which
dhbailey schrieb:
If you want to use it for additional midi channels, you can send 16
channels to your Roland via your midi hookup and send 16 more channels
through the smartmusic soundfont (you select that in the midi devices
list) and then send the line-out jack to a mixer to combine with
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Ah, what I do is create a finale file, which then, for playback, goes
via my MIDI to my Roland J35 Keboard, thence to my stereo amp and
speaker system, whence I hear it. Sorry I didn't clarify that.
If you're producing midi output via an external keyboard, the s
John Bell wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 03:53, dhbailey wrote:
But they list the Jazz & Big Band Collection for sale (I was terribly
wrong about the price -- it's a whopping $259 dollars more, and that's
a special deal for Finale users!) so they could include a tickler
about how they'll be rele
Tyler Turner wrote:
[snip]
For the moment, Finale is leagues ahead of Sibelius in
terms of playback.
Actually, Finale is only leagues ahead of Sibelius in terms of playback
with included 3rd-party add-on, and then only for those who are
orchestrally inclined, not for those who work in the
Dean M. Estabrook schrieb:
Ah, what I do is create a finale file, which then, for playback, goes
via my MIDI to my Roland J35 Keboard, thence to my stereo amp and
speaker system, whence I hear it. Sorry I didn't clarify that.
Yes, but then you are not using and cannot use the Finale soundf
Ah, what I do is create a finale file, which then, for playback,
goes via my MIDI to my Roland J35 Keboard, thence to my stereo amp and
speaker system, whence I hear it. Sorry I didn't clarify that.
Dean
On Jul 14, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Dean M. Estabrook schrieb:
H
On 15 Jul 2005, at 03:53, dhbailey wrote:But they list the Jazz & Big Band Collection for sale (I was terribly wrong about the price -- it's a whopping $259 dollars more, and that's a special deal for Finale users!) so they could include a tickler about how they'll be releasing an update patch of t
John Bell wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 03:04, dhbailey wrote:
Oh, definitely for me! I relish the thought of having to pay another
$150 or so to get the sounds of an instrument which it is unthinkable
to leave out of a quite large share of the composition/engraving
field, namely Concert Band,
--- dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> John Wyman wrote:
>
> > I talked with a rep at MakeMusic yesterday about
> the absence of
> > saxophones in the GPO set that come with 2006.
> There will be none in the
> > full version of GPO either, for saxophones one
> must purchase the jazz
> > G
On 15 Jul 2005, at 03:04, dhbailey wrote:Oh, definitely for me! I relish the thought of having to pay another $150 or so to get the sounds of an instrument which it is unthinkable to leave out of a quite large share of the composition/engraving field, namely Concert Band, to say nothing about Jazz
On 14 Jul 2005, at 10:04 PM, dhbailey wrote:
John Wyman wrote:
I talked with a rep at MakeMusic yesterday about the absence of
saxophones in the GPO set that come with 2006. There will be none in
the full version of GPO either, for saxophones one must purchase the
jazz GPO package. Can this
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Dean M. Estabrook schrieb:
How does one access the smartmusic soundfount for playback (not
through the internal speaker) with Mac Fin 04c?
Not sure how you mean. Where would the sound come out if not the
internal speaker?
Johannes
The line-out jack.
--
David
John Wyman wrote:
I talked with a rep at MakeMusic yesterday about the absence of
saxophones in the GPO set that come with 2006. There will be none in the
full version of GPO either, for saxophones one must purchase the jazz
GPO package.
Can this be a blessing in disguise?
Oh, definitely
Dean M. Estabrook schrieb:
How does one access the smartmusic soundfount for playback (not through
the internal speaker) with Mac Fin 04c?
Not sure how you mean. Where would the sound come out if not the
internal speaker?
Johannes
--
http://www.musikmanufaktur.com
http://www.camerata-berol
re when F2006 arrives.
Best,
Ron
http://www.RonaldJBrown.com
-Original Message-
From: dhbailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: July 14, 2005 5:32 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO
Tyler Turner wrote:
[snip]>
>
> For most of the instruments, you get a si
How does one access the smartmusic soundfount for playback (not through
the internal speaker) with Mac Fin 04c?
Dean
On Jul 14, 2005, at 2:31 AM, dhbailey wrote:
ronan wrote:
Oh well. At least Tyler's review in another post leaves me hopeful
that playback in Fin2006 using GPO will be at lea
I talked with a rep at MakeMusic yesterday about the absence of saxophones in the GPO set that come with 2006. There will be none in the full version of GPO either, for saxophones one must purchase the jazz GPO package. Can this be a blessing in disguise?John WymanI have just one question concernin
On Jul 14, 2005, at 5:38 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Well, let me qualify that -- the sounds are unsatisfying, even if not
having to deal with all the egos and attitude problems often present
in human orchestras makes working at my computer that much more
enjoyable! ;-)
Heh, heh! Have you read F
Lee Actor wrote:
Thanks, this is very helpful. It's hard to tell what's missing just from
the list of patch names, e.g., "Viola Section" is included with Finale, but
"Viola Section (10 players)" is only in the full GPO. Also, no Violin II
section in either?
[snip]
Oh, no! No violin II sect
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Tyler Turner schrieb:
Sections
strings are solid, but I'm not sure about how well the
solo strings can stand on their own or in small
ensembles (string quartets, etc.).
Not to take anyone's illusions away, but I have just been trying to make
the full GPO imitate a
ronan wrote:
[snip]>
I understand that will not be able to use the full GPO with Finale2006
immediately. But Gary has promised a free patch will be out soon.
[snip]
That's interesting, especially in light of the fact that they are
offering extra-cost addon GPO versions for Finale users to bu
Tyler Turner wrote:
[snip]>
For most of the instruments, you get a single solo
instrument and 3 ensemble instruments.
Thanks for adding that -- after reading Ronald's post I was feeling a
bit let-down.
I am intrigued now!
--
David H. Bailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
_
Tyler Turner wrote:
[snip]>
I'm discovering that scores which have a lot of
markings for HP to interpret can sound better than a
lot of the scores I hear on the GPO demo page - and
that's using the Finale GPO set that comes with
Finale.
Do you HAVE to use HP? Nope. It's all MIDI data that
Finale
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Not to take anyone's illusions away, but I have just been trying to make
the full GPO imitate a string quartet. To be honest, the only instrument
that is sort of acceptable is the cello, in some registers at least.
None of the violins sound remotely like solo violins to
> Tyler Turner schrieb:
> > Sections
> > strings are solid, but I'm not sure about how well the
> > solo strings can stand on their own or in small
> > ensembles (string quartets, etc.).
>
> Not to take anyone's illusions away, but I have just been trying to make
> the full GPO imitate a string qua
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
> Of Tyler Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:17 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO
>
>
>
>
> --- Lee Actor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone who is currently using
Tyler Turner schrieb:
Sections
strings are solid, but I'm not sure about how well the
solo strings can stand on their own or in small
ensembles (string quartets, etc.).
Not to take anyone's illusions away, but I have just been trying to make
the full GPO imitate a string quartet. To be honest
--- ronan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Lee,
>
> I am currently using the full GPO with Finale
> 2004--and I can't wait for
> Finale 2006. As I understand it, about 100 GPO
> instruments are included with
> F2006--and that means, to me, that they can be
> loaded directly from Finale.
> It see
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Subject: [Finale] 2006/GPO
Can anyone who is currently using GPO with Finale 2005 tell me how useful
from a practical standpoint the subset of GPO that is shipping with Finale
2006 is compared to the full version? In other words, how much do you
depend on the patches not included with the pa
--- Lee Actor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can anyone who is currently using GPO with Finale
> 2005 tell me how useful
> from a practical standpoint the subset of GPO that
> is shipping with Finale
> 2006 is compared to the full version? In other
> words, how much do you
> depend on the patches
Can anyone who is currently using GPO with Finale 2005 tell me how useful
from a practical standpoint the subset of GPO that is shipping with Finale
2006 is compared to the full version? In other words, how much do you
depend on the patches not included with the partial version for decent
results?
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