Re: [Finale] OT: Recorders

2008-05-08 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: I have to agree with Chuck. What were they thinking? Any tiny flaws in the mics or A/D conversion is completely obliterated by the mp3 encoding, which introduces WAY more audio skewing than any of these machines ever originally showed. Are you talking about the

Re: [Finale] OT: Recorders

2008-05-08 Thread Christopher Smith
On 8-May-08, at 5:12 AM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: I have to agree with Chuck. What were they thinking? Any tiny flaws in the mics or A/D conversion is completely obliterated by the mp3 encoding, which introduces WAY more audio skewing than any of these machines ever

Re: [Finale] OT: Recorders

2008-05-08 Thread Chuck Israels
On May 8, 2008, at 2:12 AM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: I have to agree with Chuck. What were they thinking? Any tiny flaws in the mics or A/D conversion is completely obliterated by the mp3 encoding, which introduces WAY more audio skewing than any of these machines ever

[Finale] OT: Recorders

2008-05-07 Thread Dick Hauser
Haven't been reading this thread until today, so someone may have already posted this link, but I thought this site: http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/portable-recorder-sound-samples.html Very helpful. Dick H ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] OT: Recorders

2008-05-07 Thread Chuck Israels
It's hard for me to get the information I'd like to have about the subtle differences among these machines when the playback files have been compressed to this extent. I don't find the differences among the results to be significant for simple snapshot recording needs. (I hear differences

Re: [Finale] OT: Recorders

2008-05-07 Thread Christopher Smith
I have to agree with Chuck. What were they thinking? Any tiny flaws in the mics or A/D conversion is completely obliterated by the mp3 encoding, which introduces WAY more audio skewing than any of these machines ever originally showed. Christopher On May 7, 2008, at 8:01 PM, Chuck

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-05 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 04.05.2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and speaking of moveable clefs, the only place outside of Finale that I've seen a French violin clef that puts the g' on the bottom line of the staff is in Dover's edition of Die Kunst der Fuge. Has anyone else here had practical experience with it?

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-05 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 2:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and speaking of moveable clefs, the only place outside of Finale that I've seen a French violin clef that puts the g' on the bottom line of the staff is in Dover's edition of Die Kunst der Fuge. Has anyone else here had practical

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-05 Thread Andrew Stiller
On May 4, 2008, at 2:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the only place outside of Finale that I've seen a French violin clef that puts the g' on the bottom line of the staff is in Dover's edition of Die Kunst der Fuge. Has anyone else here had practical experience with it? Every recorder

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-05 Thread John Howell
At 11:05 AM +0200 5/5/08, dc wrote: John Howell écrit: And for a lot of us (who don't see it all THAT often), it's harder to read than one of the C clefs, because it looks like it should be regular treble clef, while with the C clefs we know we're in trouble and have to solve the puzzle!

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-04 Thread John Howell
At 11:45 PM -0700 5/2/08, Bruce Hunter wrote: Sorry, I'm the one who was not clear. Actually I hadn't meant to suggest anything, just reporting what a reproduction of the original score indicated. Andrew Stiller has reminded me that recorders aren't transposing instruments. I guess, like the

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-04 Thread Bruce Hunter
Hi John, Thank you for the lucid explanation and history review. I do read the various clefs and various notations for non-Eurocentric instruments that, in reality is more a form of tablature than notation as we think of it, so learning new fingering charts is not an issue. Yes, I regard

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-04 Thread Bruce Hunter
Yes, this gets to be a fun exercise for the little grey cells. I work for a band director who, on occasion decides that a given bass line needs to be done on either an Eb contra-alto clarinet or Eb tuba. Read the F clef as if it were a G clef, decide what octave is where on the notation, add

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-04 Thread arabushk
...and speaking of moveable clefs, the only place outside of Finale that I've seen a French violin clef that puts the g' on the bottom line of the staff is in Dover's edition of Die Kunst der Fuge. Has anyone else here had practical experience with it? ajr

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-04 Thread John Howell
At 1:38 PM -0500 5/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and speaking of moveable clefs, the only place outside of Finale that I've seen a French violin clef that puts the g' on the bottom line of the staff is in Dover's edition of Die Kunst der Fuge. Has anyone else here had practical experience

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-03 Thread Bruce Hunter
Sorry, I'm the one who was not clear. Actually I hadn't meant to suggest anything, just reporting what a reproduction of the original score indicated. Andrew Stiller has reminded me that recorders aren't transposing instruments. I guess, like the bass clef instruments that don't transpose.

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-03 Thread dhbailey
Bruce Hunter wrote: Sorry, I'm the one who was not clear. Actually I hadn't meant to suggest anything, just reporting what a reproduction of the original score indicated. Andrew Stiller has reminded me that recorders aren't transposing instruments. I guess, like the bass clef instruments

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-03 Thread Lora Crighton
--- dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking as a person for whom recorder was my first woodwind (I started on trumpet and played that and euphonium only before learning recorder), it took me all of a week or so to learn alto recorder as a separate instrument. It's not hard at all.

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-03 Thread John Howell
At 1:11 PM +0200 5/2/08, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I have sort of lost touch with this discussion, but I remember that there are theories that Bach wrote the 4th Brandenburg concerto for recorder instruments not in F but in G. Can anyone here shed some light on this for me? Would such

[Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-02 Thread Johannes Gebauer
I have sort of lost touch with this discussion, but I remember that there are theories that Bach wrote the 4th Brandenburg concerto for recorder instruments not in F but in G. Can anyone here shed some light on this for me? Would such instruments have been built for a pitch of 415 Hz?

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-02 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Hi, If you write to me off list, I can email you a PDF of an article that discusses this very issue. Gutten tag Kim On 5/2/08, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have sort of lost touch with this discussion, but I remember that there are theories that Bach wrote the 4th Brandenburg

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-02 Thread Bruce Hunter
My facsimile copy of the score shows the fiauti d'echo lines to be written in the old French violin G clef (G clef indicating that the _bottom_ line of the staff is G), and the key signature to be the same as all the other instruments, G. Bruce Hunter Johannes Gebauer wrote: I have sort of

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-02 Thread Andrew Stiller
On May 2, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Bruce Hunter wrote: My facsimile copy of the score shows the fiauti d'echo lines to be written in the old French violin G clef (G clef indicating that the _bottom_ line of the staff is G), and the key signature to be the same as all the other instruments, G.

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-02 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 02.05.2008 Bruce Hunter wrote: My facsimile copy of the score shows the fiauti d'echo lines to be written in the old French violin G clef (G clef indicating that the _bottom_ line of the staff is G), and the key signature to be the same as all the other instruments, G. Bruce Hunter I am

Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg

2008-05-02 Thread Eric Fiedler
I think alto recorders in in g , while the rule in the 16th and early 17th centuries, had pretty much disappeared by the beginning of the 18th c. except possibly in the Stadtpfeifereien, which were also in many others ways archaic. In any case, Ulrich Prinz, in his useful book: Johann