Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-03-16 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear discussants, I tend to disagree with the motto information is physical if taken too strictly. Obviously if we look downwards it is OK, but in the upward direction it is different. Info is not only physical then, and the dimension of self-construction along the realization of life cycle

[Fis] [Fwd: Re: Physics of computing]--Plamen S.

2012-03-16 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje original Asunto: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing Fecha: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:24:38 +0100 De: Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov plamen.l.simeo...@gmail.com Para: Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es Referencias: 20120316041607.66ffc68000...@1w8.tpn.terra.com

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-03-16 Thread Guy A Hoelzer
Greetings All, While I like to think that I am not limited to reductionistic thinking, I find it difficult to understand any perspective on information that is not limited to physical manifestation. I would appreciate further justification for a non-physicalist perspective on information. How

[Fis] FW: [Fwd: Re: Physics of computing]--Plamen S.

2012-03-16 Thread Christophe Menant
Dear FISers, Indeed information can be considered downwards (physical meaningless) and upwards (biological meaningful). The difference being about interpretation or not. It also introduces an evolutionary approach to information processing and meaning generation. There is a chapter

[Fis] Physics of Computing

2012-03-16 Thread Kevin Clark
Dear FISers:   Pedro and Plamen raise good and welcomed points regarding the nature of physics, information, and biology. Although I believe in a strong relationship between information and physics in biology, there are striking examples where direct correspondences between information,

Re: [Fis] Physics of Computing

2012-03-16 Thread Gavin Ritz
Hi FISers Can anyone show me a calculus for Information relating to biological systems? And if so show me the relationship with conceptual mathematics? Regards Gavin Dear FISers:   Pedro and Plamen raise good and welcomed points regarding the nature of physics, information, and biology.

Re: [Fis] Physics of Computing

2012-03-16 Thread Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic
Dear Kevin and FIS, Searching for Andrei's articles, I found http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0906/0906.4952.pdf and in the abstract there is a claim: Therefore, mental states, during perception cognition of ambiguous figures, follow quantum mechanics. I am not an expert by any means but I

[Fis] Physics of Computing

2012-03-16 Thread Kevin Clark
Thank you Gordana for your reply. But I'm not sure whether not you misunderstood my comments about a direct correspondence between information and physics in biology. So, I thought I should stress my point from a slightly different approach. Khrennikov and colleagues, for instance, often refer

Re: [Fis] Physics of Computing

2012-03-16 Thread joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
Dear Gordana, There are for me many question marks in ascriptions of quantum properties to complex cognitive phenomena. The inversion of perspective I propose. using Deacon's term, is to see processes of superposition as common both to quantum phenomena as simplified projections of mental