Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-21 Thread Paul Andrews
On 21/04/2010 17:25, Dave Watts wrote: No. I am actually looking to see if there is a loophole for using Flash on an iWhatever in a limited set of circumstances, either as prototyping tool or as a limited distribution application. I really don't know if an alternative "open" SDK yet exists or som

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-21 Thread Dave Watts
> No. I am actually looking to see if there is a loophole for using Flash on > an iWhatever in a limited set of circumstances, either as prototyping tool > or as a limited distribution application. I really don't know if an > alternative "open" SDK yet exists or some kind of alternative open toolse

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-21 Thread Matt S.
Aka, selective enforcement is in full effect. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Mattheis, Erik (MIN - WSW) wrote: > The word from other cross-compilers is Apple says they are in compliance with > the new terms, or the new terms won't be enforced, or something. Example: > http://blog.anscamobile

RE: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-21 Thread Mattheis, Erik (MIN - WSW)
half Of Paul Andrews Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:27 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob If I develop for windows or linux I have a choice of comilers and IDEs and I can get by without using Microsoft tooling. The main reason for my question was to inve

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-21 Thread Paul Andrews
On 21/04/2010 10:00, Glen Pike wrote: Hi, Apologies if you thought I was calling you a fanboi - that was not the intention, but the endless discussion about the meaning of the iPhone SDK is better left to lawyers who can split legal hairs with surgical precision. For the rest of us a sen

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-21 Thread Glen Pike
Hi, Apologies if you thought I was calling you a fanboi - that was not the intention, but the endless discussion about the meaning of the iPhone SDK is better left to lawyers who can split legal hairs with surgical precision. For the rest of us a sensible way would be to think about the

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-21 Thread Paul Andrews
On 21/04/2010 09:13, Glen Pike wrote: Can we keep the "technicalities of iPhone SDK" discussions on some Apple fanboi list please. No. I am actually looking to see if there is a loophole for using Flash on an iWhatever in a limited set of circumstances, either as prototyping tool or as a limi

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-21 Thread Glen Pike
Can we keep the "technicalities of iPhone SDK" discussions on some Apple fanboi list please. On 20/04/2010 20:39, Paul Andrews wrote: On 20/04/2010 20:06, jonathan howe wrote: Paul, That's an interesting distinction. Does the agreement say you can't even test locally those kind of prototypes?

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread Paul Andrews
On 20/04/2010 20:06, jonathan howe wrote: Paul, That's an interesting distinction. Does the agreement say you can't even test locally those kind of prototypes? I thought the blocking was just for distribution through the store. -jonathan As I understand it the new developer agreement makes

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread Jer Brand
The "Testing" install on a provisioned device is also time limited. ( I bring this up because my touch just informed me I had 30 days before my Client's app provision expired ). Jer On 20/04/2010 15:31, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) wrote: sure but you can compile to your own handset

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread jonathan howe
Paul, That's an interesting distinction. Does the agreement say you can't even test locally those kind of prototypes? I thought the blocking was just for distribution through the store. -jonathan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:57 AM, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) < alla...@gmail.com> wro

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com)
that's the problem with apple's closed system - it's their way or the high way android supports both models - you can put your software in their appstore or provide a direct link on the net a On 20 April 2010 15:46, Paul Andrews wrote: > On 20/04/2010 15:31, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread Paul Andrews
On 20/04/2010 15:31, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) wrote: sure but you can compile to your own handset for testing as much as you like - it just won't get through the appstore approval process "testing" isn't much use to me. I can't build software for internal use at a company on

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com)
sure but you can compile to your own handset for testing as much as you like - it just won't get through the appstore approval process On 20 April 2010 15:24, Paul Andrews wrote: > On 20/04/2010 15:01, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) wrote: > >> note: to roll out an app to your dev ha

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread Paul Andrews
On 20/04/2010 15:01, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) wrote: note: to roll out an app to your dev handset requires a 100$ iphone developer license Which now forbids you to use the Adobe cross compiler. You have to agree to those terms. ___

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread Paul Andrews
On 20/04/2010 15:00, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) wrote: any developer can add an app to their phone through the compilation options from xcode using the sdk but there's no way i know of rolling this out to the public. i think for what you want, going through the cydia ( http://www.ap

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com)
note: to roll out an app to your dev handset requires a 100$ iphone developer license On 20 April 2010 15:00, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) < alla...@gmail.com> wrote: > any developer can add an app to their phone through the compilation options > from xcode using the sdk but there's

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com)
any developer can add an app to their phone through the compilation options from xcode using the sdk but there's no way i know of rolling this out to the public. i think for what you want, going through the cydia ( http://www.appsafari.com/software/5325/cydia/) store on jailbroken phones / pods is

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread jonathan howe
They would have to be jailbreaked (jailbroken?) iPhones to run that. All apps require a digital certificate, which is managed through their developer program to be loaded onto the phone and run. The type of certificate controls whether how they can be distributed. Non store-distributed apps are res

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread Jer Brand
There is an enterprise version of the SDK that allows app distribution via your own servers (effectively replacing the app store). We looked at this for a state agency wanting to distribute apps to their employees. http://developer.apple.com/programs/iphone/enterprise/ The "Ad Hoc" distribution o

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread Matt S.
If the Agreement doesnt currently prevent it, you can be quite certain a couple sentences would be added in a hurry to make sure it does. .m On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Nathan Mynarcik wrote: > Come to think of it, I wonder if you could just make a website for support > and download of you

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread Paul Andrews
On 20/04/2010 13:46, Nathan Mynarcik wrote: Come to think of it, I wonder if you could just make a website for support and download of your app. Sell it on the site via Paypal or a shopping cart. Can Apple prevent developers from doing this? Nathan Mynarcik Interactive Web Developer nat...@myna

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread tom rhodes
this? > Nathan Mynarcik > Interactive Web Developer > nat...@mynarcik.com > 254.749.2525 > www.mynarcik.com > > -Original Message- > From: "Nathan Mynarcik" > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:38:41 > To: Flash Coders List > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash an

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread Nathan Mynarcik
-Original Message- From: "Nathan Mynarcik" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:38:41 To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob I believe you just can't sell the app on the appstore. You can export and add it to any iPhone, its just against their SDK to se

Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and iThingammybob

2010-04-20 Thread Nathan Mynarcik
I believe you just can't sell the app on the appstore. You can export and add it to any iPhone, its just against their SDK to sell it on iTunes. --Original Message-- From: Paul Andrews Sender: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com To: Flash Coders List ReplyTo: Flash Coders List Sub