Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Jim Wilson
Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Now with a different 'approach'. Starting on ground ... $ fgfs --lon=-122.4998 --lat=37.5845 --heading=275 ... and very slowly taxiing over the border. Right when I pass over I get thrown on my back. Ouch ... :-| That did it. There is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread John Wojnaroski
When I was working on getting the agl calculation functioning with all the viewer changes, I toyed with the idea doing something that ignored sudden (and/or unreasonable) variations to AGL, at least for a few frames. It was mostly in response to what happens when a very fast aircraft

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Jim Wilson
John Wojnaroski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Perhaps that explains the problem I've been seeing. When performing autoland approaches in the 747 (approach speeds around 137-150KIAS) the aircraft would suddenly level off at decision height ( 200 ft) and then dive for the runway as it tried to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: When I get some time I'll run further tests and maybe come up with a patch to avoid this sort of glitch. It would be helpful if someone happened to know why this gap happens in the scenery data sometimes. I'm sure Curt can talk in more detail, but my guess is that this is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: Jim Wilson wrote: When I get some time I'll run further tests and maybe come up with a patch to avoid this sort of glitch. It would be helpful if someone happened to know why this gap happens in the scenery data sometimes. I'm sure Curt can talk in more detail, but my

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Melchior FRANZ writes: * Jim Wilson -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 18:26: Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: A huge value would probably only make the AGL radar flash a wrong value but it wouldn't have further, malign effects. Crash detection is triggered in some cases which will

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread John Wojnaroski
That's probably an issue with the autopilot and the 747. It's been difficult finding control factors that work for all the different speeds, compounded by the giant mass of the 747. At those lower speeds the effectiveness of the elevator can change dramatically with relatively small

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Melchior FRANZ writes: * Melchior FRANZ -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 19:41: But I will now eradicate all my object files and make everything clean. Done. Same problem. Unfortunately, I'm neither familiar with the scenery handling, nor with the vector stuff. But I'll try to find out more ...

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Melchior FRANZ writes: * Curtis L. Olson -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 21:30: Can you dump out the ground elevation every frame and see what that does as you fly over a seam and hit the invisible wall? I did this already and posted the results in this thread. Do you want to see more? A

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Melchior FRANZ writes: * Curtis L. Olson -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 21:35: It would be interesting to also see the actual ground elevation along with the other numbers you posted. Ahh, sorry. I mixed up altitude with ground elevation. May take a while, I'm not sure if the jsbsim log

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson writes: Did you try rolling out from the position that Melchior included in this mornings message (the one with the agl data)? I couldn't replicate before but I can by rolling on the ground (a couple feet) from that position. Just curious to know if you do. I thought Melchior

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Jim Wilson
Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: * Jim Wilson -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 18:26: Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: A huge value would probably only make the AGL radar flash a wrong value but it wouldn't have further, malign effects. Crash detection is triggered in some

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Jim Wilson
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Jim Wilson writes: Did you try rolling out from the position that Melchior included in this mornings message (the one with the agl data)? I couldn't replicate before but I can by rolling on the ground (a couple feet) from that position. Just

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Melchior FRANZ writes: Never mind. I just try to be a serious pilot, and dying in a plane crash is pretty dramatic. And, as a non-Micros~1 user, random crashes are generally undesirable for me. :-] Ignoring my own previous statement about avoiding politics -- I've seen a lot of varient

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Andy Ross
Curtis L. Olson wrote: I agree that random/periodic bugs are insidious and frustrating and makes the software look like crap; therefore we should have a 'culture' of agressive pursuit of these problems. But, unfortunately I can't replicate your particular problem here which makes it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Jim Wilson
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Melchior FRANZ writes: Never mind. I just try to be a serious pilot, and dying in a plane crash is pretty dramatic. And, as a non-Micros~1 user, random crashes are generally undesirable for me. :-] Ignoring my own previous statement about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:00:45 +0200 Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C:\CONGRTLS.W98 I don't get it. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:00:45 +0200 Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C:\CONGRTLS.W98 I don't get it. It was actually for the release of Windows 95 and it translates to Congradulations Windows 95 g. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jon S Berndt writes: On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:00:45 +0200 Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C:\CONGRTLS.W98 I don't get it. In unix this would probably translate to something like cw98 (to save typing.) Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Julian Foad
Andy Ross wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: I agree that random/periodic bugs are insidious and frustrating and makes the software look like crap; therefore we should have a 'culture' of agressive pursuit of these problems. But, unfortunately I can't replicate your particular problem

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-02 Thread Tony Peden
On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 13:39, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Jim Wilson -- Tuesday 02 July 2002 21:59: I can't make this happen...is this with current scenery from cvs? Yes, and with plib/SimGear/FlightGear CVS-HEAD from today. I almost fall over and hear a bump from the gear touching the ground

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-02 Thread Jon Berndt
Unfortuenately I couldn't make jsbsim's logging feature work yet. I tried both TERMINAL and TABULAR instead of NONE. No effect. Could be interesting to see which column makes the values jump first. Did you try CSV? Yes, terminal and tabular are not implemented, yet. smime.p7s