Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-06 Thread Manuel Bessler
On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 09:34:55PM -0800, Andy Ross wrote: Only by bugging Curt to make a new release. :) Is CVS relatively stable (near releasability) at this time ? To be fair, building FlightGear from CVS really is no harder than building the source tarballs. Its not really the building,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-05 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson writes: Ok, yes as long as the origin is in sync, and the fdm rotates correctly. Just the same if the FDM origin was at the c.g. (geometry or gravity?) instead of the cockpit there would be a better chance of actually having the thing on the runway. The CG moves around quite

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-05 Thread Andy Ross
Tony Peden wrote: BTW, you will rarely see the c.g. used as a reference point for dimensions on aircraft. First of all, it moves in flight. Second of all, it's very difficult to actually point to its location. That's my intuition too. David is correct, though, that most lightplane POH's use

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-05 Thread Tony Peden
--- Andy Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Peden wrote: BTW, you will rarely see the c.g. used as a reference point for dimensions on aircraft. First of all, it moves in flight. Second of all, it's very difficult to actually point to its location. That's my intuition too. David is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-05 Thread Martin Spott
In this case, the simplest solution is to bring up the 747 model in a (registered) copy of AC3D, drag it around so the nose tip lies exactly on the origin, and save it. I can do all but the last step. :) I could do nthing - but the last step. AC3D on SGI IRIX is free and unsupported - it has

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-05 Thread John Check
On Tuesday 05 November 2002 3:14 pm, Jim Wilson wrote: When the 3D model origin is set at the nose or cockpit, the aircraft is too far back on the runway at startup. So far back that the main gear is not on the pavement. It looks stupid. Even as it is currently, it sits too far back. If

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-05 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: When the 3D model origin is set at the nose or cockpit, the aircraft is too far back on the runway at startup. So far back that the main gear is not on the pavement. It looks stupid. Ah, now I think I understand what you mean. I agree, the model placement looks dumb. But

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-05 Thread burrito
I have been flying with the 747-yasim for short while now, and I also have a few questions. Is fuel consumption modeled in yasim, or will it ever be? Lots of fuel in the tanks could also cause problems with landing right? I have tried landing several times but always bounce off the runway.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-05 Thread Andy Ross
Burrito Jack wrote: Is fuel consumption modeled in yasim, or will it ever be? Someday. :) Right now, you can use --prop:/sim/fuel-fraction=0.2 to get an appropriate landing weight. Really, this would be very simple. Like I've said, I'm lazy. To be honest, I don't usually fly cross country in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-05 Thread Jim Wilson
burrito [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Is fuel consumption modeled in yasim, or will it ever be? Lots of fuel in the tanks could also cause problems with landing right? I have tried landing several times but always bounce off the runway. It should be possible to land even with ack! full tanks.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-05 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I agree, we need a per-aircraft runway startup offset (which would basically be the length of the fuselage). Alternatively, we could pick the *tail* of the aircraft as the coordinate origin. That would behave correctly under these conditions. One

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-05 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson writes: One advantage of switching to the tail would be that just about any aircraft would position reasonably on the runway without special configuration. Don't know if there are any disadvantages. I think that's the wrong reason to make the choice -- it's a permanent kludge

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-05 Thread Manuel Bessler
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 09:24:43AM -0800, Andy Ross wrote: Cool, someone's playing with the 747. This model hasn't had a lot of tweaking yet beyond the engine thrust bugs that Jim Wilson dealt with a few months back. Hey, the 747 is the queen of the sky :-) Does it model the thrust

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-05 Thread Andy Ross
Manuel Bessler wrote: BTW: What is the difference between Speedbrakes and Spoilers? Typically spoilers refer only to flaps on the top of a wing. They spoil the lift generated and allow the plane to fly at a higher angle of attack for the same lift, and thus descend more steeply (or remain on

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-04 Thread Andy Ross
Cool, someone's playing with the 747. This model hasn't had a lot of tweaking yet beyond the engine thrust bugs that Jim Wilson dealt with a few months back. Manual Bessler wrote: Here are a few things I wanted to ask about the 747-yasim: Does it model the thrust reversers ? What about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-04 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: And finally, I agree. The default gear damping is a little too light. YASim computes a default damping coefficient automatically, based on the weight of the plane and the placement of the gear. But it's not going to work perfectly for all aircraft. There needs to be a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-04 Thread Andy Ross
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Speaking of gear modeling in the 747-yasim, have you tried getting the aircraft up to say 40kts. taxiing and then hit the brakes ... there is clearly something going on with the 747 gear modeling that is not physically possible ... best seen when viewed from the chase

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-04 Thread Andy Ross
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Speaking of gear modeling in the 747-yasim, have you tried getting the aircraft up to say 40kts. taxiing and then hit the brakes ... there is clearly something going on with the 747 gear modeling that is not physically possible ... best seen when viewed from the chase

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-04 Thread David Megginson
Andy Ross writes: This is tedious to fix (for me, anyway -- I don't have a registered AC3D copy that can save), so no one has bothered. There's also the question of whether it should be fixed in the YASim file or the model file. I contend that the nose is a much better origin, since a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-04 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Speaking of gear modeling in the 747-yasim, have you tried getting the aircraft up to say 40kts. taxiing and then hit the brakes ... there is clearly something going on with the 747 gear modeling that is not physically possible

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim Questions

2002-11-04 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: It isn't tedious at all, we can offset the origin to where we want without messing with the ac file *and* it won't affect the animation. Cool. Uh, how? :) Having the FDM origin at the center of gravity should improve the appearance of the 3D modeling since pitching of the