Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightdeck-UI Project Homepage.

2002-09-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Norman Vine writes: FYI http://openlight.com/fdui/ Interesting ... are these people aware of FlightGear? It looks like they are doing cockpit UI type research (?) and they could plug right into FlightGear to drive their displays. Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Flightdeck-UI Project Homepage.

2002-09-27 Thread Jon Berndt
Interesting ... are these people aware of FlightGear? It looks like they are doing cockpit UI type research (?) and they could plug right into FlightGear to drive their displays. Huh? I read into it that they were using flight deck metaphors to create user interfaces - not necessarily

Re: [Flightgear-devel] typical twin-engine elec system

2002-09-27 Thread Elad Yarkoni
Once upon a time, you were sitting and writing: Thanks Dave. It has more than enough information (although it is not a typical electrical diagram). I have a few dirty tasks for the weekend (like evaluating a signal processing exam), so I won't be working on the computer. All the best,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightdeck-UI Project Homepage.

2002-09-27 Thread John Check
On Friday 27 September 2002 9:47 am, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Jon Berndt writes: Interesting ... are these people aware of FlightGear? It looks like they are doing cockpit UI type research (?) and they could plug right into FlightGear to drive their displays. Huh? I read into it that

[Flightgear-devel] CVS error?

2002-09-27 Thread Matthew Law
I'm now seeing this when I do a 'cvs update -dP' in the development CVS tree. cvs server: cannot open directory /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Systems/Vacuum: No such file or directory cvs server: skipping directory src/Systems/Vacuum Is this anything I've done locally?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS error?

2002-09-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Matthew Law writes: I'm now seeing this when I do a 'cvs update -dP' in the development CVS tree. cvs server: cannot open directory /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Systems/Vacuum: No such file or directory cvs server: skipping directory src/Systems/Vacuum Is this anything I've

[Flightgear-devel] Static port and altimeter

2002-09-27 Thread David Megginson
I've just added a static port system and a new altimeter model to CVS. Now, if you set the property /systems/static/serviceable to false, the altimeter will freeze. Otherwise, it displays the altitude based on the difference between outside air pressure (with a slight lag from the static

[Flightgear-devel] Updating to new CVS trunk repository

2002-09-27 Thread Julian Foad
Just trying my first CVS update in a couple of weeks. I see there is a new repository for the trunk, so I changed all my CVS/Root files to point to the -0.9 one and logged in with the new password. [Why not just have no password?] But I get: cvs server: Updating . cvs [server

[Flightgear-devel] Joystick files still contain bad names

2002-09-27 Thread Julian Foad
Two base package files, Input/Joysticks/CH/pro-pedals-usb.xml Input/Joysticks/CH/pro-yoke-usb.xml both still (or again) contain nameMicrosoft-PC-Joysticktreiber /name namePilote de joystick PC Microsoft /name which is less than useful as discussed before. Please could someone

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Joystick files still contain bad names

2002-09-27 Thread Michael Basler
Julian, which is less than useful as discussed before. Please could someone remove those lines, and could contributors please be careful not to include such lines in their contributions. This was me :-( at a time when we did not yet completely figure where/how the joystick is handled under

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updating to new CVS trunk repository

2002-09-27 Thread Alex Perry
The username changed too. Just trying my first CVS update in a couple of weeks. I see there is a new repository for the trunk, so I changed all my CVS/Root files to point to the -0.9 one and logged in with the new password. [Why not just have no password?] But I get: cvs server:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Static port and altimeter

2002-09-27 Thread Alex Perry
The static system itself needs a little more work, including support for multiple static ports, sideslip errors, and alternate air (from inside the cabin); those won't be hard to add, but if anyone (Alex?) wants to take a look at src/System/static.[ch]xx and add them in before I have a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] More instruments: VSI and HI

2002-09-27 Thread Alex Perry
The VSI and ALT are connected to the static port. When that port is blocked, Don't forget to put in the alternate static source switch on the panel, and cause it to read as a slightly rearward facing static port. the ALT will freeze at its current altitude reading, and the VSI will

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Static port and altimeter

2002-09-27 Thread Tony Peden
On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 15:09, Alex Perry wrote: The static system will probably be more challenging as that's where most of the subtle errors seem to crop up. Cessna gives tables relating IAS to CAS (which is largely the static source error). If that's standard practice, incorporating a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Static port and altimeter

2002-09-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Alex Perry writes: The static system itself needs a little more work, including support for multiple static ports, sideslip errors, and alternate air (from inside the cabin); those won't be hard to add, but if anyone (Alex?) wants to take a look at src/System/static.[ch]xx and add them in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Static port and altimeter

2002-09-27 Thread David Megginson
Alex Perry writes: You need to handle the special case of large dt (as well as negative) more carefully ... for the same reasons as I did in Steam's function. Nice timing. In fact, I copied your low-pass function into Main/utils.[ch]xx just a short while ago and am now using it. All the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Static port and altimeter

2002-09-27 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: Yes, if you use an int and track time in increments of 1 / 1,000,000 then you get about 30 minutes before you hit an anomaly. This bug caused problem in the past such as radio station searches to only happen every other 30 minute period, or panel text to stop

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Static port and altimeter

2002-09-27 Thread David Megginson
Tony Peden writes: And so, I stand by my statement. Most of the time the static errors are the ones that you need to worry about. You don't spend alot of time at either high angles of attack or high sideslip angles. Unfortunately, the little bit of time you do spend in heavy sideslips

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Static port and altimeter

2002-09-27 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: Yes, if you use an int and track time in increments of 1 / 1,000,000 then you get about 30 minutes before you hit an anomaly. This bug caused problem in the past such as radio station searches to only happen every other 30 minute period, or panel text to stop

Re: [Flightgear-devel] More instruments: VSI and HI

2002-09-27 Thread Alex Perry
However, the airspeed indication will be inconsistent and a full instrument scan will immediately identify the problem. When will you connect the ASI between the pitot and static ? I think I need a fresh day for that one -- it's a little complicated. The TC will be easier as soon as

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Static port and altimeter

2002-09-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Norman Vine writes: Yep there is a problem if you try to run a FGFS session on a Windows box much over 49 days :-) I wouldn't know anything about that, and far be it from me to blatantly bash windows, but if you manage to have your windows box run that long, I'd definitely recommond that you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Static port and altimeter

2002-09-27 Thread David Megginson
David Megginson writes: And so, I stand by my statement. Most of the time the static errors are the ones that you need to worry about. You don't spend alot of time at either high angles of attack or high sideslip angles. Unfortunately, the little bit of time you do spend in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] More instruments: VSI and HI

2002-09-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David, Just had a look at the latest additions, good work, this is an area that has been very lacking in flightgear and it's nice to finally be addressing it. The airspeed indicator is still working for me, even when the static system not servicable. David Megginson writes: I think I need a

[Flightgear-devel] list traffic

2002-09-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
We must all be a bunch of pathetic geeks if the list traffic takes off on friday and saturday nights. :-) Contributing-to-the-traffic-ly yours, Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Static port and altimeter

2002-09-27 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson Norman Vine writes: Yep there is a problem if you try to run a FGFS session on a Windows box much over 49 days :-) I wouldn't know anything about that, and far be it from me to blatantly bash windows, but if you manage to have your windows box run that long, I'd

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Static port and altimeter

2002-09-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Norman Vine writes: Hmm... I can't rememeber crashing this box in a long time and if it wasn't for needing to reboot in order to access the CVS ... Oh right I don't need to do that anymore :-) So remind me to send you one of these in a cople of months :-) 510 src $ cat

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updating to new CVS trunk repository

2002-09-27 Thread Julian Foad
Alex Perry wrote: The username changed too. Yes, I forgot to mention that. However, you can see that my problem was not logging in but updating. Someone must know how to get around this ... anyone? - Julian Just trying my first CVS update in a couple of weeks. I see there is a new

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updating to new CVS trunk repository

2002-09-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Julian Foad writes: Alex Perry wrote: The username changed too. Yes, I forgot to mention that. However, you can see that my problem was not logging in but updating. Someone must know how to get around this ... anyone? Personally, I just did a fresh checkout. Curt. -- Curtis Olson

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updating to new CVS trunk repository

2002-09-27 Thread Julian Foad
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Julian Foad writes: Alex Perry wrote: The username changed too. Yes, I forgot to mention that. However, you can see that my problem was not logging in but updating. Someone must know how to get around this ... anyone? Personally, I just did a fresh checkout.

[Flightgear-devel] external model positioning

2002-09-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
I am working on interfacing an external flight model to FlightGear via the network. This particular code reports an altitude of zero/0.0f when the wheels are resting at sea level. The c172 3d model is drawn so that it's center of gravity is at the reported altitude. Also the pilot view point

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updating to new CVS trunk repository

2002-09-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Julian Foad writes: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Julian Foad writes: Alex Perry wrote: The username changed too. Yes, I forgot to mention that. However, you can see that my problem was not logging in but updating. Someone must know how to get around this ... anyone?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updating to new CVS trunk repository

2002-09-27 Thread Alex Perry
Personally, I just did a fresh checkout. D'oh. Depending on how aggrivating this all is/has been you guys might consider a pitch-in-and-buy-curt-a-cvs-book fund. :-) What make you think, that we think, that you'd take the time to read it ? 8-)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Static port and altimeter

2002-09-27 Thread Matthew Law
Alex Perry wrote: Pitot source errors occur mostly 1. In slips, especially in full forward slips 2. At unusual angles of attack, especially no-flap slow flight IIRC, I read that the EuroFighter uses a system which selects the best source of data for this stuff taking into account the last

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updating to new CVS trunk repository

2002-09-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Alex Perry writes: Personally, I just did a fresh checkout. D'oh. Depending on how aggrivating this all is/has been you guys might consider a pitch-in-and-buy-curt-a-cvs-book fund. :-) What make you think, that we think, that you'd take the time to read it ? 8-) That's fair :-)

[Flightgear-devel] PDF on pitot-static - comment

2002-09-27 Thread Alex Perry
Page 46 of the PDF describes the pressure defect, with example values. Whether we can adapt this to be a useful lookup table is another matter. They also have nice equations, later on, converting test data into a model that predicts errors. However, the conversion implies having raw data. Maybe

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updating to new CVS trunk repository

2002-09-27 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson I actually have a rcs/sccs book sitting on my shelf (good thing I proofread my messages ... I originally wrote sitting on myself which is close, but doesn't quite convey the same thing.) I bought it because it advertised a cvs section, but the cvs info turned out to be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Help: Current Ground Elevation

2002-09-27 Thread David Megginson
Norman Vine writes: I am still not convinced that your tile is actually loaded though and don't really know the 'best' way to check for that given the 'lazy' loader. I can think of two options: 1. we can attach a separate deferred model queue to each deferred tile, so that the queue

Re: [Flightgear-devel] More instruments: VSI and HI

2002-09-27 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: The airspeed indicator is still working for me, even when the static system not servicable. I haven't done an ASI yet -- I need to model the pitot system for that. If you want to parameterize your turn-coordinator modeling code, In the C172S (serial #'s 172S8704

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft systems, take 1

2002-09-27 Thread Alex Perry
There is a slightly more complex model for vacuum in Steam. I suggest you snag it and then delete it from Steam. Just out of curiosity, do you know if it's common for twins to have a separate vacuum pump attached to each engine in case of failure in IFR? I have no idea; I'm not AMEL

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external model positioning

2002-09-27 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: I am working on interfacing an external flight model to FlightGear via the network. This particular code reports an altitude of zero/0.0f when the wheels are resting at sea level. The c172 3d model is drawn so that it's center of gravity is at the reported

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external model positioning

2002-09-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
In src/Main/viewmgr.cxx I found: setPilotXOffset_m(fgGetDouble(/sim/current-view/x-offset-m)); setPilotYOffset_m(fgGetDouble(/sim/current-view/y-offset-m)); setPilotZOffset_m(fgGetDouble(/sim/current-view/z-offset-m)); This looks like it needs to be set in the global preferences file

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external model positioning

2002-09-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Curtis L. Olson writes: In src/Main/viewmgr.cxx I found: setPilotXOffset_m(fgGetDouble(/sim/current-view/x-offset-m)); setPilotYOffset_m(fgGetDouble(/sim/current-view/y-offset-m)); setPilotZOffset_m(fgGetDouble(/sim/current-view/z-offset-m)); This looks like it needs to be set in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] PDF on pitot-static - comment

2002-09-27 Thread Tony Peden
On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 17:26, Alex Perry wrote: Page 46 of the PDF describes the pressure defect, with example values. Whether we can adapt this to be a useful lookup table is another matter. They also have nice equations, later on, converting test data into a model that predicts errors.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external model positioning

2002-09-27 Thread Jim Wilson
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: In src/Main/viewmgr.cxx I found: setPilotXOffset_m(fgGetDouble(/sim/current-view/x-offset-m)); setPilotYOffset_m(fgGetDouble(/sim/current-view/y-offset-m)); setPilotZOffset_m(fgGetDouble(/sim/current-view/z-offset-m)); This looks like it