Re: [Flightgear-devel] control surface normalization

2004-12-17 Thread Gordan Sikic
Hi, Pilots are taught to think in terms of pressure on stick not displacement. That is part of the reason that the F-16 is built the way it is. Thats OK, I agree, with one small change: pilots are not *taught* to think in terms in terms of pressure on stick. It is the natural way of sensing the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] control surface normalization

2004-12-17 Thread Gordan Sikic
Hi Jon, output laterally, on the pedals, and front/back on the stick. I think that's why the control law diagrams I have seen use pilot stick force as the input unit. One hundred percent of the control law diagrams I have seen that include pilot inputs use force. Once more, do not make general

Re: [Flightgear-devel] control surface normalization

2004-12-16 Thread Gordan Sikic
Hi, I agree with Norman. As long as control system is of concern, it is much better to use normalized units. surface deflections in degrees, and for good reason: it's natural, it's physical. From the point of view of JSBSim, normalized aerosurface Degrees are not natural, nor physical. We may

Re: [Flightgear-devel] control surface normalization

2004-12-16 Thread Gordan Sikic
Hi, Control law block diagrams I have seen take stick input in pounds force (pilot inputs) and output in degrees to actuators. I've never seen one that output control commands to an aerosurface actuator in a range from 0 to 1. Have you? I have seen (and I've seen more than few) control law

Re: [Flightgear-devel] control surface normalization

2004-12-16 Thread Gordan Sikic
Hi Jon, I see you are really mad :) Look here at the X-15 data and FCS diagram: http://jsbsim.sourceforge.net/X-15Aero.html The USAF F-16 (Block 40) FCS diagram is the same way: stick force is the input. Same with Space Shuttle control Law diagrams. The JSBSim X-15 model simulates the X-15

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New autopilot

2004-01-26 Thread Gordan Sikic
Hi, That has nothing at all to do with what I said. We are controlling individual control surfaces. Period. I don't think we should have subclasses for each desired action/process. Only each control surface type. Roll control ends up being intrinsically part of aileron control is it not?