Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml , 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread gerard robin
On dimanche 15 février 2009, Laurent wrote: > IMHO, in that case this is a bug about when wildfire should be > started. If the plane is actually missing a landing on water, it > should be detected by the main program as it, not as a land crash. A > catalina crashing on land should create fire. Deac

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml , 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread Stuart Buchanan
gerard robin wrote: > On dimanche 15 février 2009, Ron Jensen wrote: > > Respectfully I must disagree with you here. This is a system feature > > and should not be adjusted in random aircraft -set files. It is > > properly set in preferences.xml and autosave.xml, not each aircraft -set > > file

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusa der Crusader-SetBase.xml , 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread gerard robin
On dimanche 15 février 2009, gerard robin wrote: > On dimanche 15 février 2009, Ron Jensen wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-02-14 at 23:56 +0100, gerard robin wrote: > > > On samedi 14 février 2009, gerard robin wrote: > > > > On samedi 14 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > > > * Gerard Robin -- Satu

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusa der Crusader-SetBase.xml , 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, gerard robin wrote: > That is part of a model. > > Can you imagine a Catalina gently crashing on water ( when landing) gerring > Wildfire ? If you haven't noticed: Water does not burn. But yes, one would like to have the possibility the insert an aircraft specific function

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader

2009-02-14 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Curtis Olson -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > > No I think Melchior is justified (as occasionally can be the case) :-) > > :-P > > > We could simply default wild fires to off in the preferences.xml file and > > that is perhaps the thing to do. > > Exactly, and as I've

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml , 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread Laurent
IMHO, in that case this is a bug about when wildfire should be started. If the plane is actually missing a landing on water, it should be detected by the main program as it, not as a land crash. A catalina crashing on land should create fire. Deactivate wildfire for the whole environment is not the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusa der Crusader-SetBase.xml , 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread gerard robin
On dimanche 15 février 2009, Ron Jensen wrote: > On Sat, 2009-02-14 at 23:56 +0100, gerard robin wrote: > > On samedi 14 février 2009, gerard robin wrote: > > > On samedi 14 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > > * Gerard Robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > > > > > Log Message: > > > > > wit

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml, 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread Ron Jensen
On Sat, 2009-02-14 at 23:56 +0100, gerard robin wrote: > On samedi 14 février 2009, gerard robin wrote: > > On samedi 14 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > * Gerard Robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > > > > Log Message: > > > > withdraw the "game coat" > > > > > > > > + > > > > +

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml, 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread gerard robin
On samedi 14 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Gerard Robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > > Log Message: > > withdraw the "game coat" > > > > + > > + > > + false > > + > > + > > AIRCRAFT MUST *NOT* CHANGE SYSTEM SETTING! > > This s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml, 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread gerard robin
On samedi 14 février 2009, gerard robin wrote: > On samedi 14 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > * Gerard Robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > > > Log Message: > > > withdraw the "game coat" > > > > > > + > > > + > > > + false > > > + > > > +

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml, 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread gerard robin
On samedi 14 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Gerard Robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > > Log Message: > > withdraw the "game coat" > > > > + > > + > > + false > > + > > + > > AIRCRAFT MUST *NOT* CHANGE SYSTEM SETTING! > > This s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader

2009-02-14 Thread Martin Spott
Curt, Curtis Olson wrote: > Wild fires are a newly added feature to CVS, the table is wide open for > discussion if anyone cares to discuss the issue. Let's not bring our pet > peaves into the discussion, that only obfuscates the real issues. What you are trivializing by calling it our pet peev

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader

2009-02-14 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Curtis Olson -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > No I think Melchior is justified (as occasionally can be the case) :-) :-P > We could simply default wild fires to off in the preferences.xml file and > that is perhaps the thing to do. Exactly, and as I've said before: | Melchior FRANZ -- Saturd

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader

2009-02-14 Thread Curtis Olson
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Martin Spott wrote: > Curtis Olson wrote: > > > No I agree, we shouldn't be mixing policy and capability up like this. > > Well, as long as the Flightgear development crowd fails at establishing > procedures that, for example, allow to negotiate on 'moderate' syst

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader

2009-02-14 Thread Curtis Olson
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Martin Spott wrote: > Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > * Gerard Robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > >> Log Message: > >> withdraw the "game coat" > > > >> + > >> + > >> + false > >> + > >> + > > > > > > AIRCRAF

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader

2009-02-14 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis Olson wrote: > No I agree, we shouldn't be mixing policy and capability up like this. Well, as long as the Flightgear development crowd fails at establishing procedures that, for example, allow to negotiate on 'moderate' system settings (or whatever is at stake), you can't expect people to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader

2009-02-14 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Gerard Robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: >> Log Message: >> withdraw the "game coat" > >> + >> + >> + false >> + >> + > > > AIRCRAFT MUST *NOT* CHANGE SYSTEM SETTING! > > This setting disqualifies the F8 for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml, 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread Curtis Olson
No I agree, we shouldn't be mixing policy and capability up like this. These things should be set at an application level according to individual user preference, it always turns into a big mess when an aircraft author tries to change global settings from within an aircraft. It also leads to suppo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml, 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Gerard Robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > Log Message: > withdraw the "game coat" > + > + > + false > + > + AIRCRAFT MUST *NOT* CHANGE SYSTEM SETTING! This setting disqualifies the F8 for inclusion in a release. Oh, well. Why do I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] wildfire ?

2009-02-14 Thread Curtis Olson
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:44 PM, gerard robin wrote: > Sure that is usual with MSFS Games, anyhow in the aircraft Company i don't > remember simulators with such wildfire ( when the student pilot crash ) . > Has it changed ?. > > Who said, here, that FG is NOT a GAME ? :) :) :) For what i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] wildfire ?

2009-02-14 Thread gerard robin
On samedi 14 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * gerard robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > > Won't it be better to have it default "false" ? > > Yes. > > > I did not find any box within menu to modify it like we have > > with cloud , light and so on. > > Menu->Environment->Wildfire

Re: [Flightgear-devel] wildfire ?

2009-02-14 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* gerard robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > Won't it be better to have it default "false" ? Yes. > I did not find any box within menu to modify it like we have > with cloud , light and so on. Menu->Environment->Wildfire Settings > For some reason, if we don't want it ( look lik

[Flightgear-devel] wildfire ?

2009-02-14 Thread gerard robin
Hello , I noticed about wildfire the default within the preference file is true true Won't it be better to have it default "false" ? I did not find any box within menu to modify it like we have with cloud , light and so on. For some reason, if we don't want it ( look like a game :(