Re: [Flightgear-devel] BUG Landscape disappear

2009-10-24 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
Hi, On Monday 19 October 2009 11:04:42 Martin Laabs wrote: http://www.martinlaabs.de/tmp/fgfs-screen-001.png Is this terrain somewhere near sea level in altitude or is that much higher? The question means: Is terrain loaded so that you roll in effect on that terrain and that terrain is just

Re: [Flightgear-devel] BUG Landscape disappear

2009-10-24 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Hi, On Monday 19 October 2009 11:04:42 Martin Laabs wrote: http://www.martinlaabs.de/tmp/fgfs-screen-001.png We have likely dealt with this problem before. Try updating OSG. http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Howto:_Get_rid_of_common_errors# Near_camera_not_rendering Cheers, Gijs

[Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

2009-10-24 Thread Erik Hofman
Ok, I've reserved the next two days to try to pin-point the problem. For that I've taken drastic measures now; All sounds and the listener are located at 0,0,0 and all orientations are omni-directional. What this means: no distance attenuation, no relative position to the listener but only

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

2009-10-24 Thread Erik Hofman
Erik Hofman wrote: I was hoping this could lead to (for example) a NaN problem but ... I discovered this triggered the same bug for me that others have for the F-16. That was spoken too soon, the sound file couldn't be read which is why there was no sound :-/ Eirk

Re: [Flightgear-devel] least squares code

2009-10-24 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
Hi Curt, On Saturday 17 October 2009 19:47:06 Curtis Olson wrote: I will be receiving a sequence of 2d data points in real time. I will start by assuming a linear relationship/fit which I know in advance is a reasonable assumption. I would like to find a way to incrementally compute a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

2009-10-24 Thread Alasdair Campbell
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 10:39 +0200, Erik Hofman wrote: Ok, I've reserved the next two days to try to pin-point the problem. For that I've taken drastic measures now; All sounds and the listener are located at 0,0,0 and all orientations are omni-directional. What this means: no distance

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

2009-10-24 Thread Scott Hamilton
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 10:39 +0200, Erik Hofman wrote: I did a cvs update on simgear and flightgear, and I now have engine sounds, click sounds, flap transit sounds, everything is back again... S. Ok, I've reserved the next two days to try to pin-point the problem. For that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

2009-10-24 Thread Erik Hofman
Scott Hamilton wrote: On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 10:39 +0200, Erik Hofman wrote: I did a cvs update on simgear and flightgear, and I now have engine sounds, click sounds, flap transit sounds, everything is back again... Looks like we're starting to get somewhere now. Thanks for testing

[Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Main bootstrap.cxx, 1.40, 1.41 fg_init.cxx, 1.239, 1.240 main.cxx, 1.301, 1.302 splash.cxx, 1.32, 1.33

2009-10-24 Thread Bertrand Coconnier
Hi all, I am bit taken aback by this commit. Is it really where the Flight Gear community wants to go ? As far as I understand the GPL, it is legal to rename an application as long as the renamed application is still under GPL. So what is this commit intended for ? Furthermore, do you honestly

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

2009-10-24 Thread Erik Hofman
Alasdair Campbell wrote: After cvs update (SG,FG,data): alasd...@executrix:~$ fgfs Error reading properties: not well-formed at /opt/FlightGear/FlightGear_cvs/data/preferences.xml, line 56, column 2 That should be fixed by now. Erik

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Main bootstrap.cxx, 1.40, 1.41 fg_init.cxx, 1.239, 1.240 main.cxx, 1.301, 1.302 splash.cxx, 1.32, 1.33

2009-10-24 Thread Erik Hofman
Bertrand Coconnier wrote: Hi all, I am bit taken aback by this commit. Is it really where the Flight Gear community wants to go ? As far as I understand the GPL, it is legal to rename an application as long as the renamed application is still under GPL. So what is this commit intended

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

2009-10-24 Thread Alasdair Campbell
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 13:01 +0200, Erik Hofman wrote: Alasdair Campbell wrote: After cvs update (SG,FG,data): alasd...@executrix:~$ fgfs Error reading properties: not well-formed at /opt/FlightGear/FlightGear_cvs/data/preferences.xml, line 56, column 2 That should be fixed by

[Flightgear-devel] Issues with latest cvs

2009-10-24 Thread Chris Wilkinson
Hi there, I've downloaded and built fresh cvs copies of fg and sg tonite (Oct 24), and updated my osg to v2.95. When I first ran fg after the update I got a segfault when fg couldn't find part of the ac3d model of the 777-300ER, so I tried another jet (787). This time fg ran, but the terrain

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Issues with latest cvs

2009-10-24 Thread Erik Hofman
Chris Wilkinson wrote: Hi there, I've downloaded and built fresh cvs copies of fg and sg tonite (Oct 24), and updated my osg to v2.95. When I first ran fg after the update I got a segfault when fg couldn't find part of the ac3d model of the 777-300ER, so I tried another jet (787). This

Re: [Flightgear-devel] BUG Landscape disappear

2009-10-24 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, On Monday 19 October 2009 11:04:42 Martin Laabs wrote: http://www.martinlaabs.de/tmp/fgfs-screen-001.png We have likely dealt with this problem before. Try updating OSG. http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Howto:_Get_rid_of_common_errors# Near_camera_not_rendering

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Issues with latest cvs

2009-10-24 Thread George Patterson
2009/10/24 Chris Wilkinson blobster...@yahoo.com.au: Hi there, I've downloaded and built fresh cvs copies of fg and sg tonite (Oct 24), and updated my osg to v2.95. When I first ran fg after the update I got a segfault when fg couldn't find part of the ac3d model of the 777-300ER, so I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] BUG Landscape disappear

2009-10-24 Thread Heiko Schulz
I'm sure It doesn't have to do with the camera- it is indeed a complete tile that was missing ( always the next tile, but it was there on the starting airport), and this happened with fred's binary as well ( using later than OSG 2.7.6) It happened on every tile - mountain as near the sea as

Re: [Flightgear-devel] BUG Landscape disappear

2009-10-24 Thread Curtis Olson
2009/10/24 Mathias Fröhlich Hi, On Monday 19 October 2009 11:04:42 Martin Laabs wrote: http://www.martinlaabs.de/tmp/fgfs-screen-001.png Is this terrain somewhere near sea level in altitude or is that much higher? The question means: Is terrain loaded so that you roll in effect on

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Issues with latest cvs

2009-10-24 Thread Chris Wilkinson
Hi there, Perhaps I was a few minutes early grabbing the source. :-) I've now grabbed the Shaders and Effects from cvs, so the grey terrain is fixed, but the performance is still slideshow like (this laptop can do an OK job of Crysis, fg should not present that much of a challenge), and I now

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Issues with latest cvs

2009-10-24 Thread Chris Wilkinson
Thanks George, I realized that I didn't have Effects or Shaders in my data folder, so I grabbed those from cvs - the terrain is no longer grey so thats fixed, but still it runs dead slow and segfaults after a minute or 2. I'll try fixing it tomorrow as its well past sleep time in eastern

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Main

2009-10-24 Thread Martin Spott
Bertrand Coconnier wrote: I am bit taken aback by this commit. Is it really where the Flight Gear community wants to go ? These people at Flight Pro Sim are deliberately trying to decieve the FlightGear devlopment 'crew' (just think of their ridiculous attempt of calming the waves by offering

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Main bootstrap.cxx, 1.40, 1.41 fg_init.cxx, 1.239, 1.240 main.cxx, 1.301, 1.302 splash.cxx, 1.32, 1.33

2009-10-24 Thread Nicolas Quijano
I'm flabbergasted : disregarding the GPL to protect the GPL ? How novel.. Really, really misguided, and it showcases a prevalent undercurrent with some of our members, who think the GPL means something else than it really does : when something is done that doesn't sit right with their vision of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Main

2009-10-24 Thread Nicolas Quijano
Erh, he just has to take out said code, and his customers will not be the wiser, since they won't see the message. He does read the list after all. As Bertrand said, it's not going to achieve the desired result, not at all. And it's trying to work around the GPL, by doing something different if

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2009-10-24 Thread Bertrand Coconnier
Let's say that I make a fork of Flight Gear by creating a new project My Flight Simulator under SourceForge, that I make a mirror copy of the Flight Gear CVS tree under my project and that the only commit I do is to change the name of the program. Then I release everything under the GPL. After a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2009-10-24 Thread Heiko Schulz
... which is obviously an illegal statement since : 1. My copy is perfectly compliant with the GPL 2. This statement is deliberately misleading which is illegal anyway in most countries. Hence Nicolas' statement. Cheers, Agree! Interesting though all are here in developement, has a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Issues with latest cvs

2009-10-24 Thread Alasdair Campbell
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 15:02 +0200, Erik Hofman wrote: Chris Wilkinson wrote: Hi there, I've downloaded and built fresh cvs copies of fg and sg tonite (Oct 24), and updated my osg to v2.95. When I first ran fg after the update I got a segfault when fg couldn't find part of the ac3d

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2009-10-24 Thread Curtis Olson
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: Why has a such a serious project like FGFS no real support from lawyer in such things like Flight Pro Sim? I don't know about Europe, but around here civil lawyers are not a free government provided entitlement, and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2009-10-24 Thread Martin Spott
Bertrand Coconnier wrote: Let's say that I make a fork of Flight Gear by creating a new project My Flight Simulator under SourceForge, that I make a mirror copy of the Flight Gear CVS tree under my project and that the only commit I do is to change the name of the program. Then I release

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2009-10-24 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, I don't know about Europe, but around here civil lawyers are not a free government provided entitlement, and they are really expensive!  (Probably even more expensive than ball room dancing instructors.)  The same here- I hoped that it would be much easier in the USA. So our options

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

2009-10-24 Thread Ron Jensen
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 10:39 +0200, Erik Hofman wrote: Ok, I've reserved the next two days to try to pin-point the problem. For that I've taken drastic measures now; All sounds and the listener are located at 0,0,0 and all orientations are omni-directional. What this means: no distance

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2009-10-24 Thread Bertrand Coconnier
2009/10/24 Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net: Bertrand Coconnier wrote: Your problem, since you're the one who distributes this piece of software. Nope see below. which is obviously an illegal statement since : 1. My copy is perfectly compliant with the GPL 2. This statement is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Main

2009-10-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:32:17 -0400, Nicolas wrote in message 808354800910240732j3a31c2belb37bbcc2a50c8...@mail.gmail.com: Erh, he just has to take out said code, and his customers will not be the wiser, since they won't see the message. He does read the list after all. As Bertrand said,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2009-10-24 Thread Tim Moore
On 10/24/2009 05:30 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de mailto:aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: Why has a such a serious project like FGFS no real support from lawyer in such things like Flight Pro Sim? ... Neither of these

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

2009-10-24 Thread syd adams
I did a new cvs checkout of flightgear and simgear, and I now have sound again ... Althought a separate problem popped up , trying to compile FG crashed until I recompiled simgear with jpeg factory support. -- Come build

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

2009-10-24 Thread Nicolas Quijano
typo in ATCDCL/AIPlane.cxx : at line 198, sizte_t len; should be size_t len; Cheers, Nic On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 2:43 PM, syd adams adams@gmail.com wrote: I did a new cvs checkout of flightgear and simgear, and I now have sound again ... Althought a separate problem popped up , trying to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

2009-10-24 Thread Nicolas Quijano
Build with Fredb's setup, using the OpenAL Soft provided device on windows vista 64, I get multiple working sound. Of course, no distance attenuation, as you mentioned. Had to def out the the code mentioned in previous mail, because there is another bug in there that prevents building :

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2009-10-24 Thread Martin Spott
Bertrand Coconnier wrote: I am not. You are. By claiming that any modification to the program name makes it an Invalid version you are implying that the right to modify the program name is limited. This is not my claim I'm giving up, apparently it's a hopeless case, Martin. --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Main bootstrap.cxx, 1.40 , 1.41 fg_init.cxx, 1.239, 1.240 ma in.cxx, 1.301, 1.302 splash.cxx , 1.32, 1.33

2009-10-24 Thread leee
On Saturday 24 Oct 2009, Nicolas Quijano wrote: [snip...] Really, really misguided, and it showcases a prevalent undercurrent with some of our members, who think the GPL means something else than it really does [...] I think this really sums up the issue here. The GPL isn't there to protect

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

2009-10-24 Thread Vivian Meazza
Hi Nic OpenAL SDK builds here, Vivian -Original Message- From: Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 October 2009 20:44 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed Build with Fredb's setup, using the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

2009-10-24 Thread Tim Moore
On 10/24/2009 09:29 PM, Nicolas Quijano wrote: typo in ATCDCL/AIPlane.cxx : at line 198, sizte_t len; should be size_t len; Cheers, Nic Fixed. Thanks, Tim -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2009-10-24 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Don't get me wrong: I would not state that I really like Durk's move - in fact I personally didn't get to any final conclusion yet. I just think it's acceptable and, to be honest, I find it highly amusing how people are trying to attack Durk's move whithout having any

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

2009-10-24 Thread Erik Hofman
Ron Jensen wrote: On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 10:39 +0200, Erik Hofman wrote: Ok, I've reserved the next two days to try to pin-point the problem. For that I've taken drastic measures now; All sounds and the listener are located at 0,0,0 and all orientations are omni-directional. What this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2009-10-24 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: [...] If I were the guy or company we' re talking about I simply would fork the project from right before this change and then implement all changes to the code except this one. Well, Durk's 'patch' would have been an excellent probe to check if they are really serious

[Flightgear-devel] Little patch to the KT-70

2009-10-24 Thread Ron Jensen
This little patch makes the KT-70 read 888- when in self-test mode. This is the correct behavior, the current behavior, where it reads the flight level and squawk code in self-test is incorrect. Thanks, Ron Index: Instrumentation/kt_70.cxx

[Flightgear-devel] Sixe of cvs data/ tree?

2009-10-24 Thread Chris Wilkinson
Hi there, I'm pulling in the data/ folder from cvs. I note with some concern that I've only got to aircraft starting with F, and it has already been 820MB of download. I'm on mobile broadband, and get 5GB total a month, with a flat cap - no shaping, just no internet once I've reached 5GB for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sixe of cvs data/ tree?

2009-10-24 Thread Ron Jensen
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 16:00 -0700, Chris Wilkinson wrote: Hi there, I'm pulling in the data/ folder from cvs. I note with some concern that I've only got to aircraft starting with F, and it has already been 820MB of download. I'm on mobile broadband, and get 5GB total a month, with a flat

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2009-10-24 Thread James Turner
On 24 Oct 2009, at 18:19, Tim Moore wrote: I'm very inclined to back out the commit in question. It won't prevent real ripoff artists -- who wouldn't be violating any license if they removed the code themselves -- and it is very much against the hacker ethic to insert code that does