[Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread Jörg Emmerich
Congratulation to all of you having worked hard on getting the 2.6 out. So pls let me come back to my proposal for a different style of the FGFS-Manual. For several month now I made many tests with LaTeX, LyX, basic PDF, etc. - but was not able to achieve with those what I am proposing: --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread George Patterson
Why do i feel that this has been discussed multiple times before and the end result was to stick with the status quo... but anyway see below. Below I'm playing devils advocate a little bit. On 20 February 2012 20:17, Jörg Emmerich j-emmer...@online.de wrote: Congratulation to all of you having

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread thorsten . i . renk
As we accept that any professional can participate in the design, we should also trust our users to generate and maintain their manuals by themselves! FGFS, FGFS-wiki, Wikipedia, Linux, etc. etc. -- they all proved that it works! Here's an actual user commenting on the state of the Wiki:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 20.02.12 11:49, schrieb thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi: It seems you still don't understand what LaTeX is for. You can easily turn LaTeX into both html and a printed book automatically - but you can't ever turn html back into anything resembling a printed book withd ecent layout without tons of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread Martin Spott
HB-GRAL wrote: What tools can be used to convert i.E. getstart.tex into html properly ? What can you recommend? Did you ever try to convert FG .tex files into html with tools you know ? Actually we're doing this for almost a decade now. Michael Basler started using TeX4ht on Windows and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 20.02.12 12:24, schrieb Martin Spott: HB-GRAL wrote: What tools can be used to convert i.E. getstart.tex into html properly ? What can you recommend? Did you ever try to convert FG .tex files into html with tools you know ? Actually we're doing this for almost a decade now. Michael

[Flightgear-devel] New Build Process?

2012-02-20 Thread castle . 64
Just downloaded 2.6. Is the Gnu make system deprecated? Previously I used ./configure --enable-osgviewer for a multi-camera/projector system; how is that now accomplished in 2.6? Or did I miss something when extracting the files. The README* files autoconf and Linux still call the automake

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Build Process?

2012-02-20 Thread Martin Spott
castle...@comcast.net wrote: Just downloaded 2.6. Is the Gnu make system deprecated? Yup, that's been adequately discussed on this list. Please visit: http://wiki.flightgear.org/Building_using_CMake as mentioned earlier today on this very list ;-) Cheers, Martin. -- Unix

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Martin wrote: http://mapserver.flightgear.org/getstart/ I'm sure there's a link somewhere on The Wiki (if Hellosimon didn't carry out his threat of moving it into the attic ;-) It's right there, on the MAIN PAGE of the wiki! :D http://wiki.flightgear.org/Main_Page

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Build Process?

2012-02-20 Thread castle . 64
Yea, have been out of the loop for several months so missed all those discussions. The writeup on the wiki seems a little thin; oh well, will get it all worked out in due time. ;-) Regards John - Original Message - From: Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net To:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Build Process?

2012-02-20 Thread Martin Spott
castle...@comcast.net wrote: The writeup on the wiki seems a little thin; [...] that's just because CMake is s easy to use ;-)) Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Build Process?

2012-02-20 Thread Curtis Olson
Cmake definitely ships with enough rope to hang yourself with several times over. :-) Best I can say is to agree that the documentation on usage and best practices within the flightgear project is relatively light, and ask questions if you run into trouble. Out of source builds are just about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft ratings on the download page (was Re: Fair practice autorisations)

2012-02-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:49:34 +, Stuart wrote in message cap3ntytjoav9wecmued6fkfczjhrpfqsodmfim3ftmtthcm...@mail.gmail.com: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: I'm currently writing a script to generate the aircraft download page that will include ratings, so users

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Projection system question

2012-02-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:12:00 -0800 (PST), Gene wrote in message alpine.lfd.2.00.1202171711060.26...@grumble.deltasoft.com: On Mon, 13 Feb 2012, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..hopefully, the guys will have enough self discipline to stay away from something this kinky until they have the old hag

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fair practice autorisations

2012-02-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:32:47 +0100, joac...@gmx.de wrote in message 20120215203247.3ae11bce@Lenotebook: On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:38:34 +0100 Jan Mattsson jan...@gmail.com wrote: The concept of ownership does not work well with GPL. ..disagreed, and agreed, the idea is, whenever things does

[Flightgear-devel] Link error in fg make install (was git question)

2012-02-20 Thread dave perry
Hi again, Thanks for the pointers (should have checked the wiki.flightgear first). System Description: newly installed hard drive with fresh f16 install (not upgrade or preupgrade) i7 processor with nvidia GF260 XT and proprietary nvidia driver 290.10 fltk and fltk-fluid yum

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Link error in fg make install (was git question)

2012-02-20 Thread Olaf Flebbe
Hi Dave, maybe some 64/32bit mixup. Please check the compiler link command line: make VERBOSE=1 Olaf Am 20.02.2012 um 13:46 schrieb dave perry: Hi again, Thanks for the pointers (should have checked the wiki.flightgear first). System Description: newly installed hard drive with

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.6.0 for Mac - call for detail bug info known issues

2012-02-20 Thread Olaf Flebbe
Hi Tat, Indeed I have problems with almost all kind of intel graphics chips on windows, mac and linux. Most of them are shader specific artifacts, only chance is to disable shaders completly. Looks like your #5 problem. AFAII (as far as i investigated) these seem to be driver specific

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft ratings on the download page

2012-02-20 Thread kreuzritter2000
Am Freitag, den 17.02.2012, 22:21 -0500 schrieb Gary Neely: Firefox 3.6.26 doesn't show anything either, just a mostly blank gray page. WebGL is supported in Firefox 4.x or later. Best Regards, Oliver C. -- Try

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 20.02.12 19:10, schrieb Gijs de Rooy: Martin wrote: http://mapserver.flightgear.org/getstart/ I'm sure there's a link somewhere on The Wiki (if Hellosimon didn't carry out his threat of moving it into the attic ;-) It's right there, on the MAIN PAGE of the wiki! :D

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Yves wrote: The wiki links to a two years old manual ? Not anymore :D -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 20.02.12 12:24, schrieb Martin Spott: http://mapserver.flightgear.org/getstart/ Hi Martin What is the difference between the Index and the Index at bottom of contents ? ;-) Maybe there is a simple tool to check all links in the document? A lot of links goes to nowhere. i.e. in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hang Glider AirwaveXtreme maintenance

2012-02-20 Thread D-NXKT
Martin Spott wrote: D-NXKT wrote: Please let me know if you are interested in this work and to whom I could send this files (1.2MB). A merge request on Gitorious would be preferred (which requires setting up a personal clone), but in case of doubt I'd load this into GIT for you.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 20.02.12 22:46, schrieb HB-GRAL: Am 20.02.12 12:24, schrieb Martin Spott: http://mapserver.flightgear.org/getstart/ Hi Martin What is the difference between the Index and the Index at bottom of contents ? ;-) Maybe there is a simple tool to check all links in the document? A lot

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Build Process?

2012-02-20 Thread dave perry
On 02/20/2012 11:45 AM, Martin Spott wrote: castle...@comcast.net wrote: The writeup on the wiki seems a little thin; [...] that's just because CMake is s easy to use ;-)) Cheers, Martin. Thanks to the several people that responded to point me to both git and cmake

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Build Process?

2012-02-20 Thread castle . 64
Probably true if your a cmake type ;-) My immediate problem is how to express ./configure --enable-osgviewer in cmake. any notes/info on that point? John - Original Message - From: Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.6.0 for Mac - call for detail bug info known issues

2012-02-20 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
Olaf, James told me you two are talking about osgViewer issues. I'm using OSG trunk as of rev 12982 with my own patch that fixes crashes and wrong key mappings, etc... Could you tell me more detail about the important patches?. I want to know if i am missing some of these. (and I also want

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Build Process?

2012-02-20 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Tue, 21 Feb 2012, castle...@comcast.net wrote: Probably true if your a cmake type ;-) My immediate problem is how to express ./configure --enable-osgviewer in cmake. any notes/info on that point? I'm fairly sure that is the default (and possibly only option these days - or are the SDL