Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-23 Thread Martin Spott
Heiko Schulz wrote: You want to see another aircraft than the 777 because the fdm is not realistic, but you don't want to see a chopper where the fdm is highly realistic and already prooved by a real pilot. At least two real-life pilots, BTW, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-23 Thread Torsten Dreyer
As for the Dragonfly, the performance just seems unreal, thought I've never flown on myself. I think we could replace it with the Dromader, a much higher detail aircraft with a pretty extensively detailed FDM. What part of the FDM do you think is unreal? Having flown the Dragonfly

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 09:29:05 -0600, Reagan wrote in message 4d63d641.7000...@gmail.com: On 2/22/2011 8:35 AM, Gene Buckle wrote: On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Gary Neely wrote: Syd places an enormous amount of effort and care into his models. If it were me, I'd think twice before questioning

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-23 Thread Heiko Schulz
You want to see another aircraft than the 777 because the fdm is not realistic, but you don't want to see a chopper where the fdm is highly realistic and already prooved by a real pilot. At least two real-life pilots, BTW,     Martin. I was only aware of one (LinuxTag)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-22 Thread Alan Teeder
-- From: Jack Mermod jackmer...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:41 AM To: Devel List flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates I wasn't planning to get into an argument over

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-22 Thread Heiko Schulz
still in work: http://www.hoerbird.net/galerie.html But already done: http://www.hoerbird.net/reisen.html --- Jack Mermod jackmer...@gmail.com schrieb am Di, 22.2.2011: Hi, I wasn't planning to get into an argument over the 777-200, but yes it  does have an unrealistic FDM. See here:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-22 Thread Gene Buckle
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Gary Neely wrote: Syd places an enormous amount of effort and care into his models. If it were me, I'd think twice before questioning something he did, and I'd be darned sure I did my homework first, because it's certain he will have. But if he says he's interested in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-22 Thread Reagan Thomas
On 2/22/2011 8:35 AM, Gene Buckle wrote: On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Gary Neely wrote: Syd places an enormous amount of effort and care into his models. If it were me, I'd think twice before questioning something he did, and I'd be darned sure I did my homework first, because it's certain he will

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-22 Thread Ryan M
I am not a 777 pilot in real life, but I certainly agree with Jack that the FDM seems unrealistic to the casual pilot. For instance, fire up the 772ER and set the fuel tanks and payload weights to full capacity. Now make sure the flaps are set to 0. Take off, bear the blaring takeoff config

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-22 Thread Andy Ross
On 02/22/2011 04:09 PM, Ryan M wrote: I am not a 777 pilot in real life, but I certainly agree with Jack that the FDM seems unrealistic to the casual pilot. For those interested (Curt made me look at a YASim file last week for the first time in over a year, so my head happened to be in the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-22 Thread Jack Mermod
I had started this thread in hopes we would have a democracy type decision, and vote for the aircraft we think would be a best replacement. I rarely fly large jets, and usually fly helicopters, but I do think that the default jumbo jet should either have a few more restrictions so you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-22 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi Jack, I think the BO-105 could be replaced with either the EC-135 or AH-1.  The state of the BO-105 cockpit is not very good at the moment, and a  great visual model along with a good FDM is what we want. Interesting. You want to see another aircraft than the 777 because the fdm

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-22 Thread syd adams
This is much more helpful than just a 'its unrealistic' and leave it at that. I,ve been testing some changes , it does tend to lift fairly early , but I think Ive got it a little closer now.I,ve so noticed a fuel.nas error at startup , so I'll tackle that one too. Thanks for the feedback guys.I'm

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-22 Thread Ryan M
Another thing I've noticed when flying the 772ER long distances (KIND to EDDF, about 10-15% fuel consumed) is that fuel consumption seems abnormally low. I'm far from a YASim expert, but I've heard this may be due to an overly high lift ratio in the FDM. The 777's is around 193; perhaps this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-21 Thread Jack Mermod
I wasn't planning to get into an argument over the 777-200, but yes it does have an unrealistic FDM. See here: http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/891/picture5mj.png Are you telling me this is realistic too? Check Six, Jack

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-21 Thread syd adams
Well a picture isn't what i asked for , I asked for some facts to back up that 'unrealistic' statement... And Ive seen stranger things around KSFO ;) But I'm not looking for an argument , I'm looking for some suggestions on how to improve it from real world airliner pilots. Cheers On Mon, Feb

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-21 Thread Gene Buckle
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011, Jack Mermod wrote: I wasn't planning to get into an argument over the 777-200, but yes it does have an unrealistic FDM. See here: http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/891/picture5mj.png Are you telling me this is realistic too? Tex Johnson did it with a 707 that had a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-21 Thread syd adams
Reminded me of this video ... it IS a 757 , but still the performance is amazing ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vJliayH6co On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Gene Buckle ge...@deltasoft.com wrote: On Mon, 21 Feb 2011, Jack Mermod wrote: I wasn't planning to get into an argument over

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-21 Thread Jacob Burbach
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Jack Mermod jackmer...@gmail.com wrote: Are you telling me this is realistic too? No, it is notso stop flying like that... :-P Really, what is with this recent trend of bashing quite rudely on the 777? And the usual evidence is stuff like that...flying the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-21 Thread Ron Jensen
On Monday 21 February 2011 17:41:10 Jack Mermod wrote: I wasn't planning to get into an argument over the 777-200, but yes it does have an unrealistic FDM. See here: http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/891/picture5mj.png Are you telling me this is realistic too? Check Six,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candidates

2011-02-21 Thread Gary Neely
Syd places an enormous amount of effort and care into his models. If it were me, I'd think twice before questioning something he did, and I'd be darned sure I did my homework first, because it's certain he will have. But if he says he's interested in suggestions for improvements, he means it, and