Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes

2007-10-24 Thread Durk Talsma
On Wednesday 24 October 2007 00:15, Vivian Meazza wrote: Not here, I'm afraid. Very good frame rates using the Buccaneer (70+) but there are still noticeable pauses over land. None over the ocean tiles. The pauses, or hesitations do not seem to be associated with any Subsystem Timing Alert,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes

2007-10-24 Thread Vivian Meazza
Georg Vollnhals Sent: 23 October 2007 23:34 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes Vivian Meazza schrieb: Not here, I'm afraid. Very good frame rates using the Buccaneer (70+) but there are still noticeable

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes

2007-10-24 Thread Vivian Meazza
Durk Sent: 24 October 2007 07:22 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes On Wednesday 24 October 2007 00:15, Vivian Meazza wrote: Not here, I'm afraid. Very good frame rates using the Buccaneer (70+) but there

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes

2007-10-24 Thread Vivian Meazza
Heiko Schulz Sent: 23 October 2007 23:55 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes Hi, Couldn't test it, waiting that someones will do a precompiled binary for windows. But it sounds good, very good though at least

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Positioning Point of View and controlling direction I look

2007-10-24 Thread Jon Stockill
Mike Yukish wrote: More questions! So how do I change the direction in which I am viewing and the position that I am viewing from? I did not see them in the list of properties, which seemed like a good guess on where they'd be. The camera balls on aircraft typically are hanging below the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes

2007-10-24 Thread Torsten Dreyer
The Seneca is special in that it attaches listeners to YASim internal properties, which are updated multiple times per frame, unlike most other listeners, which run *at most* once per frame, but actually very rarely. Oh - wasn't it using JSBSim as fdm!? I hope that the stuttering is fixed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] backtrace dump

2007-10-24 Thread Tobias Nielsen
I was just a bit worried since it seems that there was always a problem when it tried to download that specific file.. - But as i think about it- you may actually be right... i dont know enough about how its being loaded so who knows :-) Okay, i have to give it a try as soon as i get home to my

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes

2007-10-24 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Torsten Dreyer -- Wednesday 24 October 2007: The Seneca is special in that it attaches listeners to YASim internal properties, which are updated multiple times per frame, unlike most other listeners, [...] Oh - wasn't it using JSBSim as fdm!? Indeed. I remembered that wrongly because

[Flightgear-devel] Compiling FlightGear-0.9.11-pre1

2007-10-24 Thread Nick Othieno
Hi guys, Thanks to the person who gave me pointers on how to correct the plib compile problem. I still have another problem though. I get the following error when I try to compile FlightGear-0.9.11-pre1 est-epsilon.c:13:19: error: GL/glut.h: No such file or directory est-epsilon.c: In function

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compiling FlightGear-0.9.11-pre1

2007-10-24 Thread Csaba Halász
On 10/24/07, Nick Othieno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I checked for the file glut.h in the FlightGear-0.9.11-pre1 directoty structure but it isn't there. Does anyone have ideas? I thought of excluding the whole test directory from the compile but I'm not sure of the effect. Install glut

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compiling FlightGear-0.9.11-pre1

2007-10-24 Thread Jonathan Wagner
glut.h comes with your glut installation. If you don't have glut installed, try freeglut at http://freeglut.sourceforge.net/ If you're in Linux the header files will probably be stored in /usr/share/include or similar depending on distro. Jonathan Wagner Nick Othieno wrote: Hi guys,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes

2007-10-24 Thread Thomas
Heiko, I applied the patches to plib branch (I get runtime errors with FG link against OSG 2.2 that I haven't figured out): http://www.rato.us/flightgear/builds/plib/20071024plibexe.zip -Reagan On 10/23/07, Heiko Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Couldn't test it, waiting that someones

Re: [Flightgear-devel] backtrace dump

2007-10-24 Thread Tobias Nielsen
Ill write as soon as i know anything. Nope the problem still exists - still breaks down the same place.. :-( - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compiling FlightGear-0.9.11-pre1

2007-10-24 Thread Sergey
Hello Nick, seems you are about to go a long way. For windows ( and free Microsoft compiler ) you might find useful the following page http://www.sim-ai.org/FlightGearlesson.htm ( one of the draft of set of lessons ) where all code is already compiled and tested ( for where to get compiler

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes

2007-10-24 Thread leee
On Wednesday 24 October 2007 11:21, Melchior FRANZ wrote: [snip...] Listeners should be used on properties to get notice about occasional changes. In cases where we *know* when the property changes -- once per loop or more often -- we can have the same result cheaper with a loop. (Listeners

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compiling FlightGear-0.9.11-pre1

2007-10-24 Thread Nick Othieno
Hi Sergey, Thanks. I have just sorted out that problem. I run FC5 and it seems the freeglut rpm did not install the glut sources so I just compiled and installed it. However, after doing that, I run into this error: gl-info.o: In function `main': /root/FlightGear-0.9.11-pre1/tests/gl-info.c:61:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compiling FlightGear-0.9.11-pre1

2007-10-24 Thread Sergey
Hi Nick I used freeglut http://freeglut.sourceforge.net/ with FlightGear Regards Sergey On 10/24/07, Nick Othieno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sergey, Thanks. I have just sorted out that problem. I run FC5 and it seems the freeglut rpm did not install the glut sources so I just compiled and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compiling FlightGear-0.9.11-pre1

2007-10-24 Thread Csaba Halász
On 10/24/07, Nick Othieno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is still a GLUT error but I don't know how to sort it out. What is the irc channel url? I want to set it up on gaim. Did you re-run configure (with the correct options, if you didn't install glut in a standard location)? Looks like it is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes

2007-10-24 Thread Curtis Olson
This is starting to enter the realm of my own opinions so please keep that in mind. Nasal was never intended to do work at this low level. However, the fact that it can be used to successfully model an advanced flight control system [mostly successfully] says a lot about the capabilities of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes

2007-10-24 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* leee -- Wednesday 24 October 2007: the FDM operates at a fixed rate (I believe the default is 120 Hz) but nearly everything else, afaikt, operates at the frame rate, which varies. Yes, but most Nasal code does things that influence visuals/sound (like instrument stuff, view handling, etc.),

[Flightgear-devel] FG subsystem timing/scheduling [was FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes]

2007-10-24 Thread leee
Hi Curt, thought I'd better switch the subject line:) Using C/C++ for this sort of subsystem is probably the best choice and would certainly be the best way to go once an effective framework had been developed but at the stage I was working at, I was just trying to find out if the ideas and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes

2007-10-24 Thread leee
On Wednesday 24 October 2007 18:30, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * leee -- Wednesday 24 October 2007: the FDM operates at a fixed rate (I believe the default is 120 Hz) but nearly everything else, afaikt, operates at the frame rate, which varies. Yes, but most Nasal code does things that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes

2007-10-24 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* leee -- Wednesday 24 October 2007: the A/P controllers and filters, which were the real problem, are independent of Nasal and would remain a problem until they could guarantee a fixed rate regardless of the frame rate. The FDM doesn't run at a fixed rate, either, AFAIK. Yes, it runs 120

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes

2007-10-24 Thread Melchior FRANZ
FYI: this bug is now fixed in CVS, albeit in a different way, so it's a good idea to revert that last patch in your local copies. m. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes

2007-10-24 Thread leee
On Wednesday 24 October 2007 19:15, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * leee -- Wednesday 24 October 2007: the A/P controllers and filters, which were the real problem, are independent of Nasal and would remain a problem until they could guarantee a fixed rate regardless of the frame rate. The FDM

[Flightgear-devel] Stutter/Nasal issue resolved (was: FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes)

2007-10-24 Thread Andy Ross
Csaba Halász wrote: Don't know if Melchior and Andy have arrived at anything while I was away, but here is what I found. Yup, that's exactly it. New nasal objects are added to a temporary bin when they are created, because further allocation might cause a garbage collection to happen before

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes

2007-10-24 Thread Curtis Olson
On 10/24/07, leee wrote: Hmm... I always thought that it ran asynchronously from the rest of FG, at a steady rate. Surely this can't be a good thing? It really seems to me that the only subsystem in FG where variable timing won't cause a problem is the display, where it doesn't matter if

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compiling FlightGear-0.9.11-pre1

2007-10-24 Thread Nick Othieno
Thanks for the info. I successfully compiled. Now when I run fgfs, I get the following error: Model Author: Unknown Creation Date: 2002-01-01 Version: $Id: c172p.xml,v 1.18 2007-01-15 12:50:45 ehofman Exp $ Description: Cessna C-172 Audio initialization failed! Could not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear/Plib periodic stutter notes

2007-10-24 Thread leee
On Wednesday 24 October 2007 19:41, Curtis Olson wrote: On 10/24/07, leee wrote: Hmm... I always thought that it ran asynchronously from the rest of FG, at a steady rate. Surely this can't be a good thing? It really seems to me that the only subsystem in FG where variable timing won't