Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot tuning

2010-01-28 Thread James Turner
On 28 Jan 2010, at 04:00, syd adams wrote: you can also check the instrumentation/nav/nav-loc , but it seems to stay stuck on true if you tune another frequency that's out of range or invalid... not sure when that broke. My fault, just checked the code and it's trivial to fix. WIl commit

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot tuning

2010-01-28 Thread James Turner
On 28 Jan 2010, at 03:45, Ron Jensen wrote: Here is a nasal function to determine if a frequency is a localizer. It accepts a frequency in megahertz and returns 1 if the frequency is an ILS frequency. var isILS=func(freq) { if(freq 108.10) return 0; if(freq 111.95) return 0; var

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot tuning

2010-01-28 Thread James Turner
On 28 Jan 2010, at 09:18, James Turner wrote: My fault, just checked the code and it's trivial to fix. WIl commit it ASAP. Committed now - also made the same fix for 'has-gs' which was similarly getting stuck on the old value when no valid station was tuned. James

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Atlas assert on apt.dat.gz

2010-01-28 Thread Martin Spott
Jari Häkkinen wrote: Atlas does not like the current apt.dat.gz because of string 'SOUTH' on line 119725: I've fixed hepilad name assignments for two airfields, please pull the current file from FlightGear's CVS and check if it's now working as expected. Actually this bunch of airfield

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Deprecating Nasal?

2010-01-28 Thread leee
On Thursday 28 Jan 2010, Curtis Olson wrote: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Ron Jensen w...@jentronics.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 09:24 +, James Turner wrote: On 28 Jan 2010, at 03:45, Ron Jensen wrote: Here is a nasal function to determine if a frequency is a localizer.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Deprecating Nasal?

2010-01-28 Thread Curtis Olson
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:15 AM, leee wrote: I think that as a general rule of thumb, Nasal is suitable for relatively low update rate aircraft specific stuff - let's say up to 10-20 Hz, but anything that has to run at a higher rate is better implemented in controllers filters, or coded

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Deprecating Nasal?

2010-01-28 Thread James Turner
On 28 Jan 2010, at 16:31, Curtis Olson wrote: It's interesting though how much nasal you can actually get away with using without making a blip on frame rates. Nasal is *very* efficient and powerful for being an interpreted script language. Absolutely - and I really don't want to get into

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Deprecating Nasal?

2010-01-28 Thread Roland
Hi all, if you have duplicate code across many airplanes, let's say basic navigation or basic instruments, you may still want to write a pure Nasal library which holds generic functionality. Another things is byte-compilation. This is a hybrid of classic interpreters and classic compilers. And

Re: [Flightgear-devel] new MP server / Netherlands

2010-01-28 Thread Csaba Halász
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Brant Gipson ioncannon21...@gmail.com wrote: Contact the domain owner to get a subdomain like mpserver12.flightgear.org Posting here usually qualifies as contacting the domain owner :D By the way, I think something should be done about 02. It is way too overused

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nasal?

2010-01-28 Thread Curtis Olson
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Roland rol...@mxchange.org wrote: Another things is byte-compilation. This is a hybrid of classic interpreters and classic compilers. And it is e.g. done in Java or Python. I don't want to start a discussing here if they are good or bad languages but they

Re: [Flightgear-devel] new MP server / Netherlands

2010-01-28 Thread Roland
Hi, internal balancing would be nice. Here is an example conservation between FGFS and FGMS: FGFS: Connects to 01. FGMS01: Reports back that it is full (10 pilots online, e.g.) and includes 03 in its response. 01 knows, that 03 has 3 pilots online FGFS: Reconnects to 03 FGMS03: Reports 3 online

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nasal?

2010-01-28 Thread Roland
Oh sorry, I wasn't aware of that. :-) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation Stay online with enterprise data centers

Re: [Flightgear-devel] new MP server / Netherlands

2010-01-28 Thread Rob Shearman, Jr.
From: Csaba Halász: By the way, I think something should be done about 02. It is way too overused and seems to have some intermittent relaying problems (even though it is supposed to have IP filtering now). I don't know if the problems are caused by the overload or not, though. What do you think

Re: [Flightgear-devel] new MP server / Netherlands

2010-01-28 Thread Csaba Halász
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Rob Shearman, Jr. rmsj...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not certain about either of the below two statements, so take them with a grain of salt: (1) 02 is filtering out North American IPs as a solution for the excessive bandwidth issues.  However, is this not also

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Deprecating Nasal?

2010-01-28 Thread Martin Spott
Ron Jensen wrote: Actually, I disagree with this statement, and it represents a fundamental shift in attitude from the way I've seen flightgear's development progressing over the past year or two. Well, you're implying that the past two years progress in this area of development is to be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Deprecating Nasal?

2010-01-28 Thread Detlef Faber
Am Donnerstag, den 28.01.2010, 18:18 +0100 schrieb Roland: [...] And one thing more when I read the subject line which came across me: How many airplane developer will you loose if you remove the Nasal engine from FGFS because they can write Nasal code but not C++ code? The instant loss may

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot tuning

2010-01-28 Thread Jari Häkkinen
I can't read Nasal so I can't say if the function below is correct. For what it is worth: A frequency between 108.100 and 111.950 (including end points) is a localizer frequency if the first decimal is an odd number. Jari On 2010-01-28 04.45, Ron Jensen wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 09:06

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Deprecating Nasal?

2010-01-28 Thread Martin Spott
Roland wrote: And one thing more when I read the subject line which came across me: How many airplane developer will you loose if you remove the Nasal engine from FGFS because they can write Nasal code but not C++ code? Didn't you realize that this is just one single person spreading FUD in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Deprecating Nasal?

2010-01-28 Thread Jari Häkkinen
Why change the subject? James did not ask for deprecating Nasal, he simply wanted to avoid multiple implementation of functionality. Less error prone and if the available functionality does not fit ones need, then fall back on Nasal (or C++). Cheers, Jari On 2010-01-28 16.20, Ron Jensen

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot tuning

2010-01-28 Thread Curtis Olson
Nasal is like C, C++, perl, and php in many ways so if you can read any of those, you should be pretty confident that what you think nasal is doing is what it's actually doing. Writing nasal code from scratch is harder of course because it requires knowledge of all the picky language syntax

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Deprecating Nasal?

2010-01-28 Thread Curtis Olson
I think Ron started out with this subject line. I tried to change it, but everyone is replying to the original thread. I don't think anyone is trying to depricate nasal. They'd have a big fight on their hands if they did try! Curt. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Jari Häkkinen

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Deprecating Nasal?

2010-01-28 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott wrote: [...] Not every Perl, Python, PHP programmer (just to name a few popular ones) is writing everything on the basis of nothing than the scope of the API which is implemented in the core Perl distribution. Oooops, Freudian slip ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user

[Flightgear-devel] Helicopter Flightsim Event

2010-01-28 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Hi, while searching for flightsim events I came across the Flight Simulator Convention at the Helicopter Museum in Weston Super Mare, North Somerset, United Kingdom. As FlightGear is being promoted (by some) as the most realistic heli sim of the three big players (MSFS, X-Plane and FG) it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot tuning

2010-01-28 Thread Jari Häkkinen
For me the Nasal function looks strange. I can't understand what the addition of 0.001 to freq does? For me it seems to be a waste of precious CPU time. Jari On 2010-01-28 21.39, Curtis Olson wrote: Nasal is like C, C++, perl, and php in many ways so if you can read any of those, you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Helicopter Flightsim Event

2010-01-28 Thread Curtis Olson
I just saw a show on TV about the Erickson Aircrane. The flightgear aircrane is spectacular. Maybe we could demonstrate building a 400m radio tower out of 10m sections (virtually) with it? I saw a real aircrane in person up close at Oshkosh last summer and was even more impressed with the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Atlas assert on apt.dat.gz

2010-01-28 Thread Jari Häkkinen
The new apt.dat.gz works for me. Thanks, Jari On 2010-01-28 11.17, Martin Spott wrote: Jari Häkkinen wrote: Atlas does not like the current apt.dat.gz because of string 'SOUTH' on line 119725: I've fixed hepilad name assignments for two airfields, please pull the current file from

Re: [Flightgear-devel] new MP server / Netherlands

2010-01-28 Thread HB-GRAL
Csaba Halász schrieb: By the way, I think something should be done about 02. It is way too overused and seems to have some intermittent relaying problems (even though it is supposed to have IP filtering now). I don't know if the problems are caused by the overload or not, though. What do you

[Flightgear-devel] Featurerequest [VATSIM-Network PlugIn for Flightgear]

2010-01-28 Thread Peter Meyer
Hi @List Iam a Member of the German located VA-Airrescue Squadron. Right now we are flying with MSFS 9/10 (X) on VATSIM Virtual Airspace Systemgrid, using the Squeakbox and its Wrapper, the terrible FSIn PlugIn for the MSFS. VATSIM has almost 11 Million Virtual Pilots and follows realistic

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Featurerequest [VATSIM-Network PlugIn for Flightgear]

2010-01-28 Thread Victhor Foster
AFAIK there's a person working on that, and we can't integrate VATSIM support on FG because of their NDA and obvious issues with the GPL. A proxy can be used to talk between FG and a VATSIM client, but no VATSIM code should be included with FG, only the proxy code. That's what that guy is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] new MP server / Netherlands

2010-01-28 Thread Csaba Halász
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:13 PM, HB-GRAL flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: Csaba Halász schrieb: By the way, I think something should be done about 02. It is way too overused and seems to have some intermittent relaying problems (even though it is supposed to have IP filtering now). I don't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Featurerequest [VATSIM-Network PlugIn for Flightgear]

2010-01-28 Thread Peter Meyer
Hi Vic, Thadt sounds verry good! Do you remember wich Guy is working on the VATSIM PlugIn and how i can find the Docs and Specs of the VATSIM Protocoll and where is the Projected in general located? Greetings from Stuttgart, Peter - Ursprüngliche Mail Von: Victhor Foster

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Featurerequest [VATSIM-Network PlugIn for Flightgear]

2010-01-28 Thread Victhor Foster
Yes, but he's working on a proxy app that interfaces with a VATSIM client called sb747. Hi Vic, Thadt sounds verry good! Do you remember wich Guy is working on the VATSIM PlugIn and how i can find the Docs and Specs of the VATSIM Protocoll and where is the Projected in general located?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Deprecating Nasal?

2010-01-28 Thread Ron Jensen
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 20:25 +, Martin Spott wrote: Roland wrote: And one thing more when I read the subject line which came across me: How many airplane developer will you loose if you remove the Nasal engine from FGFS because they can write Nasal code but not C++ code? Didn't you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Deprecating Nasal?

2010-01-28 Thread Ron Jensen
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 21:39 +0100, Jari Häkkinen wrote: Why change the subject? James did not ask for deprecating Nasal, he simply wanted to avoid multiple implementation of functionality. Less error prone and if the available functionality does not fit ones need, then fall back on Nasal

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot tuning

2010-01-28 Thread Ron Jensen
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 21:21 +0100, Jari Häkkinen wrote: I can't read Nasal so I can't say if the function below is correct. For what it is worth: A frequency between 108.100 and 111.950 (including end points) is a localizer frequency if the first decimal is an odd number. Jari Right,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot tuning

2010-01-28 Thread Ron Jensen
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 21:59 +0100, Jari Häkkinen wrote: For me the Nasal function looks strange. I can't understand what the addition of 0.001 to freq does? For me it seems to be a waste of precious CPU time. Jari var bar=int((freq+0.001)*10)-int(freq)*10; The 0.001 ensures we get the

[Flightgear-devel] Flight Gear Education CD - 2020

2010-01-28 Thread Pete Morgan
The idea is to create a Distribution for use in schools. FG will hopefully be used in the following lessons. * Geography * Geology * Physics * Technical Drawing * Art * Drama * Cooking and food * Maths * woodwork * english To make it the DeFacto, we all need to get our act together. Thats the

[Flightgear-devel] Money and Contributions

2010-01-28 Thread Pete Morgan
I would gladly make a contribution to FlightGear. My small contrib would be around £10 per quarter and I would expect this cash to go towards: * Maintaining servers online and similar Is that mechanism in place ? Is FlightGear.com TradeMark in place? Is there a way I can take FlightGear and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] new MP server / Netherlands

2010-01-28 Thread Olivier JACQ
The MP conversation is interesting. Why should people choose between one or another MP Server : 1. Because it is written in the doc (Wiki, ...) 2. Because they check their latency from their location (which is the best option). 3. Because they choose it based on its location. I don't really

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Helicopter Flightsim Event

2010-01-28 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hello, I just saw a show on TV about the Erickson Aircrane.  The flightgear aircrane is spectacular.  Maybe we could demonstrate building a 400m radio tower out of 10m sections (virtually) with it?  I saw a real aircrane in person up close at Oshkosh last summer and was even more impressed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] new MP server / Netherlands

2010-01-28 Thread Pete Morgan
Olivier JACQ wrote: The MP conversation is interesting. Why should people choose between one or another MP Server : 1. Because it is written in the doc (Wiki, ...) 2. Because they check their latency from their location (which is the best option). 3. Because they choose it based on its

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Helicopter Flightsim Event

2010-01-28 Thread Pete Morgan
My birthday is may 16.. and am near Swansea .. cunning flight plan coming... pete Gijs de Rooy wrote: Hi, while searching for flightsim events I came across the Flight Simulator Convention at the *Helicopter Museum in Weston Super Mare, North Somerset, United Kingdom*. As

[Flightgear-devel] GUI dialogs suck

2010-01-28 Thread Pete Morgan
* they do not maintain last position * Cant be resized * label over flow spacing * no Validation on entry * Changes are sometimes immediate, even tapping in or deleting a figure, makes the entries applies to SIM REAL time key entry.. eg trying to change heading from 270 to 280, means

Re: [Flightgear-devel] new MP server / Netherlands

2010-01-28 Thread Oliver Schroeder
The easiest way for balancing serverload is, in my opinion, a round robin dns entry. So users simply connect to mpserver.flightgear.org, which resolvs to mpserver01, mpserver02 etc in round robin. A more sophisticated solution is, that the server checks the connecting client IP and sends back