[Flightgear-devel] FAA Certification based on FG

2009-01-17 Thread Tom Betka
Interesting post by John Denker... While I have no real comment about the Airbus issue (other than to say that is was a great job of piloting a stricken aircraft), I can comment on the status of a project to get Flight Gear FAA-certified. As several of you may know, four of us are working on a pr

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 1.9.1

2009-01-17 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi Tim, On Sunday 11 January 2009 21:07:25 Tim Moore wrote: > > I propose that the 1.9.1 release be made from these "maint" branches. This > would let progress continue in CVS while hopefully achieving some stability > in a maintenance release. If current committers would like write access to > th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] real pilot training using FlightGear ... or not

2009-01-17 Thread John Denker
On 01/17/2009 10:11 PM, Alex Perry wrote: > Procedural trainers are useful and the FAA has a minimum specification > (PCATD) which determines how much fidelity is needed to ensure a net > positive training value for the student. FlightGear does not > currently meet that standard. Agreed. But is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] real pilot training using FlightGear ... or not

2009-01-17 Thread Alex Perry
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:54 PM, John Denker wrote: > On 01/17/2009 05:47 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: >> You are expecting a complete cockpit enclosure, instruments, radio hardware, >> instructor station software, plush seat, and FAA certification for free? >> The FAA doesn't certify a software applic

[Flightgear-devel] real pilot training using FlightGear ... or not

2009-01-17 Thread John Denker
On 01/17/2009 05:47 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > You are expecting a complete cockpit enclosure, instruments, radio hardware, > instructor station software, plush seat, and FAA certification for free? > The FAA doesn't certify a software application (well unless you are looking > at a PCATD and even

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Simgear : Patch for Sun Solaris 10 + Sun

2009-01-17 Thread Csaba Halász
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Martin Spott wrote: > "Csaba Hal??sz" wrote: > >> I have never been near a solaris machine, but sure, post errors and we'll >> see :) > > Thanks for your offer, no obligation implicated ;-) > > I put the output of 'make -k' here: > > http://foxtrot.mgras.net/sta

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-17 Thread John Wojnaroski
Curtis Olson wrote: >On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 6:30 PM, John Denker wrote: > > > >>On 01/17/2009 05:16 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: >> >> >> >>>http://www.atcflightsim.com/index.html >>> >>> >>If I may be permitted to answer in kind: >> >>http://www.atcflightsim.com/pricing.html >> >> >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-17 Thread Curtis Olson
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:00 PM, John Wojnaroski wrote: > Or for that matter > > http://www.lfstech.com/index.html Good point. :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- This SF.net email is spons

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-17 Thread John Wojnaroski
Curtis Olson wrote: >On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM, syd adams wrote: > > > >>So, how about it? Who is serious about going down that >>road? >>I am , for one, which is why I dont get the apperent need to impress the >>general user community... I didn't think we were creating a game here... >>

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-17 Thread Curtis Olson
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 6:30 PM, John Denker wrote: > On 01/17/2009 05:16 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > > > http://www.atcflightsim.com/index.html > > If I may be permitted to answer in kind: > > http://www.atcflightsim.com/pricing.html You are expecting a complete cockpit enclosure, instruments, r

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-17 Thread John Denker
On 01/17/2009 05:16 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > http://www.atcflightsim.com/index.html If I may be permitted to answer in kind: http://www.atcflightsim.com/pricing.html -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Co

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-17 Thread Martin Spott
"syd adams" wrote: > Input is always appreciated , with facts and docs to back it up , but not > the "its wrong because I say so" kind of help ... Well put ! Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Simgear : Patch for Sun Solaris 10 + Sun

2009-01-17 Thread Martin Spott
"Csaba Hal??sz" wrote: > I have never been near a solaris machine, but sure, post errors and we'll see > :) Thanks for your offer, no obligation implicated ;-) I put the output of 'make -k' here: http://foxtrot.mgras.net/static/SimGear_SunStudio11.log.bz2 Apparently most of the error messa

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-17 Thread Curtis Olson
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM, syd adams wrote: > So, how about it? Who is serious about going down that > road? > I am , for one, which is why I dont get the apperent need to impress the > general user community... I didn't think we were creating a game here... > I'm currently more interested

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-17 Thread Curtis Olson
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > Many of you recall the hijacked airliner than ran out of fuel ten or > fifteen years ago. The resulting ditching didn't turn out so well, with most > people drowning. That was on the ocean near the shore. In the recent case, > it appears that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-17 Thread syd adams
So, how about it? Who is serious about going down that road? I am , for one, which is why I dont get the apperent need to impress the general user community... I didn't think we were creating a game here... I'm currently more interested in getting the glass cockpits to behave realistically , but s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-17 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> Hi Folks -- > > I suppose you've heard about the Airbus A320 that ditched > in the Hudson river, in the shadow of downtown Manhattan, on > Thursday. As crashes go, it must be considered a success, > since there were no fatalities and almost no serious > injuries. > > Around here it has receive

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Simgear : Patch for Sun Solaris 10 + Sun Studio

2009-01-17 Thread Csaba Halász
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Martin Spott wrote: > "Vikas N Kumar" wrote: > >> Below is the patch to allow Sun Studio 11 compilers to compile SimGear >> on Solaris 10 for SPARC cleanly. > > Would anyone be (seriously!) willing to deal with Solaris/SunStudio > portability issues which I'm unabl

[Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-17 Thread John Denker
Hi Folks -- I suppose you've heard about the Airbus A320 that ditched in the Hudson river, in the shadow of downtown Manhattan, on Thursday. As crashes go, it must be considered a success, since there were no fatalities and almost no serious injuries. Around here it has received around-the-clo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Could not open file: Segmentation fault; Was: Sound problem with CVS Sun 15th Dec

2009-01-17 Thread Csaba Halász
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Martin Spott wrote: > nevertheless I'm surprised to see a missing XML config file > segfaulting the entire simulation (current CVS, Linux AMD64). I am not :) -- Csaba/Jester Index: src/FDM/JSBSim/models/FGFCS.cpp =

[Flightgear-devel] Could not open file: Segmentation fault; Was: Sound problem with CVS Sun 15th Dec

2009-01-17 Thread Martin Spott
While you're talking about the C310: When I'm trying to load the "c310dpm-3d", I'm getting the following error: Could not open file: [...]/data/Aircraft/c310/c310ap.xml Segmentation fault This is easy to cure by commenting the AP-related lines in 'c310.xml' (done), nevertheless I'm surprised to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fail to compile FlightGear

2009-01-17 Thread 黄志勇
Csaba/Jester: Oh, Yes, I didn't fetch newest SimGear sources! Thanks for your help! 在2009-01-17,"Csaba Halász" 写道: >On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, 黄志勇 wrote: >> I fetch the newest source code from FlightGear cvs repository. >> But I compile failed. Error messages like these: >> >> 2>e:\flig

Re: [Flightgear-devel] MP Liveries for Boeing 737-300

2009-01-17 Thread Csaba Halász
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Durk Talsma wrote: > > One thing to consider is that with OSG, we can consider merging "real" > aircraft, and their AI counterparts back into a single aircraft (IIRC, LOD > management is much better in OSG than it was in PLIB). I am all for that. It would be a fir

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] initialize all per-tank attributes as well in Aircraft/controls.cxx

2009-01-17 Thread Csaba Halász
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Csaba Halász wrote: > More valgrind fixes. Includes the previous one. Fred, thanks for the commit. Unfortunately I forgot about the boost pumps, so here is a follow-up. -- Csaba/Jester Index: src/Aircraft/controls.cxx ===

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fail to compile FlightGear

2009-01-17 Thread Csaba Halász
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, 黄志勇 wrote: > I fetch the newest source code from FlightGear cvs repository. > But I compile failed. Error messages like these: > > 2>e:\flight gear cvs\source\src\traffic\schedule.cxx(582) : error C2039: > 'distanceNm' : is not a member of 'SGGeoc' > > What's wrong

[Flightgear-devel] Fail to compile FlightGear

2009-01-17 Thread 黄志勇
I fetch the newest source code from FlightGear cvs repository. But I compile failed. Error messages like these: 2>e:\flight gear cvs\source\src\traffic\schedule.cxx(582) : error C2039: 'distanceNm' : is not a member of 'SGGeoc' 2>e:\flight gear cvs\simgear\simgear\math\sggeoc.hxx(26) :

Re: [Flightgear-devel] MP Liveries for Boeing 737-300

2009-01-17 Thread Durk Talsma
On Thursday 15 January 2009 18:18:05 Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Stuart Buchanan -- Thursday 15 January 2009: > [+26 liveries] > > > My view is that they should be kept with the aircraft. > > Of course, liveries should generally be kept with the aircraft. > But how many? Do 50 liveries for an aircraf