Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
On Saturday 12 May 2007 22:01:42 Matthias Boerner wrote: Hallo Georg, I have done a fresh checkout of OSG, PLIB, SimGear and FlightGear today at 3 pm in the afternoon. Everything compiled without a problem. But I don't realize a drop in frame rates. But in contrast to my last checkout of 24th April I get about 10-20 frames more. So I think everything is fine with OSG. Regards Matthias Well, on this evidence I just done a completed update on OSG/SG/FG... and back I go to 5 fps at KSFO. Also now I do not see 'sea' outside the tile I have - here is the scene at FHAW (Ascention Is. right in the middle of the Atlantic). You will also see I have 13 fps here in the PC - before I used to get upward of 43 FPS here. http://www.nick.ukfsn.org/fg/issue.png Something is wrong. Nick - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
On Sat 12 May 2007 23:01, Matthias Boerner wrote: Hallo Georg, I have done a fresh checkout of OSG, PLIB, SimGear and FlightGear today at 3 pm in the afternoon. Everything compiled without a problem. But I don't realize a drop in frame rates. But in contrast to my last checkout of 24th April I get about 10-20 frames more. So I think everything is fine with OSG. Regards Matthias Hello Mathias, Your 10-20 frames more, seems to me very poor regarding the comparison, i get from 10 to 15 fps with the recent one and a now with that old one i recover from 60 to 85, which is a huge difference. BTW: with the same FG version built PRE_OSG_PLIB_20061029 i get a lower frame rate from 55 to 75 with every options activated (3D clouds, Shadoww, .) Theses differences indicate that FG OSG could be equivalent to FG PLIB, probably better. That dramatic loss of performance with the lasts OSG version, is not normal. Regards -- Gérard - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
Hello Gerard, Hello Mathias, Your 10-20 frames more, seems to me very poor regarding the comparison, i get from 10 to 15 fps with the recent one and a now with that old one i recover from 60 to 85, which is a huge difference. I get an performance increase from about 80/90 fps to 100/110 fps. My average frame rate is about 90/100. So in my environment which is probably not that different to yours (except hardware) I do not have a performace decrease with OSG that some people and you described here. I don't use any fancy optimization parameters: -march=k8 -O2 -pipe, that's all. What is your environment, and what are your compile parameters? Regards Matthias - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
On Sun 13 May 2007 17:41, Matthias Boerner wrote: Hello Gerard, Hello Mathias, Your 10-20 frames more, seems to me very poor regarding the comparison, i get from 10 to 15 fps with the recent one and a now with that old one i recover from 60 to 85, which is a huge difference. I get an performance increase from about 80/90 fps to 100/110 fps. My average frame rate is about 90/100. So in my environment which is probably not that different to yours (except hardware) I do not have a performace decrease with OSG that some people and you described here. I don't use any fancy optimization parameters: -march=k8 -O2 -pipe, that's all. What is your environment, and what are your compile parameters? Regards Matthias Hello Mathias, Right, your FPS has nothing to do with mine The Computer which run FG is: With LInux fedora core 5 Cpu AMD Athlon XP3200 (32 bit) Memory 3 GB DDR dual channel 3200 GPU NVIDIA 7800GS 500MZ Memory 512 Mo DDR3 700MZ AGP 8 driver 1.0-9755 SG built with ./configure --prefix= FG built with /configure --prefix= --with-simgear= --enable-sdl FG-OSG run with --geometry=1800x1440 --bpp=32 --enable-real-weather-fetch --timeofday=afternoon --prop:/sim/startup/save-on-exit=false Nothing else significant BTW: no dual cpu, no PCI-e graphic card Regards -- Gérard - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
Hello Gerard, The Computer which run FG is: With LInux fedora core 5 ok, I have fedora core 6 Cpu AMD Athlon XP3200 (32 bit) Memory 3 GB DDR dual channel 3200 CPU AMD Athlon 64 4000+ (no dual core) Memory 2 GB ECC DDR dual channel 3200 GPU NVIDIA 7800GS 500MZ Memory 512 Mo DDR3 700MZ AGP 8 driver 1.0-9755 GPU NVIDIA 6600GT 500 MHz Memory 128 DDR3 1000MHz PCI-E driver 1.0-9755 SG built with ./configure --prefix= Same with me, except all FG stuff is in my home directory, so I have to use --with-plib, etc. FG built with /configure --prefix= --with-simgear= --enable-sdl I do not use SDL because freeglut is fixed FG-OSG run with --geometry=1800x1440 --geometry=1280x1024 --bpp=32 dito --enable-real-weather-fetch --timeofday=afternoon --prop:/sim/startup/save-on-exit=false I don't use this ones... But: --enable-game-mode and the already mentioned compiler flags. Regards Matthias - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
On Sat 12 May 2007 02:29, Georg Vollnhals wrote: Georg Vollnhals schrieb: Just as a feedback, compiled without problem with the latest SimGear/FlightGear CVS. Now my old framerates are back. Really a big difference! There are several strange little display errors but I can live with that until OSG svn is usable again. Gérard, merci beaucoup once again :-) Regards Georg Hello Georg, Thanks for your feedback. In order to give a more precise information, which could interest everybody That SVN version is entry committed-rev=6465 committed-date=2007-04-10T11:09:38.755579Z repos=http://www.openscenegraph.com/svn/osg; revision=6465/ -- Gérard - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
Hallo Georg, I have done a fresh checkout of OSG, PLIB, SimGear and FlightGear today at 3 pm in the afternoon. Everything compiled without a problem. But I don't realize a drop in frame rates. But in contrast to my last checkout of 24th April I get about 10-20 frames more. So I think everything is fine with OSG. Regards Matthias On Friday 11 May 2007 22:30:06 Georg Vollnhals wrote: gh.robin schrieb: Again, After many research, i have found an OSG svn/cvs version which suit to me, good frame rate close to that one i get with plib (plib with 3D clouds and shadow). That version is dated 10-04-2007. Regards Hi Gérard, as my OSG framerate has dropped from 85 to 13 I want to go back to the OSG version you mention. Can you help me and tell me what command for *svn* to use to download the version 10-04-2007? Thank you very much in advance Regards Georg EDDW - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
On 5/10/07, Nick Warne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am surprised nobody using CVS/SVN FG/SG/OSG reports this issue (or replied to this) - there was a lot of chatter about it in IRC. The OSG SVN from last friday works for me as usual (with SG/FG CVS from the same time). I have given the exact revision in IRC, I can't tell at the moment. I heard there were some updates to FG over the weekend, I don't have those yet. Greets, Csaba - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
On Fri 11 May 2007 15:28, Csaba Halász wrote: On 5/10/07, Nick Warne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am surprised nobody using CVS/SVN FG/SG/OSG reports this issue (or replied to this) - there was a lot of chatter about it in IRC. The OSG SVN from last friday works for me as usual (with SG/FG CVS from the same time). I have given the exact revision in IRC, I can't tell at the moment. I heard there were some updates to FG over the weekend, I don't have those yet. Greets, Csaba Again, After many research, i have found an OSG svn/cvs version which suit to me, good frame rate close to that one i get with plib (plib with 3D clouds and shadow). That version is dated 10-04-2007. Regards -- Gérard - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
gh.robin schrieb: Again, After many research, i have found an OSG svn/cvs version which suit to me, good frame rate close to that one i get with plib (plib with 3D clouds and shadow). That version is dated 10-04-2007. Regards Hi Gérard, as my OSG framerate has dropped from 85 to 13 I want to go back to the OSG version you mention. Can you help me and tell me what command for *svn* to use to download the version 10-04-2007? Thank you very much in advance Regards Georg EDDW - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
On Fri 11 May 2007 22:30, Georg Vollnhals wrote: gh.robin schrieb: Again, After many research, i have found an OSG svn/cvs version which suit to me, good frame rate close to that one i get with plib (plib with 3D clouds and shadow). That version is dated 10-04-2007. Regards Hi Gérard, as my OSG framerate has dropped from 85 to 13 I want to go back to the OSG version you mention. Can you help me and tell me what command for *svn* to use to download the version 10-04-2007? Thank you very much in advance Regards Georg EDDW Hello Georg, Because, i have a lot of backup (SG/FG/OSG) , i did rebuilt FG with an older OSG (10-04-2007) i had kept. Not from a new download The best, i guess, for you is to download from my URL the sources. I have built a tar.gz file which contains OpenSceneGraph, OpenThreads, Producer all of them from cvs/svn 10-04-2007. here the link http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/OSG-7-0410.tar.gz Regards -- Gérard LFMO,LFNH - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
gh.robin schrieb: Hello Georg, Because, i have a lot of backup (SG/FG/OSG) , i did rebuilt FG with an older OSG (10-04-2007) i had kept. Not from a new download The best, i guess, for you is to download from my URL the sources. I have built a tar.gz file which contains OpenSceneGraph, OpenThreads, Producer all of them from cvs/svn 10-04-2007. here the link http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/OSG-7-0410.tar.gz Regards Gérard, many, many thanks for your help! I just downloaded your files and will make a new OSG build this night. It will help me a lot to get my OSG FG running again usable :-) Have a nice weekend. Regards Georg - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
Georg Vollnhals schrieb: gh.robin schrieb: Hello Georg, Because, i have a lot of backup (SG/FG/OSG) , i did rebuilt FG with an older OSG (10-04-2007) i had kept. Not from a new download The best, i guess, for you is to download from my URL the sources. I have built a tar.gz file which contains OpenSceneGraph, OpenThreads, Producer all of them from cvs/svn 10-04-2007. here the link http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/OSG-7-0410.tar.gz Regards Gérard, many, many thanks for your help! I just downloaded your files and will make a new OSG build this night. It will help me a lot to get my OSG FG running again usable :-) Have a nice weekend. Regards Georg Just as a feedback, compiled without problem with the latest SimGear/FlightGear CVS. Now my old framerates are back. Really a big difference! There are several strange little display errors but I can live with that until OSG svn is usable again. Gérard, merci beaucoup once again :-) Regards Georg - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
On Thursday 10 May 2007 00:23:01 gh.robin wrote: On Mon 7 May 2007 17:05, Nick Warne wrote: Hi all, There seems to be an issue, reported by a few in IRC. Latest build from SVN/CVS makes FG unusable. Frame rates are (for me) at least 60% worse. E.g. pc7 at FHAW - before 43 - today after updates, 18. Lightning at KSFO - before 19 - today after updates 6 (unusable). Nick That issue remark look like an other previous topic Frame rates. As far i could understand in IRC , that problem could be solved when using an older OSG cvs version. I have tried to find which OSG cvs version could suit to our request. I did not find any. Is it possible to have an official OSG package working with the recent SG/FG cvs, in order to have an acceptable frame rate ? I solved the issue (so I can at least use FG/OSG again) by using the last OSG CVS version (not SVN): OpenSceneGraph Library 1.2 But I had to remove the call: camera-setAllowEventFocus(false); in redout.cxx and splash.cxx to get it to build. I am surprised nobody using CVS/SVN FG/SG/OSG reports this issue (or replied to this) - there was a lot of chatter about it in IRC. Nick - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
Nick Warne wrote On Thursday 10 May 2007 00:23:01 gh.robin wrote: On Mon 7 May 2007 17:05, Nick Warne wrote: Hi all, There seems to be an issue, reported by a few in IRC. Latest build from SVN/CVS makes FG unusable. Frame rates are (for me) at least 60% worse. E.g. pc7 at FHAW - before 43 - today after updates, 18. Lightning at KSFO - before 19 - today after updates 6 (unusable). Nick That issue remark look like an other previous topic Frame rates. As far i could understand in IRC , that problem could be solved when using an older OSG cvs version. I have tried to find which OSG cvs version could suit to our request. I did not find any. Is it possible to have an official OSG package working with the recent SG/FG cvs, in order to have an acceptable frame rate ? I solved the issue (so I can at least use FG/OSG again) by using the last OSG CVS version (not SVN): OpenSceneGraph Library 1.2 But I had to remove the call: camera-setAllowEventFocus(false); in redout.cxx and splash.cxx to get it to build. I am surprised nobody using CVS/SVN FG/SG/OSG reports this issue (or replied to this) - there was a lot of chatter about it in IRC. I'm using osg-svn which is a couple of days old on Win XP, P4 2.8, 1.5 Gb RAM, nVidia 6200 256 Kb RAM. While frame rates are not good, and are a bit down on earlier versions, it's usable with 25-35 fps at KSFO with the Hurricane. Vivian - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
On Mon 7 May 2007 17:05, Nick Warne wrote: Hi all, There seems to be an issue, reported by a few in IRC. Latest build from SVN/CVS makes FG unusable. Frame rates are (for me) at least 60% worse. E.g. pc7 at FHAW - before 43 - today after updates, 18. Lightning at KSFO - before 19 - today after updates 6 (unusable). Nick That issue remark look like an other previous topic Frame rates. As far i could understand in IRC , that problem could be solved when using an older OSG cvs version. I have tried to find which OSG cvs version could suit to our request. I did not find any. Is it possible to have an official OSG package working with the recent SG/FG cvs, in order to have an acceptable frame rate ? Thanks -- Gérard - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Latest OT/OSG/SG/FG unusable
Hi all, There seems to be an issue, reported by a few in IRC. Latest build from SVN/CVS makes FG unusable. Frame rates are (for me) at least 60% worse. E.g. pc7 at FHAW - before 43 - today after updates, 18. Lightning at KSFO - before 19 - today after updates 6 (unusable). Nick - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
