Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR loading rules

2011-03-03 Thread thorsten . i . renk
The metar realwx controller checks every 60 seconds for a station reporting metar and loads that data if the station id has changed since the last check. It also rechecks the metar every 15 minutes for the unchanged station. Okay, so every 60 seconds, the controller * determines what the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR wrong, at least on one airport

2010-11-19 Thread Guy Brand
On Nov 15, Guy Brand wrote: So I ran the metar command from the CLI to see what it told. That gives the same result for this particular airport. I was using git revision 0917a5e0. Upgrading to the current git revision 5bb247d4 also shows the same result. I haven't found another airport for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR wrong, at least on one airport

2010-11-17 Thread Torsten Dreyer
But would it be possible to accept old data, just not time going backwards. I feel any METAR data is better than none, so perhaps; 1. accept any any valid METAR data, log warning message if it is old, 2. don't update METAR data if the date is older than current METAR date, log severe

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR wrong, at least on one airport

2010-11-16 Thread Torsten Dreyer
If I check the METAR data for LFST using another program (AeroWeather on the iPhone for example or the metar utility for debian from the http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/metar package), I receive correct METAR data for LFST. So METAR fetching in FlightGear is wrong. FlightGear uses

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR wrong, at least on one airport

2010-11-16 Thread Guy Brand
On Nov 16, Torsten Dreyer wrote: FlightGear uses NOAA as a data source for METAR. The url to fetch the data is http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/.txt where xxx is the ICAO 4-Letter code of the airport in uppercase. We simply rely on the NOAA data - if the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR wrong, at least on one airport

2010-11-16 Thread Scott Hamilton
On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 17:52 +0100, Torsten Dreyer wrote: If I check the METAR data for LFST using another program (AeroWeather on the iPhone for example or the metar utility for debian from the http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/metar package), I receive correct METAR data for LFST.

[Flightgear-devel] METAR wrong, at least on one airport

2010-11-15 Thread Guy Brand
Hello Today I noticed this on the terminal: NoaaMetarRealWxController::fetchMetar(): dropping outdated METAR 2010/11/12 16:00 LFST 121600Z 19009KT 170V230 BKN030 13/09 Q1004 NOSIG NoaaMetarRealWxController::fetchMetar(): dropping outdated METAR 2010/11/12 16:00 LFST 121600Z 19009KT

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR wrong, at least on one airport

2010-11-15 Thread Martin Spott
Guy Brand wrote: Today I noticed this on the terminal: NoaaMetarRealWxController::fetchMetar(): dropping outdated METAR 2010/11/12 16:00 LFST 121600Z [...] These are three days old. Current (almost) METAR looks like this: jive: 21:25:32 ~ metar LFST LFST 152000Z AUTO 34003KT 320V020

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR wrong, at least on one airport

2010-11-15 Thread Torsten Dreyer
2010/11/12 16:00 LFST 121600Z 19009KT 170V230 BKN030 13/09 Q1004 NOSIG So I ran the metar command from the CLI to see what it told. That gives the same result for this particular airport. I was using git revision 0917a5e0. Upgrading to the current git revision 5bb247d4 also shows the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-13 Thread ThorstenB
Unfortunately this means METAR is broken (probably permanently) for all previous FG versions now... As a follow-up to the METAR issue: there actually is a workaround for FG 1.9.x and 2.0 - by using a proxy server. The requests sent by FG to a configured proxy server are fine. And the actual

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-07 Thread Durk Talsma
On 05 Nov 2010, at 20:37, ThorstenB wrote: Anyway, what are the plans for the next FG release? Hi Thorsten, I have a gut feeling we might just have chatted about this; but anyways, after December 15 (approximately), My immediate workload is settling down a bit, and hoping that we may

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-07 Thread James Turner
On 7 Nov 2010, at 18:58, Durk Talsma wrote: I have a gut feeling we might just have chatted about this; but anyways, after December 15 (approximately), My immediate workload is settling down a bit, and hoping that we may pull a build off of the hudson machine, it should be too hard to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-07 Thread Gene Buckle
On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, James Turner wrote: On 7 Nov 2010, at 18:58, Durk Talsma wrote: I have a gut feeling we might just have chatted about this; but anyways, after December 15 (approximately), My immediate workload is settling down a bit, and hoping that we may pull a build off of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-07 Thread Frederic Bouvier
- Gene Buckle a écrit : Fred, is there any advantage to using VS2010 to build the Windows binaries with over the VS2008 compiler? I don't follow the C++ side of the house so I don't know of any compiler improvements that FG would benefit from. I'd stick to VS2008 until the next fg

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-06 Thread fierst42
Thanks. I think it is pretty inconsiderate of the NOAA to change this two days before our largest flightsim event worldwide :-D But as you pointed out, METAR will have stopped working for older releases too. Which is even worse. m Op 05-11-10 20:37, ThorstenB schreef: That was a problem

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-06 Thread Maik Justus
Hello, to avoid this happen again in the future: Is it possible to add a metar-server functionality to the mpservers? If the NOAA protocol / access changes we only have to modify the mpservers, not the clients? Maik m schrieb am 06.11.2010 09:30: Thanks. I think it is pretty inconsiderate

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-06 Thread James Turner
On 6 Nov 2010, at 08:46, Maik Justus wrote: to avoid this happen again in the future: Is it possible to add a metar-server functionality to the mpservers? If the NOAA protocol / access changes we only have to modify the mpservers, not the clients? Just to be clear, NOAA aren't being

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-06 Thread fierst42
Hmmm Something is not quite right yet. I have recompiled simgear and fgfs. I had METAR info this morning, but now after a restart, it says NIL again. Intermittend... Is METAR info read on more than one place? m -- The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-06 Thread fierst42
Funny, I disabled METAR for global weather in the GUI and later set it to Live Data again, and now it is collecting METAR info again... without restarting. m Op 06-11-10 12:09, fiers...@zonnet.nl schreef: Hmmm Something is not quite right yet. I have recompiled simgear and fgfs. I had

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-06 Thread Ron Jensen
On Saturday 06 November 2010 03:51:28 James Turner wrote: On 6 Nov 2010, at 08:46, Maik Justus wrote: to avoid this happen again in the future: Is it possible to add a metar-server functionality to the mpservers? If the NOAA protocol / access changes we only have to modify the mpservers,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:33 -0600, Ron wrote in message 201011061223.33277.w...@jentronics.com: I looked at the NOAA site last night. http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/ There are some seriously old metar files mixed in there!

[Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-05 Thread fierst42
Recompiled all very early this morning. I have just noticed that in global weather, there is no METAR data. METAR source is set to live data. In the METAR data box I read 'NIL'. Something broke the METAR updates? m

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-05 Thread James Turner
On 5 Nov 2010, at 08:16, fiers...@zonnet.nl wrote: Recompiled all very early this morning. I have just noticed that in global weather, there is no METAR data. METAR source is set to live data. In the METAR data box I read 'NIL'. Something broke the METAR updates? Torsten has been

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-05 Thread Erik Hofman
On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 09:54 +, James Turner wrote: On 5 Nov 2010, at 08:16, fiers...@zonnet.nl wrote: Recompiled all very early this morning. I have just noticed that in global weather, there is no METAR data. METAR source is set to live data. In the METAR data box I read 'NIL'.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-05 Thread Heiko Schulz
Another option would be that the metar server is unavailable .. checking, jup: metar EHAM ERROR: no metar data available from at http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/EHAM.TXT I guess the same, I run a older GIT from early Octobre, and METAR worked two days

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR stopped working

2010-11-05 Thread Martin Fenelon
On Friday 05 November 2010 10:21, Heiko Schulz wrote: Another option would be that the metar server is unavailable .. checking, jup: metar EHAM ERROR: no metar data available from at http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/EHAM.TXT I guess the same, I run a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] --metar and --enable-real-weather-fetch

2009-12-20 Thread Stuart Buchanan
John Denker wrote: On 05/24/2009 02:58 AM, Torsten Dreyer wrote in part: Step #2 Add an option --metar= - this implies --disable-real-weather-fetch and set scenario to METAR - make the metar string editable in the weather_scenario dialog This option needs some changes in the logic of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] --metar and --enable-real-weather-fetch

2009-12-20 Thread John Denker
On 12/20/2009 12:54 PM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: I believe --metar= 012345Z 0KT 99SM CLR 59/M01 A2992 is a correct and useful example ... but somebody should double check. Thanks for the example - I'll include it in the docs. My only comment is that I thought the temperature was

Re: [Flightgear-devel] --metar and --enable-real-weather-fetch

2009-12-20 Thread Peter Brown
As a separate issue: With rare exceptions, the largest visibility you will see reported in a metar is 10SM (in the US) or (meters, elsewhere). This is a problem for real-weather fetch, because the _reported_ visibility can be significantly less than the _real_ visibility. I have tried to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] --metar and --enable-real-weather-fetch

2009-12-20 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Peter Brown -- Sunday 20 December 2009: IMHO there is no choice other than the bold solution- anything reported as 10SM = unlimited, and 9.99 and less is actual. And so guaranteeing the lowest possible frame rate? Sounds like a truly bad idea. The whole thing has been discussed before.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] --metar and --enable-real-weather-fetch

2009-12-20 Thread Peter Brown
its a way to weed out the gamer... Just thoughts I'm sure were considered before. Peter Brown --Original Message-- From: Melchior FRANZ To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net ReplyTo: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] --metar and --enable-real-weather

Re: [Flightgear-devel] --metar and --enable-real-weather-fetch

2009-12-20 Thread Melchior FRANZ
I had looked at some research papers at that time, which were about estimating visibility from other, measurable factors. I stopped when Thomas announced his solution. My original idea was a simple formula, based on the idea that: - visibility is derived from humidity (high humidity - low

Re: [Flightgear-devel] --metar and --enable-real-weather-fetch

2009-12-20 Thread Peter Brown
: Melchior FRANZ To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net ReplyTo: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] --metar and --enable-real-weather-fetch Sent: Dec 20, 2009 5:18 PM I had looked at some research papers at that time, which were about estimating visibility from

Re: [Flightgear-devel] --metar and --enable-real-weather-fetch

2009-12-19 Thread John Denker
On 05/24/2009 02:58 AM, Torsten Dreyer wrote in part: Step #2 Add an option --metar=arbitrary handcoded METAR - this implies --disable-real-weather-fetch and set scenario to METAR - make the metar string editable in the weather_scenario dialog This option needs some changes in the logic of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] --metar

2009-12-13 Thread Stuart Buchanan
John Denker wrote: I have some basic questions about the --metar command-line option. AFAICT the getstart.pdf manual doesn't mention this option. That's correct - we've still to complete the updates to the manual for the upcoming release. However, it's on my TODO list. If you want to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] --metar

2009-12-13 Thread Csaba Halász
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Stuart Buchanan stuart_d_bucha...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: A I recall, Torsten implemented that feature. There was a description of it on the -dev list a couple of months back, but I've been unable to locate it myself in the archive. Here you go:

[Flightgear-devel] --metar

2009-12-12 Thread John Denker
I have some basic questions about the --metar command-line option. AFAICT the getstart.pdf manual doesn't mention this option. The --verbose --help message mentions the option, and implies that it takes an argument ... but doesn't say anything about the syntax or semantics of the argument. I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR++ or: live wind aloft data for FlightGear

2009-02-21 Thread Vadym Kukhtin
2009/2/19 Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de: Comments welcome. All works fine, thank you very much for this feature. From now long-range flights got new level of realism. -- --- WBR, Vadym. -- Open Source Business

[Flightgear-devel] METAR++ or: live wind aloft data for FlightGear

2009-02-19 Thread Torsten Dreyer
Hi, as a proof of concept, I have a little hack that provides live wind aloft data for FlightGear. A draft can be found here: http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Howto:_Fetch_live_aloft_data Comments welcome. Torsten

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR interpolation?

2008-12-21 Thread Stuart Buchanan
I wrote : Csaba wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: The patch below backs out that change. Unfortunately this means the change to the cloud coverage due to changing METAR will not be reflected in the 3D clouds (2D clouds are unaffected).

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR interpolation?

2008-12-20 Thread Nicolas
You're right. That's why I have implemented quickly a smooth changement precipitations. I think that the changement should be refactoring. Mostly for wind... Regards, Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 14:35 -0600, Curtis Olson a écrit : I just did a cross country flight with the latest CVS

[Flightgear-devel] METAR interpolation?

2008-12-19 Thread Curtis Olson
I just did a cross country flight with the latest CVS cloud/weather/metar changes and I noticed that the weather interpolation that smoothed out abrubt changes to wind and clouds when a new METAR report comes in seems to have now been lost. We are back to abrubt wind and cloud changes. I haven't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR interpolation?

2008-12-19 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Curt wrote: I just did a cross country flight with the latest CVS cloud/weather/metar changes and I noticed that the weather interpolation that smoothed out abrubt changes to wind and clouds when a new METAR report comes in seems to have now been lost. We are back to abrubt wind and cloud

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR interpolation?

2008-12-19 Thread Csaba Halász
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Stuart Buchanan stuart_d_bucha...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The patch below backs out that change. Unfortunately this means the change to the cloud coverage due to changing METAR will not be reflected in the 3D clouds (2D clouds are unaffected). Unfortunately I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR interpolation?

2008-12-19 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Csaba wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: The patch below backs out that change. Unfortunately this means the change to the cloud coverage due to changing METAR will not be reflected in the 3D clouds (2D clouds are unaffected). Unfortunately I don't think it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] METAR interpolation?

2008-12-19 Thread Ron Jensen
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 23:30 +, Stuart Buchanan wrote: Csaba wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: The patch below backs out that change. Unfortunately this means the change to the cloud coverage due to changing METAR will not be reflected in the 3D

[Flightgear-devel] METAR Patch (was : no subject)

2008-12-17 Thread Stuart Buchanan
I wrote: Subject: Hi All, Attached is a very small patch that fixes the issue reported by Martin where --prop:/environment/weather-scenario=METAR had no effect. I think this is a pretty safe patch that should be included in the release. -Stuart Sorry for the lack of subject.

[Flightgear-devel] METAR update failuere on Windows / Linux with local time BIOS configuration

2008-02-06 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
Hi, I've been discussing with Japanese FlightGear users about METAR update failure on 1.0.0. It seems that METAR update fails when BIOS time is set to local time (JST, GMT+ 9) on Windows (and probably on Linux). According to windows users, launching fgfs with --log-level=warn outputs METAR