Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml , 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-15 Thread gerard robin
On dimanche 15 février 2009, Nicolas Quijano wrote: > Gerard, you're not getting it : if I want wildfire to spread when I crash a > Crusader, you shouldn't have a say in it, period. > Let me try to explain it from the user's perspective : a user of both the > dev's creation, the simulation, and in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml , 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-15 Thread Nicolas Quijano
Gerard, you're not getting it : if I want wildfire to spread when I crash a Crusader, you shouldn't have a say in it, period. Let me try to explain it from the user's perspective : a user of both the dev's creation, the simulation, and in this case, your a/c. I'm the one piloting the Crusader, and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml , 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-15 Thread Alexis Bory - xiii
gerard robin wrote: > I was STUPID since, i thought that the modelers were free to create > the Aircraft in order to answer to these old criteria ( best FDM, eye > candy). I noticed now that we are dependent of some constraints, we > must accept anything coming from the mind of DEVELOPPER who

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml , 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-15 Thread gerard robin
On dimanche 15 février 2009, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:36:30 + (GMT), Stuart wrote in message > > > ..then you have exotic compromises like crashing on ice, dead stick > landings in methane clouds downwind of broken pipelines, ripe full > hydrazine tanks as you ditch in free

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml , 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-15 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Sébastien MARQUE -- Sunday 15 February 2009: > I'm quite "surprised" not to see someone purpose an other solution which > is only to override wildfire.ignite() function in a single aircraft, as > we are used to do for brakes, or starting engines. That's because this is *still* wrong. This is a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml, 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-15 Thread Sébastien MARQUE
Hi all, I understand the both point of view about wildfire and "gaming" issues. but I think that changing wildfire-on-crash property is not a good solution because it is registered, but it is also a problem if an aircraft designer wants to create his own crash animation. I'm quite "surprised"

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml , 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-15 Thread gerard robin
On dimanche 15 février 2009, Detlef Faber wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 15.02.2009, 09:45 +0100 schrieb Detlef Faber: > > Am Samstag, den 14.02.2009, 23:15 +0100 schrieb gerard robin: > > > On samedi 14 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > > * Gerard Robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > > > > > Lo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml , 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:36:30 + (GMT), Stuart wrote in message <628624.58015...@web26003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>: > > gerard robin wrote: > > On dimanche 15 février 2009, Ron Jensen wrote: > > > Respectfully I must disagree with you here. This is a system > > > feature and should not be adjuste

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml, 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-15 Thread Detlef Faber
Am Sonntag, den 15.02.2009, 09:45 +0100 schrieb Detlef Faber: > Am Samstag, den 14.02.2009, 23:15 +0100 schrieb gerard robin: > > On samedi 14 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > * Gerard Robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > > > > Log Message: > > > > withdraw the "game coat" > > > > > > > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml, 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-15 Thread Detlef Faber
Am Samstag, den 14.02.2009, 23:15 +0100 schrieb gerard robin: > On samedi 14 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > * Gerard Robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > > > Log Message: > > > withdraw the "game coat" > > > > > > + > > > + > > > + false > > > +

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml , 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread gerard robin
On dimanche 15 février 2009, Laurent wrote: > IMHO, in that case this is a bug about when wildfire should be > started. If the plane is actually missing a landing on water, it > should be detected by the main program as it, not as a land crash. A > catalina crashing on land should create fire. Deac

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml , 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread Stuart Buchanan
gerard robin wrote: > On dimanche 15 février 2009, Ron Jensen wrote: > > Respectfully I must disagree with you here. This is a system feature > > and should not be adjusted in random aircraft -set files. It is > > properly set in preferences.xml and autosave.xml, not each aircraft -set > > file

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml , 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread Laurent
IMHO, in that case this is a bug about when wildfire should be started. If the plane is actually missing a landing on water, it should be detected by the main program as it, not as a land crash. A catalina crashing on land should create fire. Deactivate wildfire for the whole environment is not the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml, 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread Ron Jensen
On Sat, 2009-02-14 at 23:56 +0100, gerard robin wrote: > On samedi 14 février 2009, gerard robin wrote: > > On samedi 14 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > * Gerard Robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > > > > Log Message: > > > > withdraw the "game coat" > > > > > > > > + > > > > +

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml, 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread gerard robin
On samedi 14 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Gerard Robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > > Log Message: > > withdraw the "game coat" > > > > + > > + > > + false > > + > > + > > AIRCRAFT MUST *NOT* CHANGE SYSTEM SETTING! > > This s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml, 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread gerard robin
On samedi 14 février 2009, gerard robin wrote: > On samedi 14 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > * Gerard Robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > > > Log Message: > > > withdraw the "game coat" > > > > > > + > > > + > > > + false > > > + > > > +

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml, 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread gerard robin
On samedi 14 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Gerard Robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > > Log Message: > > withdraw the "game coat" > > > > + > > + > > + false > > + > > + > > AIRCRAFT MUST *NOT* CHANGE SYSTEM SETTING! > > This s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml, 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread Curtis Olson
No I agree, we shouldn't be mixing policy and capability up like this. These things should be set at an application level according to individual user preference, it always turns into a big mess when an aircraft author tries to change global settings from within an aircraft. It also leads to suppo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/F-8E-Crusader Crusader-SetBase.xml, 1.23, 1.24

2009-02-14 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Gerard Robin -- Saturday 14 February 2009: > Log Message: > withdraw the "game coat" > + > + > + false > + > + AIRCRAFT MUST *NOT* CHANGE SYSTEM SETTING! This setting disqualifies the F8 for inclusion in a release. Oh, well. Why do I