Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer Funfly.
I think neither the list nor the forum is the forum, though announcements could be posted to either. The wiki is a closer match, but what's really needed is something that is A) bookmarkable, and B) has an RSS feed (or feeds if there are distinct event types that people might want to subscribe to independently, but that seems like overkill for now). On Jan 2, 2008 11:04 AM, Stuart Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Hans Fugal wrote: I for one would never know about them in that case. I don't and won't follow any forums. Equally, there are those who don't and won't follow any mailing lists :) I think I may guilty of mixing up the message and the delivery mechanism here. The main point is that there should be a location which will easily allow people to: - Post information about upcoming events. - Sign up for and ask questions about those events ahead of time. I don't feel that the -user or -devel list is the place as the events may be some months in the future. Neither is the main FG website, as Curt doesn't have the bandwidth to continually update it. The Forums seem a fairly good place, and are quite popular with newcomers to FG. You don't need to log on to view the posts, so an announcement to the -user list with a link direct to the post would hopefully pass muster. If you were to screw up your eyes, you could pretend that it was a static web page ;) The wiki would be an alternative, but it isn't as easy for people to ask questions on a forum. I expect that in reality, more organizers will want to advertize events as widely as possible - to the forums and the -user list. Maybe the answer is for the events to be posted to the wiki so they can be linked to? I think an additional category on the Forums would be a good idea even if people post information to a wiki and simply use it as an announcement board. It would probably galvanize new people to try setting up their own events, and it wouldn't clog up the General Help board any more than it is already. -Stuart __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Hans Fugal Fugal Computing - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer Funfly.
--- Hans Fugal wrote: Sounds like fun was had by all. I hope to catch the next event. Another funfly would be fun, but here's another idea that takes less coordination, and so could be done more frequently. We could have a fly-in from time to time. The airport and time chosen in advance, and people can fly in with their favorite aircraft. If we all aim to arrive at roughly the same time, the traffic could be quite interesting. We could even use chat as a CTAF, though we'll conveniently forget to invite the virtual FAA. I suggest that the best way to coordinate these sort of events would be through the FligherGear Forums, as it would allow them to be announced well in advance without the messages getting lost as they might be on the list. Curt - could you create a new Forum for this please? I suggest a label of Virtual Fly-Ins and Events, and a text description of Virtual fly-ins, fly-outs, competitions and other multi-player events. Find out details of up-coming events, sign up for competitions, or organize your own tour of a favourite location. -Stuart __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer Funfly.
--- Hans Fugal wrote: I for one would never know about them in that case. I don't and won't follow any forums. Equally, there are those who don't and won't follow any mailing lists :) I think I may guilty of mixing up the message and the delivery mechanism here. The main point is that there should be a location which will easily allow people to: - Post information about upcoming events. - Sign up for and ask questions about those events ahead of time. I don't feel that the -user or -devel list is the place as the events may be some months in the future. Neither is the main FG website, as Curt doesn't have the bandwidth to continually update it. The Forums seem a fairly good place, and are quite popular with newcomers to FG. You don't need to log on to view the posts, so an announcement to the -user list with a link direct to the post would hopefully pass muster. If you were to screw up your eyes, you could pretend that it was a static web page ;) The wiki would be an alternative, but it isn't as easy for people to ask questions on a forum. I expect that in reality, more organizers will want to advertize events as widely as possible - to the forums and the -user list. Maybe the answer is for the events to be posted to the wiki so they can be linked to? I think an additional category on the Forums would be a good idea even if people post information to a wiki and simply use it as an announcement board. It would probably galvanize new people to try setting up their own events, and it wouldn't clog up the General Help board any more than it is already. -Stuart __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer Funfly.
Hi all, and happy new year, I arrive a little after the battle, so I couldn't participate to this event, but anyway I really wish to see more and more events using mp. Each month a part of the the French community takes place to fly with each other around remodelled terrains and sceneries sitting in France. The first sunday of each month (next one the 6th of january), indeed. For sure this time and place is almost only French speaking as some of us have troubles with Sheakespeare's native language :D but surely it has absolutely no restrictions and everyone is welcome. Moreover I wanted to talk about an special event type : rallyes. Indeed, the rules are quite simple: you have to follow a route, as best as you can, not only the fastest as possible, but in an certain amount of time (depending of aircraft you use). I wrote a little script in perl intented to be the contest director, and to count bonus and malus (given in seconds). Creating a route, and the rules (scale, check points, duration, etc.) is rather simple and made by a conf file. I have some routes (created by Pierre Geoffroy), but haven't taken the time to create the rallye, btw if someone is interested in managing such an event, here is the script: http://seb.marque.free.fr/fichiers/flightgear/check_logs (perl) and here a conf example: http://seb.marque.free.fr/fichiers/flightgear/waypoints it is feeded by the fgms log files. hope someone will find this interesting enough to continue what I haven't succeeded in, by a lack of time (most common excuse I know ;)). best regards seb ps: I have to modify a little bit the script in order to allow entering the beginning and ending date of the event in the conf file. If you've got questions about the script I'll be very pleased to answer as quick as I can. Stuart Buchanan a écrit : --- Hans Fugal wrote: Sounds like fun was had by all. I hope to catch the next event. Another funfly would be fun, but here's another idea that takes less coordination, and so could be done more frequently. We could have a fly-in from time to time. The airport and time chosen in advance, and people can fly in with their favorite aircraft. If we all aim to arrive at roughly the same time, the traffic could be quite interesting. We could even use chat as a CTAF, though we'll conveniently forget to invite the virtual FAA. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer Funfly.
Funfly Update: Just a reminder, the funfly is 1600 GMT (note the corrected time) which is 10am USA Central time if anyone wants to double check my math one last time. That is in about an hour from now. I have created a web page for this event to help with communication. The page will be updated once the list of participants is determined and as each event is announced. Hopefully this will help those who have trouble reading MP chat messages or who might miss a key message. Have this web page loaded in a browser window so you can refresh it periodically during the competition: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/funfly/ There have been a boatload of folks already hanging around KHAF today which is great, but if we have too many people we may need to limit the number of actual competitors and let the rest of you just watch this time. We'll see if we can make it work out. Remember, I'm trying this for the very first time so have a little patience with me! :-) Let's have some fun! Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer Funfly.
On Dec 31, 2007 1:25 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: I am thinking it would be fun to schedule a multi-player fun fly tomorrow (New Year's Day). The FunFly is now complete! We had 9 active participants and at least 9 spectators, maybe more at times. I think everyone had a good time. It was really fun to see all the airplanes concentrated together like that! I think someone brought their camera, so we will post pictures at some point when the film is developed. I have posted the final results here: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/funfly/ Thanks to everyone who participated and spectated. Happy 2008! Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer Funfly.
Curtis Olson wrote: The FunFly is now complete! We had 9 active participants and at least 9 spectators, maybe more at times. I think everyone had a good time. It was really fun to see all the airplanes concentrated together like that! I think someone brought their camera, so we will post pictures at some point when the film is developed. I have posted the final results here: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/funfly/ Thanks to everyone who participated and spectated. Happy 2008! Yes, this was a really good fun and a nice idea to start the year with. Many thanks to our dirsty-walking-in-the-hills CD :) Alexis - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer Funfly.
Hi Curt, thank you very much for this great event. Unfortunately my hardware forced me to be a spectator (due to thermal problems my notebook throttles down after some minutes of flightgear; I need to clean the cooling system again. And I am thinking about buying a new computer). What could help us with such competitions would be an client, which assists in the time-recording. Like a state machine, which responds on chat-messages and has a state for every mp-aircraft. With a chat message like competition the state of a mp-player changes to a new state, which checks for groundspeed 1 kts. The next state could be groundspeed 10 kts (with time stamp). The next state could be groundspeed 1 kts, with reporting of the difference to the last time stamp. This can be enhanced witch checks for positions, additional messages, checks for aircraft-type, checks for plausibility of speed and acceleration, checks for orientation, additional scoring (penalties), included web-server with best of day, best of week, best of ever grouped by aircraft. All this for several competitions, activated by different chat-messages of the competitor. With such a system the todays events could be rated very easy. And events like the red bull racing or reno air racing could be possible. Anyone interested in coding such a client? And I like Hans idea of Fly Ins (with basic ATC?) (and with sight seeing tours...) Maik Curtis Olson schrieb am 01.01.2008 18:26: On Dec 31, 2007 1:25 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: I am thinking it would be fun to schedule a multi-player fun fly tomorrow (New Year's Day). The FunFly is now complete! We had 9 active participants and at least 9 spectators, maybe more at times. I think everyone had a good time. It was really fun to see all the airplanes concentrated together like that! I think someone brought their camera, so we will post pictures at some point when the film is developed. I have posted the final results here: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/funfly/ http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/funfly/ Thanks to everyone who participated and spectated. Happy 2008! Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/ Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer Funfly.
On 1/1/08, Maik Justus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I like Hans idea of Fly Ins (with basic ATC?) (and with sight seeing tours...) Maik At around 12:00 GMT there were four to six pilots out there practicing so the fly-in is not a bad idea for an all or more event with maybe the main event taking place at a particular time. Cover all the time zones. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer Funfly.
On Jan 1, 2008 2:29 PM, Robert Black wrote: At around 12:00 GMT there were four to six pilots out there practicing so the fly-in is not a bad idea for an all or more event with maybe the main event taking place at a particular time. Cover all the time zones. I'd love to see a couple people pull lead on this and start organizing a variety of regular events at different times and places. I like funfly contests like this morning where some skill and competition and good natured ribbing is involved, but no one can practice so the playing field is more level. I also think group flys would be great fun ... congregate somewhere and do something ... an interesting route, an interesting challenge, etc. You would get a lot more flying and less sitting around watching. It would also be fun to have semi-serious aerobatic competitions. And I'm sure there are other fun things we could do too. I think there may be a group or two dabbling in virtual airlines. Sometimes it's nice to be able to fly on your own time or schedule too, but be participating in something larger. The FlightGear multiplayer system gives us a tremendous opportunity to have a lot of fun. We can use group fly ins to highlight certain scenery areas that deserve attention, or highlight specific aircraft models that people may not have noticed yet. A sailplane/soaring competition would be another fun one. Maybe we sign up a couple tow operators who stay busy towing people up, and then see who can stay aloft the longest. Another angle that could be fun is to come up with some team competitions. How about a sky diving competition? If we can do aero towing, can we attach MP skydivers to a jump plane. Then individuals can choose when to jump out and the person that gets closest to the target wins? We'd probably need an improved parachuter model ... might be a fun project for someone ... Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer Funfly.
Hi Curt, Curtis Olson schrieb am 01.01.2008 21:54: A sailplane/soaring competition would be another fun one. Maybe we sign up a couple tow operators who stay busy towing people up, and then see who can stay aloft the longest. Sounds great. E. g. build teams with one tow aircraft and one glider each. All teams start at the same time. All tow aircrafts need to land within 200s at a small runway and then see, which glider lands last (on the small runway). Maik Another angle that could be fun is to come up with some team competitions. How about a sky diving competition? If we can do aero towing, can we attach MP skydivers to a jump plane. Then individuals can choose when to jump out and the person that gets closest to the target wins? We'd probably need an improved parachuter model ... might be a fun project for someone ... Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/ Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer Funfly.
On Tue, 2008-01-01 at 22:22 +0100, Maik Justus wrote: Hi Curt, Curtis Olson schrieb am 01.01.2008 21:54: A sailplane/soaring competition would be another fun one. Maybe we sign up a couple tow operators who stay busy towing people up, and then see who can stay aloft the longest. Sounds great. E. g. build teams with one tow aircraft and one glider each. All teams start at the same time. All tow aircrafts need to land within 200s at a small runway and then see, which glider lands last (on the small runway). Maik Hard to score perhaps, but: - Teams launch at intervals from KSFO. - Gliders recover at KHAF, Tow Aircraft land back at KSFO. - Time is calculated as total flight time of both aircraft from takeoff to touchdown. Fastest time wins. How about a sky diving competition? If we can do aero towing, can we attach MP skydivers to a jump plane. Then individuals can choose when to jump out and the person that gets closest to the target wins? We'd probably need an improved parachuter model ... might be a fun project for someone ... I was playing with the paraglider fdm and model awhile ago... http://www.jentronics.com/fgfs/paraglider.tgz Regards, Ron - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer Funfly.
Am Montag, 31. Dezember 2007 20:25 schrieb Curtis Olson: I am thinking it would be fun to schedule a multi-player fun fly tomorrow (New Year's Day). This sounds like pure fun! I have never really tried the dhc2w but expect me to be in! See you all tomorrow (if my wife gives me an hour off...)! Torsten - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
