Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-28 Thread HB-GRAL
Allerta (modified): http://www.sablonier.ch/flightgear/splash/typosplash03.jpg Now here you can see an example how a modified Allerta could probably do a new job in the gui? http://www.sablonier.ch/flightgear/splash/guifont_8.jpg and smaller (better for default 800x600)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-26 Thread HB-GRAL
syd adams schrieb: Just out of curiosity , what's the white bar above the bottom Flightgear ? It is decoration and should express some more dynamics. But meantime I am working on some new examples for the lettering (it is not a logo I think). It will be better to show the entire screen

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-25 Thread leee
On Wednesday 24 Feb 2010, Durk Talsma wrote: [snip...] As follows from this, I have to add that I'm not too excited about all the invidual hangars, and scenery repository sites (such as unitedfreeworld) that I'm seeing spring to life right now. I do realize that these sites serve their

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-25 Thread Martin Spott
leee wrote: On Wednesday 24 Feb 2010, Durk Talsma wrote: [snip...] As follows from this, I have to add that I'm not too excited about all the invidual hangars, and scenery repository sites (such as unitedfreeworld) that I'm seeing spring to life right now. I do realize that these sites

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-25 Thread leee
On Thursday 25 Feb 2010, Martin Spott wrote: leee wrote: On Wednesday 24 Feb 2010, Durk Talsma wrote: [snip...] As follows from this, I have to add that I'm not too excited about all the invidual hangars, and scenery repository sites (such as unitedfreeworld) that I'm seeing spring to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-25 Thread Martin Spott
Now, after this funny excursion into the satire department I guess (at least I hope) that those readers who _seriously_ care about licensing and/or ownership concerns are sufficiently sensitized and thus have understood that it's always worth reading the entire, genuine GPL text instead of just

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:46:49 +, leee wrote in message 201002251146.49352.l...@spatial.plus.com: misleading responses (for describing an aircraft as just 'art' work whilst ignoring the FDM, animation and scripting development work ..the aircraft geometries, liveries, the FDM's, the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-25 Thread Tim Moore
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Durk Talsma d.tal...@xs4all.nl wrote: ... This might not be known to everybody, but the defacto policy is that all promotial materials for FlightGear should only contain material that is part of the official FlightGear repository. In essence, this means that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-25 Thread Erik Hofman
Tim Moore wrote: I think the individual hangars are great, no matter what their license. I would agree; It's the individual Hangars that made other Simulators popular. No need to change that policy for FlightGear if you'd ask me. Erik

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-25 Thread Heiko Schulz
In some things I have to agree to Tim. Multiple hangars aren't bad and just show how our Project grows. And we won't prevent this in future when community is still growing, and I'm sure it will. But there will be some difficulties coming with: As long as the submitted material adheres to the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-25 Thread Martin Spott
Tim Moore wrote: Do you want 100s of people to be involved with FlightGear development, or tens of thousands? I think the individual hangars are great, no matter what their license. I hope FlightGear better supports multiple data directories in the future. A single data directory, with a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-25 Thread Dale J. Chatham
One of the better ways of handling this kind of thing is to have central system directories with users able to put their own data in their home directories. A search path isn't a bad thing, as is the ability to set directories in environment variables. Having only one directory in which to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-25 Thread Martin Spott
Dale J. Chatham wrote: One of the better ways of handling this kind of thing is to have central system directories with users able to put their own data in their home directories. A search path isn't a bad thing, as is the ability to set directories in environment variables. Having only

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-25 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi all, On Thursday 25 February 2010 02:44:32 pm Tim Moore wrote: I don't see how that follows from the beauty of having one repository. I see the one repository model as slowing down all work, collaborative or not. Since my original email seems to have sparked much more controversy that I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-25 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Durk Talsma wrote: I do see this type of uncoordinated fragmentation as being counterproductive, and not contributing to a positive user experience. I want to emphasize that apart from a few private sandboxes, most of these sites appear to exist for genuine reasons, but nevertheless I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-25 Thread syd adams
I strongly agree with this , just keep the generic essentials, instruments, and the aircraft intended to go with the release in the data/Aircraft ... and a separate repository for extras . My 2 cents. Syd As others have mentioned, we really need to move the Aircraft to a new repository.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-25 Thread Pete Morgan
Stuart Buchanan wrote: also, without a clear central repository, aircraft bit-rot as soon as their author leaves the project. At least with CVS (or another central repository) there is an easy way for someone else to maintain orphaned aircraft. ... as is the case with the B787, its

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-24 Thread Scott Hamilton
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 21:41 -0800, syd adams wrote: just my personal opinion; I don't mind them as a creative expression of the forward movement that represents aviation. Some are perhaps a little misplaced, but I quite like the idea. Some iterative refinement may be necessary, I'd

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-24 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi, On Wednesday 24 February 2010 04:47:58 pm Vivian Meazza wrote: Martin Spott wrote Peter Brown wrote: It's the Fouga Magister, from GRTux's site. I see, so it's his distinct, private adventure, not part of The FlightGear Project. Right ? And the copyright belongs to Gerard I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-24 Thread Durk Talsma
On Wednesday 24 February 2010 09:36:40 pm Durk Talsma wrote: or less officially sanctified) livery repository has been set up. Sorry, should be sanctioned. :-) D. -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-24 Thread Vivian Meazza
Durk Talsma wrote On Wednesday 24 February 2010 09:36:40 pm Durk Talsma wrote: or less officially sanctified) livery repository has been set up. Sorry, should be sanctioned. :-) Freudian slip perhaps? :-) Vivian

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-23 Thread Peter Brown
Just to make available some more images if anyone wants to create splashes from them, I found a few of these to have nice lighting effects with the setting sun. http://s512.photobucket.com/albums/t325/barefootr/FlightGear%20Screen%20Shots/ Peter On Feb 19, 2010, at 7:47 AM, John Denker wrote:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-23 Thread syd adams
I dont like the gradient bar ... looks more like a thick layer of smog :) Just out of curiosity , what's the white bar above the bottom Flightgear ? On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Reagan Thomas thomas...@gmail.com wrote: HB-GRAL wrote: I am just playing around a bit with this Allerta.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-23 Thread Martin Spott
Peter Brown wrote: Just to make available some more images if anyone wants to create splashes from them, I found a few of these to have nice lighting effects with the setting sun. http://s512.photobucket.com/albums/t325/barefootr/FlightGear%20Screen%20Shots/ Is this really one of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-23 Thread Peter Brown
It's the Fouga Magister, from GRTux's site. It is not included in the base package, but like Dave Culp's and Gary Neely's aircraft, IMHO ...some of the best models designed for FlightGear and used by many in FlightGear... are not included in the base package. While some may disagree with me

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-23 Thread Gary Neely
I believe it makes the most sense for the featured aircraft to be both commonly recognizable and present in the Flightgear repository. It might confuse some people if they go looking for the featured aircraft and didn't find it in the official downloads page. The Concorde and the 747 make fine

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-23 Thread syd adams
I'm wondering what is the significance of the curious white or yellow parallelogram seen near the Flightgear lettering in some of the most recent batch of suggested images? This may be what Syd was asking about as well. -Gary Yes , I wondered if I had missed a logo change , or if this was

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-22 Thread Erik Hofman
HB-GRAL wrote: Otherhand as graphic designer I am able to design own fonts. So maybe we get a new GPL font once - first time and totally free used in FG? Why not :-) That would be neat :-) Erik -- Download

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-22 Thread Erik Hofman
HB-GRAL wrote: I checked the libre fonts and this are my (quick) results for now: Allerta (modified): http://www.sablonier.ch/flightgear/splash/typosplash03.jpg DejaVu (modified): http://www.sablonier.ch/flightgear/splash/typosplash04.jpg Both are well designed open fonts and have the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:37:52 +0100, HB-GRAL wrote in message 4b81c3d0.90...@sablonier.ch: I checked the libre fonts and this are my (quick) results for now: Allerta (modified): http://www.sablonier.ch/flightgear/splash/typosplash03.jpg DejaVu (modified):

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-22 Thread HB-GRAL
I am just playing around a bit with this Allerta. Have a look here: http://www.sablonier.ch/flightgear/splash/typosplash05.jpg http://www.sablonier.ch/flightgear/splash/typosplash06.jpg http://www.sablonier.ch/flightgear/splash/typosplash07.jpg Cheers- Yves

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-22 Thread Reagan Thomas
HB-GRAL wrote: I am just playing around a bit with this Allerta. Have a look here: http://www.sablonier.ch/flightgear/splash/typosplash05.jpg http://www.sablonier.ch/flightgear/splash/typosplash06.jpg http://www.sablonier.ch/flightgear/splash/typosplash07.jpg Cheers- Yves I much prefer

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-21 Thread Erik Hofman
HB-GRAL wrote: First font is ’well known’ Rockwell bold italic. Second one is Imago. Anyhow Rockwell has a straight and timeless type design and is avaiable on most systems I think? Unfortunately both font types don't seem to be license free. To be safe I've changed the splash screens now

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-21 Thread HB-GRAL
Erik Hofman schrieb: Unfortunately both font types don't seem to be license free. To be safe I've changed the splash screens now to only use license free fonts (as shipped with The Gimp): BGP Elite Bold (with custom shear) and Dustismo Bold Italic. Erik Erik, Only for my understanding:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-21 Thread Erik Hofman
HB-GRAL wrote: Only for my understanding: Why does this fonts have to be licence free? We do not ship the fonts with the splash screen do we? Am I not allowed to do a pixel-design in Gimp for a GPL software with my (licenced) fonts? Unless I'm mistaken even using an unlicensed font might

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-21 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: HB-GRAL wrote: Only for my understanding: Why does this fonts have to be licence free? We do not ship the fonts with the splash screen do we? Am I not allowed to do a pixel-design in Gimp for a GPL software with my (licenced) fonts? Unless I'm mistaken even using an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-21 Thread James Sleeman
On 22/02/10 00:20, Martin Spott wrote: But Yves _does_ have the license to use the font. As long as he doesn't distribute the font itself but only the 'printed' output, I don't see where we're supposed to get into trouble. That all depends on the font license. Commercial font licenses can and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-21 Thread Vic Marriott
That all depends on the font license. Commercial font licenses can and do dictate how the font can be used. Best to use free (libre) fonts where possible to avoid the problem totally I expect... Surely, what is being presented is an image. There is no need for whoever sees the image to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-21 Thread Erik Hofman
Vic Marriott wrote: That all depends on the font license. Commercial font licenses can and do dictate how the font can be used. Best to use free (libre) fonts where possible to avoid the problem totally I expect... Surely, what is being presented is an image. There is no need for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-21 Thread HB-GRAL
James Sleeman schrieb: Best to use free (libre) fonts where possible to avoid the problem totally I expect... This is a good proposal. Lets check the libre fonts for really good quality fonts and great design. Not just for Microsoft, Adobe or Bitstream clones or edits (like i.e.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-21 Thread HB-GRAL
I checked the libre fonts and this are my (quick) results for now: Allerta (modified): http://www.sablonier.ch/flightgear/splash/typosplash03.jpg DejaVu (modified): http://www.sablonier.ch/flightgear/splash/typosplash04.jpg Both are well designed open fonts and have the right license for FG I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-20 Thread Erik Hofman
HB-GRAL wrote: Very nice new splash screen pictures! Should we use some other fonts instead of Verdana for FlightGear and this x-plane-Helvetica ;-) for the other parts? Two other examples of some fonts here (quick and absolutely unfinished work of course):

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-20 Thread ArthurX
I also like the splash screens, especially with the new typesetting: http://www.sablonier.ch/flightgear/splash/typosplash01.jpg And for me Open Source is something, what FlightGear is. So it should not be omitted. It's part of the fun and pride.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:34:26 +0100, ArthurX wrote in message 70400f671002200234g5adcbe49pc8f54f1ba4c25...@mail.gmail.com: I also like the splash screens, especially with the new typesetting: http://www.sablonier.ch/flightgear/splash/typosplash01.jpg And for me Open Source is something, what

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-20 Thread Isaias Prestes
Guys, Very nice this typesetting! Fantastic! What font is this? Best regards, Isaías V. Prestes 2010/2/20 ArthurX arth...@gmail.com I also like the splash screens, especially with the new typesetting: http://www.sablonier.ch/flightgear/splash/typosplash01.jpg And for me Open Source is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-20 Thread HB-GRAL
Isaias Prestes schrieb: What font is this? First font is ’well known’ Rockwell bold italic. Second one is Imago. Anyhow Rockwell has a straight and timeless type design and is avaiable on most systems I think? Thanks - Y-

[Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread Erik Hofman
I've created a new set of splash screens based on the images Durk created about two weeks ago. Does anyone have any objections to committing them or does anybody have other possible splash screens to choose from? http://home.telfort.nl/sp004798/emh/Splash1.png

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread Victhor
Have we gone freeware? I thought we were free as in free speech, not free as in free beer. ;) I've created a new set of splash screens based on the images Durk created about two weeks ago. Does anyone have any objections to committing them or does anybody have other possible splash screens

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Hi Erik, - Erik Hofmana écrit : I've created a new set of splash screens based on the images Durk created about two weeks ago. Does anyone have any objections to committing them or does anybody have other possible splash screens to choose from?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Friday 19 February 2010 09:48:51 Erik Hofman wrote: I've created a new set of splash screens based on the images Durk created about two weeks ago. Does anyone have any objections to committing them or does anybody have other possible splash screens to choose from? Well to state the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Very nice - just this one makes me wonder: http://home.telfort.nl/sp004798/emh/Splash1.png Glider in controlled airspace overhead a really large international airport !? ;-) Yeah, don't you love simulators? :) Erik

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread Erik Hofman
Frederic Bouvier wrote: Hi Erik, - Erik Hofmana écrit : I've created a new set of splash screens based on the images Durk created about two weeks ago. Does anyone have any objections to committing them or does anybody have other possible splash screens to choose from?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread Erik Hofman
Stefan Seifert wrote: On Friday 19 February 2010 09:48:51 Erik Hofman wrote: I've created a new set of splash screens based on the images Durk created about two weeks ago. Does anyone have any objections to committing them or does anybody have other possible splash screens to choose from?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread Vic Marriott
Hi Erik, I think the proposed splash screens are excellent except for http://home.telfort.nl/sp004798/emh/Splash3.png 2 things just don't seem right: 1. The rain/snow, which we FG users know is brilliant, might give the impression of a poor quality picture. 2. Because of the angle the pic

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
Erik Hofman wrote -Original Message- From: [mailto:e...@ehofman.com] Sent: 19 February 2010 08:49 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens I've created a new set of splash screens based on the images Durk created about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread Adam Dershowitz, Ph.D., P.E.
On Feb 19, 2010, at 1:01 AM, Martin Spott wrote: Very nice - just this one makes me wonder: http://home.telfort.nl/sp004798/emh/Splash1.png Glider in controlled airspace overhead a really large international airport !? ;-) Legal with a transponder and appropriate calls to ATC.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread Martin Spott
Adam Dershowitz, Ph.D., P.E. wrote: On Feb 19, 2010, at 1:01 AM, Martin Spott wrote: Glider in controlled airspace overhead a really large international airport !? ;-) Legal with a transponder and appropriate calls to ATC. Yup, legal in theory but very unlikely ;-)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi Erik, On Friday 19 February 2010 09:48:51 am Erik Hofman wrote: I've created a new set of splash screens based on the images Durk created about two weeks ago. Does anyone have any objections to committing them or does anybody have other possible splash screens to choose from?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread Pigeon
I've created a new set of splash screens based on the images Durk created about two weeks ago. I was thinking a bit again. Would it be any better to say the Open Source Flight Simulator, rather than just Free? As we know free doesn't necessarily mean open source. Just

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread Curtis Olson
I am willing to defer to the general consensus, but for me Free Flight Simulator doesn't quite have the all the right nuances. I still kind of like natural flying or flying naturally or flying a la natural. :-) For anyone considering resolution, remember that these are drawn as opengl textures

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread HB-GRAL
Erik Hofman schrieb: I've created a new set of splash screens based on the images Durk created about two weeks ago. Does anyone have any objections to committing them or does anybody have other possible splash screens to choose from? http://home.telfort.nl/sp004798/emh/Splash1.png

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:50:55 -0600, Curtis wrote in message ef5fc9921002191450u6ec35650i21eae1784f19e...@mail.gmail.com: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Pigeon wrote: I've created a new set of splash screens based on the images Durk created about two weeks ago. I was