Re: [Flightgear-devel] WIN32 threaded binary

2002-12-04 Thread Erik Hofman
Norman Vine wrote: Jonathan Polley writes: I would like to see if this solves a similar problem I have with OS X's threading. I really prefer the threaded tile loader as it gives me a much smoother frame rate. Interesting that this problem exists on OS X also. Could the automatic

re: [Flightgear-devel] Cannot specify --aircraft in system.fgfsrc

2002-12-04 Thread David Megginson
Paul Deppe writes: It looks like it is not possible to specify an --aircraft in system.fgfsrc because the aircraft model is loaded before system.fgfsrc is processed (see program output below). Is this the intended behavior? I thought the processing order was supposed to be 1)

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Cannot specify --aircraft in system.fgfsrc

2002-12-04 Thread Michael Basler
David, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Megginson We were planning to drop system.fgfsrc -- I thought we already had, but I guess it's still lurking. The processing order, from memory, is $FG_ROOT/preferences.xml $HOME/.fgfsrc command line I

[Flightgear-devel] Research project in user communities of flight simulators

2002-12-04 Thread Thies, Sandra
Dear FlightGear fans developers, This is a short reminder to fill in our questionnaire :-). The University of Munich currently undertakes a research project on flight simulators. ItÂ’s about users, and in particular (but not only) about users who develop their own add-ons and contributions for

[Flightgear-devel] Problem Building CVS FlightGear

2002-12-04 Thread Richard Bytheway
I had not updated my copy of the code base for a few weeks, so I grabbed the CVS for plib, SimGear and FlightGear yesterday, and found that Flightgear would not build. This is on cygwin, which I updated to the latest version yesterday, but still on gcc version 2.95.3-10 (cygwin special). I

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Cannot specify --aircraft in system.fgfsrc

2002-12-04 Thread David Megginson
Michael Basler writes: We were planning to drop system.fgfsrc -- I thought we already had, but I guess it's still lurking. The processing order, from memory, is $FG_ROOT/preferences.xml $HOME/.fgfsrc command line I don't fully understand this. Until now,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cannot specify --aircraft in system.fgfsrc

2002-12-04 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: Paul Deppe writes: It looks like it is not possible to specify an --aircraft in system.fgfsrc because the aircraft model is loaded before system.fgfsrc is processed (see program output below). Is this the intended behavior? I thought the processing order

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Cannot specify --aircraft in system.fgfsrc

2002-12-04 Thread Michael Basler
David, The idea was that system.fgfsrc is system-wide, while .fgfsrc is per-user. For Windows, perhaps we should look for fgfs.cfg in My Documents or wherever (is there any concept of separate user directories yet?). Win XP and 2000 allow management of separate user directories under the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem Building CVS FlightGear

2002-12-04 Thread Norman Vine
Richard Bytheway writes: I have done a complete rebuild and reinstall of plib, and SimGear, but compiling FlightGear fails: ../../../src/Cockpit/hud.hxx:380: implicit declaration of function `int for_each(...)' Hmm... There is no 'for_each()' call in the hud.hxx in the CVS try

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Cannot specify --aircraft in system.fgfsrc

2002-12-04 Thread David Megginson
Michael Basler writes: Personally I've got most of my user's files just on a separate partition (and all the FlightGear stuff on yet another partition and FS2002 on yet another one and so on). From my POV the mechanism we had with just a single system.fgfsrc in $FG_ROOT would be

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Problem Building CVS FlightGear

2002-12-04 Thread Richard Bytheway
-Original Message- From: Norman Vine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 December 2002 1:15 pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem Building CVS FlightGear Richard Bytheway writes: I have done a complete rebuild and reinstall of plib, and SimGear,

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Cannot specify --aircraft in system.fgfsrc

2002-12-04 Thread The Tone'ster
--- David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea was that system.fgfsrc is system-wide, while .fgfsrc is per-user. For Windows, perhaps we should look for fgfs.cfg in My Documents or wherever (is there any concept of separate user directories yet?). $USERPROFILE on WinNT shold resolve

[Flightgear-devel] config.guess and config.sub

2002-12-04 Thread David Drum
Hello developers, I am building plib on Mac OS X for use with FlightGear. The version of autoconf included with plib-1.6.0 is very old. Regardless of your plans to update it, I would like you to know that I was able to get plib to configure and make successfully (not yet tested) on Mac OS X by

[Flightgear-devel] Continued Cygwin problems

2002-12-04 Thread William Earnest
Hello again, Definitely getting the feeling that Cygwin doesn't like me. Linux builds and runs FlightGear with no problem, and Norman's fgfs.exe runs nicely here under Win98. But Cygwin keeps falling short. Started with updating todays cvs of base package, SimGear, and FlightGear. Have plib

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Continued Cygwin problems

2002-12-04 Thread Norman Vine
William Earnest writes: Definitely getting the feeling that Cygwin doesn't like me. For variety, the leadin to the fault was a bit different. The following lines were copied from scribbled notes at the other machine scheduling needed tiles for -122.358 37.6117 load() base =

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Continued Cygwin problems

2002-12-04 Thread Norman Vine
Norman Vine wrote: William Earnest writes: The other question is how do I resolve addresses to symbols under Cygwin? The stack dump is not all that useful to me in only hex format. I have never found this file very useful but you can use addr2line to decode the hex numbers Its use

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Continued Cygwin problems

2002-12-04 Thread William Earnest
Norman Vine wrote: Norman Vine wrote: William Earnest writes: The other question is how do I resolve addresses to symbols under Cygwin? The stack dump is not all that useful to me in only hex format. I have never found this file very useful but you can use addr2line to decode the hex

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default, Great idea, got a URL for a native WIN32 version of rsync ?? Best Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Andy Ross
Norman Vine wrote: Andy Ross writes: I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default, Great idea, got a URL for a native WIN32 version of rsync ?? Doing a google on rsync cygwin pulled up this post that claims that it works normally out of the box. You have to build it

[Flightgear-devel] panel.cxx

2002-12-04 Thread Nick Foster
I'm compiling FG from CVS sources on MSVC .NET. As you can imagine, it didn't exactly work out of the box. ;) I'll post diffs after I get it running, but for now here's one particular bug that should be cross-platform compatible *grin* panel.cxx line 560: bool FGPanel::doMouseAction (int

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Norman Vine wrote: Andy Ross writes: I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default, Great idea, got a URL for a native WIN32 version of rsync ?? Doing a google on rsync cygwin pulled up this post that claims that it works normally out of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Christian Mayer
Norman Vine wrote: Andy Ross writes: I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default, Great idea, got a URL for a native WIN32 version of rsync ?? IMHO we should switch to HTTP. This avoids firewall problems and clients are also easy to get. CU, Christian -- The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Erik Hofman
Norman Vine wrote: rsync is part of the Cygwin distribution these days but we need a 'native' WIN32 port before we make it the default How about this one: http://winrsync.sunsite.dk/ Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: Norman Vine wrote: rsync is part of the Cygwin distribution these days but we need a 'native' WIN32 port before we make it the default How about this one: http://winrsync.sunsite.dk/ Hmmm Just a couple of dependencies :-) Norman a.. WINrsync_latest.exe ~2.7M

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Cameron Moore
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Ross) [2002.12.04 13:21]: I just tried this last night. Curt, this rocks. I haven't tried it, but I can't wait to do so. I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default, either by adding it to the fgfs binary or by having fgfs spawn it as a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Cameron Moore
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Mayer) [2002.12.04 14:05]: Norman Vine wrote: Andy Ross writes: I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default, Great idea, got a URL for a native WIN32 version of rsync ?? IMHO we should switch to HTTP. This avoids

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Plib-devel] config.guess and config.sub

2002-12-04 Thread David Drum
Quoth Steve Baker: I'm suprised you needed to do that though - so long as the versions of those two files agree with the version of autocong that *I* used to build the 'configure' script, it shouldn't matter what versions of the auto* tools you have because you don't use them when you just

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Norman Vine wrote: rsync is part of the Cygwin distribution these days but we need a 'native' WIN32 port before we make it the default Why? It doesn't hurt anything to try spawning a non-existant program. It just fails to load any scenery, which is exactly the behavior

Re: [Flightgear-devel] WIN32 threaded binary

2002-12-04 Thread Erik Hofman
Norman Vine wrote: But the question remains how best to get the threaded tile manager working and 'behaving' under Win32 and OS X. Does this patch work by any chance? Erik --- /home/erik/src/CVS/fgfs/SimGear/simgear/threads/SGThread.cxxSat Sep 7 04:58:20 2002 +++

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Voice ATIS

2002-12-04 Thread David Luff
On 12/3/02 at 11:05 PM Julian Foad wrote: David Luff wrote: I've managed to get canned voice ATIS going. Wow! Brilliant. It really works! It sounds about like I'd expect, too (e.g. the 8 kHz-ness). OK, Thanks for testing this. This is now in CVS. A base update is also required to hear

RE: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Michael Basler
Andy, [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy Ross Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:43 PM Doing a google on rsync cygwin pulled up this post that claims that it works normally out of the box. You have to build it yourself, or did as of a year ago anyway.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Christian Mayer
Cameron Moore wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Mayer) [2002.12.04 14:05]: Norman Vine wrote: Andy Ross writes: I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default, Great idea, got a URL for a native WIN32 version of rsync ?? IMHO we should switch

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Andy Ross
Norman Vine wrote: But in any case I don't appreciate programs that automatically connect to the NET and I still want to have the default behaviour NO networking without explicit authorization ! That's a fair point, although as long as we aren't transmitting any data I don't see any ethical

[Flightgear-devel] FGFS starting terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Alex Perry
Norman says: But in any case I don't appreciate programs that automatically connect to the NET and I still want to have the default behaviour NO networking without explicit authorization ! Of course this doen't really matter to you or myself in that we can compile in or own defaults, I am

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Norman Vine wrote: But in any case I don't appreciate programs that automatically connect to the NET and I still want to have the default behaviour NO networking without explicit authorization ! So if it's not the raw default, it needs to be a trivially simple switch

Re: [Flightgear-devel] WIN32 threaded binary

2002-12-04 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: Norman Vine wrote: But the question remains how best to get the threaded tile manager working and 'behaving' under Win32 and OS X. Does this patch work by any chance? It seems to fix a minor problem with my patch i.e. FGFS printed a failed assertion is sgThread at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cannot specify --aircraft in system.fgfsrc

2002-12-04 Thread Geoff McLane
Dear All, oops, pardon moi ... RE:MSVC6 Update - continued ... This i added, explicily, to fg_init.cxx // Next check the 'root' for a system.fgfsrc file if ( aircraft.empty() ) { // Check for $fg_root/system.fgfsrc SGPath config( globals-get_fg_root() );

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cannot specify --aircraft in system.fgfsrc

2002-12-04 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Geoff McLane writes: PS: Curt, did you not get my README.msvc6? Or you do not feel it should be in the CVS just yet? Hmmm, I don't recall, you probably want to send it again. If I did get it, it is now very buried in my email pile. Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Andy Ross
Michael Basler wrote: One ugly solution might be to provide just the rsync.exe, but I don't know if this works (it would require the cygwin dll, at least). Plus this might cause licensing troubles. Why not? I can't speak to whether it works with (only) the cygwin DLL, but there's nothing

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Michael Basler wrote: One ugly solution might be to provide just the rsync.exe, but I don't know if this works (it would require the cygwin dll, at least). Plus this might cause licensing troubles. Why not? I can't speak to whether it works with (only) the cygwin

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2002-12-04 at 12:47, Christian Mayer wrote: Cameron Moore wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Mayer) [2002.12.04 14:05]: Norman Vine wrote: Andy Ross writes: I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default, Great idea, got a URL

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2002-12-04 at 12:33, Norman Vine wrote: Andy Ross writes: Norman Vine wrote: rsync is part of the Cygwin distribution these days but we need a 'native' WIN32 port before we make it the default Why? It doesn't hurt anything to try spawning a non-existant program. It just

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Martin Spott
I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default, either by adding it to the fgfs binary or by having fgfs spawn it as a child. [...] Spawning a child might be a nice option, because it eases running the task asynchronously - anything different is probably not an option

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGFS starting terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread Martin Spott
Alex, This could, for example, really shrink the base package. The scenery only contains the actual airports in the bay area, and the textures are only those needed to render the airport tiles. I think ypu are perverting the ideea of a small base package. A small package is useful for those

Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-04 Thread The Tone'ster
Not that my input means diddly ... but YES. I had the exact same thought. Wouldn't it be great it the terrasync util could be pointed at an http server that could stream data back. Simple, well known type of service. Opens the door to random individuals hosting scenery even ? Tony ---

[Flightgear-devel] Fixes for parallel/SMP make compilation

2002-12-04 Thread Kain
I've libtoolized the makefiles for current CVS for SimGear and FlightGear. This allows GNU make to properly handle the dependencies for SMP (parallel) compile. This naturally speeds up compiles significantly. Does anyone want the diffs? -- Bryon Roche Professional {Developer,Guru,Mad

Re: [Flightgear-devel] WIN32 threaded binary

2002-12-04 Thread Jonathan Polley
On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 03:00 AM, Erik Hofman wrote: Norman Vine wrote: Jonathan Polley writes: I would like to see if this solves a similar problem I have with OS X's threading. I really prefer the threaded tile loader as it gives me a much smoother frame rate. Interesting