Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database

2005-11-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:11:00 -0600, Curtis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I should also point out that the next scenery build (which is happening concurrent to the v0.9.9 release and causing my head to spin 3x faster than normal (not factoring in beer)) will be based on this data

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database

2005-11-12 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:11:00 -0600, Curtis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I should also point out that the next scenery build (which is happening concurrent to the v0.9.9 release and causing my head to spin 3x faster than normal (not factoring in beer)) will be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database

2005-11-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:48:37 -0600, Curtis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..how much size growth, compared to the (0.9.7?) last scenery? (url to the new?) I haven't really started building a lot of tiles yet. I'm still hung up on a shapefile processing

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database

2005-11-10 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott wrote: We proudly present the first export from the TerraGear landcover database or however you prefer to name it. [...] You'll find some further information on this page refinement in process: http://web44.netzwerteserver2.de/212.0.html Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database

2005-11-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Martin Spott wrote: Martin Spott wrote: We proudly present the first export from the TerraGear landcover database or however you prefer to name it. [...] You'll find some further information on this page refinement in process:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-11 Thread Jon Stockill
Ralf Gerlich wrote: Hi, Ampere K. Hardraade schrieb: I think you misunderstood. I was referring to the taxiways under map mode, not satellite mode. If you go in map mode, you will see that Google got some pretty accurate vector data for taxiways generation. Whoop, didn't see that. In

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover

2005-09-11 Thread Martin Spott
Dave Martin wrote: On Saturday 10 September 2005 15:39, Martin Spott wrote: We have to be careful about simply dropping a shapefile into our landcover database. Wenever we add a road, river or some other data to the database we'll have to have a look if the respective object is already

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Jon Stockill
Dave Martin wrote: On Friday 09 September 2005 18:36, Jon Stockill wrote: I've just finished downloading and processing all the data to get my scenery build system back up and running after a disk crash, it's building tiles for a test of the OSM roads at the moment. I'll grab some screenshots

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Hi, Jon Stockill schrieb: [SNIP] Here's a couple of pics, the first is looking west over the gherkin, and the second is looking out over regents park. Generation time was over an hour for that tile on a 1GHz athlon (the resource limits in fgfs-construct needed a significant increase). Memory

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Jon Stockill
Ralf Gerlich wrote: This looks quite detailed. I'm not that familiar with the London area so would you say that there is a considerable amount of smaller streets missing in there? You can see the source data here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/ there are roads missing, simply because the map

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Dave Martin
On Saturday 10 September 2005 10:25, Jon Stockill wrote: Here's a couple of pics, the first is looking west over the gherkin, and the second is looking out over regents park. Generation time was over an hour for that tile on a 1GHz athlon (the resource limits in fgfs-construct needed a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread David Luff
Dave Martin writes: I have a feeling as we get more road data, we're going to be seeing slight placement errors at the airports. Currently EGBB is placed over the A45 on the 0.9.8 scenery. If I can get that road mapped by GPS and a few others around it, we can probably move the airport

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Saturday 10 September 2005 13:19, Dave Martin wrote: I have a feeling as we get more road data, we're going to be seeing slight placement errors at the airports. Currently EGBB is placed over the A45 on the 0.9.8 scenery. If I can get that road mapped by GPS and a few others around it, we

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Paul Surgeon wrote: I noticed that a lot of airports in the X-Plane DB are quite far out. Even some major airports like Sion were out by ~ 3 km. What I do find interesting is that the quality of the data seems to change for every country. South Eastern France's data was horrid, so was

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover

2005-09-10 Thread Martin Spott
Jon Stockill wrote: http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/scenery/osmroads1.jpg http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/scenery/osmroads2.jpg Herewith I appoint you to the future maintainer of OSM-data in our kindcover database :-) Do they log the changes in their database, do they offer any 'raw'

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover

2005-09-10 Thread Jon Stockill
Martin Spott wrote: Herewith I appoint you to the future maintainer of OSM-data in our kindcover database :-) I should have kept my mouth shut :-) Do they log the changes in their database, do they offer any 'raw' interface ? The interface is explained here:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover

2005-09-10 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott wrote: Herewith I appoint you to the future maintainer of OSM-data in our kindcover database :-) 'landcover' I can't tell how this could happen Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover

2005-09-10 Thread Martin Spott
Jon Stockill wrote: I used the map command to dump the data, then converted it to the tguserdef format in order to build the scenery, but a shapefile could just as easily be used as the intermediate format. We have to be careful about simply dropping a shapefile into our landcover database.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Saturday 10 September 2005 15:28, Curtis L. Olson wrote: My understanding is that for the USA, the X-Plane data for runways comes primarily from DAFIF. Taxiways are all hand drawn and placed. Outside the USA the runway data is manually generated by anyone who wants to submit new airports,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On September 10, 2005 09:28 am, Curtis L. Olson wrote: My understanding is that for the USA, the X-Plane data for runways comes primarily from DAFIF.  Taxiways are all hand drawn and placed.  Outside the USA the runway data is manually generated by anyone who wants to submit new airports, so

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Hi, Ampere K. Hardraade schrieb: Google has some pretty accurate taxiways for their map. Check out http://pigeond.net/flightgear/fg_server_map.html in map mode. Does anybody where Google got their data from? You can get quite detailed aerial photos for most urban areas in the USA from

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover

2005-09-10 Thread Martin Spott
Ralf Gerlich wrote: However, I'm still searching for free detailed aerial photos for other areas of the world such as Germany. Here the government wants you to pay twice for the photos: Once via tax and once when you want to use the photos. The license under which you get those photos here

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Saturday 10 September 2005 19:03, Ralf Gerlich wrote: However, I'm still searching for free detailed aerial photos for other areas of the world such as Germany. Here the government wants you to pay twice for the photos: Once via tax and once when you want to use the photos. The license

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On September 10, 2005 06:36 am, Jon Stockill wrote: We've just been discussing another problem on irc - the green texture isn't really appropriate for a city, but I left out the city areas since the texture it uses contains its own roads. I'm not really sure of a solution to this. Personally,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On September 10, 2005 01:03 pm, Ralf Gerlich wrote: You can get quite detailed aerial photos for most urban areas in the USA from http://www.terraserver-usa.com David Luff's TaxiDraw has support for automatically loading such photos and showing them in the editor. However, I'm still

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Hi, Ampere K. Hardraade schrieb: I think you misunderstood. I was referring to the taxiways under map mode, not satellite mode. If you go in map mode, you will see that Google got some pretty accurate vector data for taxiways generation. Whoop, didn't see that. In that case: Yes, I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover

2005-09-10 Thread Dave Martin
On Saturday 10 September 2005 15:39, Martin Spott wrote: We have to be careful about simply dropping a shapefile into our landcover database. Wenever we add a road, river or some other data to the database we'll have to have a look if the respective object is already represented there. Is it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-10 Thread Christian Mayer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ampere K. Hardraade schrieb: On September 10, 2005 09:28 am, Curtis L. Olson wrote: My understanding is that for the USA, the X-Plane data for runways comes primarily from DAFIF. Taxiways are all hand drawn and placed. Outside the USA the runway

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-09 Thread Jon Stockill
Martin Spott wrote: Good evening, We proudly present the first export from the TerraGear landcover database or however you prefer to name it. The contents is exactly the same as the landcover data that has previously been used for scenery generation - at least this is the intention.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover

2005-09-09 Thread Martin Spott
Jon Stockill wrote: Excellent - I'll give it a try. I'm also experimenting with some early data from openstreetmap.org to add accurate roads to scenery. This is a nice idea, I also consider to import the major streets from TIGER. But before we start adding 'sophisticated' data we need to make

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-09 Thread Dave Martin
On Friday 09 September 2005 12:47, Jon Stockill wrote: Excellent - I'll give it a try. I'm also experimenting with some early data from openstreetmap.org to add accurate roads to scenery. Don't know why I didn't find openstreetmap.org when I was searching about for 'royalty free' mapping last

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-09 Thread Jon Stockill
Dave Martin wrote: Don't know why I didn't find openstreetmap.org when I was searching about for 'royalty free' mapping last week. Now that you've mentioned the site I'm all grins. Thanks very much Jon. :) There's anot a huge amount of data there yet, it's still in the very early stages,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-09 Thread Dave Martin
On Friday 09 September 2005 18:36, Jon Stockill wrote: There's anot a huge amount of data there yet, it's still in the very early stages, but if you own a GPS you could help change that ;-) I think I can get access to a suitable GPS but with fuel prices at £1/litre I think I'm going to be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database export

2005-09-09 Thread Jon Stockill
Dave Martin wrote: I think I can get access to a suitable GPS but with fuel prices at £1/litre I think I'm going to be dusting off my bicycle and getting some much-needed exercise ;) Inspired by the charity tube challenge a couple of weeks ago I'm currently considering making use of a day