Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 0.9.5-1

2004-08-17 Thread Erik Hofman
Erik Hofman wrote:
Curtis L. Olson wrote:

What specific changes are you refering to?

Fixes for the Scenery Loading dialog that now loads much faster on low 
end hardware because it is frame rate independent (thanks to Frederic).

Lots of small fixes (joystick configurations, Nasal fuel handling for 
the Spitfire and fixing the mouse freeze after exit problem).

To name a few.
Not to mention a number of fixes in plib (including rather important 
joystick fixes) and fgrun.

Actually, all updates to CVS since the release of 0.9.5 have been fixes 
so far.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 0.9.5-1

2004-08-17 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Erik Hofman wrote: 
 Erik Hofman wrote: 
  Curtis L. Olson wrote: 
 
  What specific changes are you refering to? 
  
  
  Fixes for the Scenery Loading dialog that now loads much faster on low 
  end hardware because it is frame rate independent (thanks to Frederic). 
  
  Lots of small fixes (joystick configurations, Nasal fuel handling for 
  the Spitfire and fixing the mouse freeze after exit problem). 
  
  To name a few. 
 
 Not to mention a number of fixes in plib (including rather important 
 joystick fixes) and fgrun. 

Are you sure js changes are fixes ? I saw problem reports recently. 
I don't update plib for ages and I am not keen to do it after what I read. 
Moreover, we rely on plib released versions, not CVS, don't we ? 

 Actually, all updates to CVS since the release of 0.9.5 have been fixes 
 so far. 

-Fred 

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 0.9.5-1

2004-08-17 Thread Matevz Jekovec
Erik Hofman wrote:
Kalle Valo wrote:
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I was wondering, do others feel that the changes in the last week or
so justify a new release (0.9.5-1)?

If you are going to make a new release, just don't name it 0.9.5-1,
please. That would create lots of confusion for both users and
distribution packagers. 

Good point, I realized that after posting the message.
I don't think 0.9.6 would be a good idea, but 0.9.5b could be used (as 
this scheme is already in use for the Windows binary).
Why not simply name it 0.9.5.1 (latest kernel is 2.6.8.1 as well as they 
found a tiny bug in 2.6.8 version). Letters behind a version could mess 
with things like a for Alpha, b for Beta, RC for Release Candidate and 
so on. I think 0.9.5.1 is the only logical explenation to what happened 
to us and why are we releasing a new version.

my 2 cents:)
- Matevz
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 0.9.5-1

2004-08-17 Thread Erik Hofman
Frederic Bouvier wrote:
Are you sure js changes are fixes ? I saw problem reports recently. 
They seem to have been fixed. But I wouldn't know, I don't have a joystick.
I don't update plib for ages and I am not keen to do it after what I read. 
Moreover, we rely on plib released versions, not CVS, don't we ? 
We make have to make sure we are compatible with the latest release 
version of plib. If package maintainers want to include the CVS version 
(or even an older version) they are free to do so.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 0.9.5-1

2004-08-17 Thread Erik Hofman
Matevz Jekovec wrote:
Why not simply name it 0.9.5.1 (latest kernel is 2.6.8.1 as well as they 
found a tiny bug in 2.6.8 version). Letters behind a version could mess 
with things like a for Alpha, b for Beta, RC for Release Candidate and 
so on. I think 0.9.5.1 is the only logical explenation to what happened 
to us and why are we releasing a new version.
To be honest, I don't really mind what it's called like. This might be a 
good idea after all, as long as there will be an update to the latest 
release version.

There were enough changes (both fixes and updates) to justify one (IMHO).
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 0.9.5-1

2004-08-17 Thread Jim Wilson
Erik Hofman said:

 Matevz Jekovec wrote:
 
  Why not simply name it 0.9.5.1 (latest kernel is 2.6.8.1 as well as they 
  found a tiny bug in 2.6.8 version). Letters behind a version could mess 
  with things like a for Alpha, b for Beta, RC for Release Candidate and 
  so on. I think 0.9.5.1 is the only logical explenation to what happened 
  to us and why are we releasing a new version.
 
 To be honest, I don't really mind what it's called like. This might be a 
 good idea after all, as long as there will be an update to the latest 
 release version.
 
 There were enough changes (both fixes and updates) to justify one (IMHO).
 

I almost agree with that :-).  It seems like folks are pretty busy now and not
a lot is being added to cvs.  That means this could be a great time to get a
fairly stable release out.

It seems like it should just be called 0.9.6 and I we should avoid last minute
changes now (otherwise, why bother?) and I have no idea what effort is
required on Curt's part to do this.

So I won't say much other than we should stay on the same numbering scheme.

Best,

Jim


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 0.9.5-1

2004-08-17 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson wrote:
Erik Hofman said:
 

Matevz Jekovec wrote:
   

Why not simply name it 0.9.5.1 (latest kernel is 2.6.8.1 as well as they 
found a tiny bug in 2.6.8 version). Letters behind a version could mess 
with things like a for Alpha, b for Beta, RC for Release Candidate and 
so on. I think 0.9.5.1 is the only logical explenation to what happened 
to us and why are we releasing a new version.
 

To be honest, I don't really mind what it's called like. This might be a 
good idea after all, as long as there will be an update to the latest 
release version.

There were enough changes (both fixes and updates) to justify one (IMHO).
   

I almost agree with that :-).  It seems like folks are pretty busy now and not
a lot is being added to cvs.  That means this could be a great time to get a
fairly stable release out.
It seems like it should just be called 0.9.6 and I we should avoid last minute
changes now (otherwise, why bother?) and I have no idea what effort is
required on Curt's part to do this.
So I won't say much other than we should stay on the same numbering scheme.
 

I usually plan on a full week of *all* my non-work spare time plus some 
to get a release out.  Right now I'm getting hammered at work and at 
home so I don't have *any* spare time.  I have to go out of town for the 
entire weekend which means I'll be playing catchup most of next week.  
Probably early sept. is the soonest I could realistically start thinking 
about a next release.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 0.9.5-1

2004-08-17 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis L. Olson wrote:
I usually plan on a full week of *all* my non-work spare time plus some 
to get a release out.  Right now I'm getting hammered at work and at 
home so I don't have *any* spare time.  I have to go out of town for the 
entire weekend which means I'll be playing catchup most of next week.  
Probably early sept. is the soonest I could realistically start thinking 
about a next release.
There really is no rush, it gives more time for bug hunting ...
Maybe by that time it really is feasible to call it 0.9.6 after all.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 0.9.5-1

2004-08-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Erik Hofman wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering, do others feel that the changes in the last week or 
so justify a new release (0.9.5-1)? I have the feeling that it does.

I realize Curtis is busy for the next two weeks so it has to wait some 
more, but if this is desired I will hold off any drastic changes to 
the code until after the release.

What do you all think?
Erik
What specific changes are you refering to?
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 0.9.5-1

2004-08-16 Thread Kalle Valo
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I was wondering, do others feel that the changes in the last week or
 so justify a new release (0.9.5-1)?

If you are going to make a new release, just don't name it 0.9.5-1,
please. That would create lots of confusion for both users and
distribution packagers. 

The reason is that the dash character is used to separate packaging
version from upstream version in Linux distribution packages. At least
that's how it's in Debian and I think rpm-based distros use the same
scheme, don't know about other distros. For example, the current
flightgear's version in Debian unstable is 0.9.4-1.

http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/flightgear

In my opinion, you could call the new release just 0.9.6. It's not
like the numbers would run out anytime soon :) That is, if you use the
same numbering scheme as Linux kernel (after 0.9.9 release comes
0.9.10).

Thank you for a great simulator! I will order my copy of Stick and
Rudder soon and start learning flying.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 0.9.5-1

2004-08-16 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis L. Olson wrote:
Erik Hofman wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering, do others feel that the changes in the last week or 
so justify a new release (0.9.5-1)? I have the feeling that it does.

I realize Curtis is busy for the next two weeks so it has to wait some 
more, but if this is desired I will hold off any drastic changes to 
the code until after the release.

What do you all think?
Erik
What specific changes are you refering to?
Fixes for the Scenery Loading dialog that now loads much faster on low 
end hardware because it is frame rate independent (thanks to Frederic).

Lots of small fixes (joystick configurations, Nasal fuel handling for 
the Spitfire and fixing the mouse freeze after exit problem).

To name a few.
Overall, the code as it is now feels a lot more comfortable compared to 
the previous release. We could take some time and fix some more 
problems, but I didn't announce the previous release for IRIX because it 
didn't feel right.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 0.9.5-1

2004-08-16 Thread Erik Hofman
Kalle Valo wrote:
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I was wondering, do others feel that the changes in the last week or
so justify a new release (0.9.5-1)?

If you are going to make a new release, just don't name it 0.9.5-1,
please. That would create lots of confusion for both users and
distribution packagers. 
Good point, I realized that after posting the message.
I don't think 0.9.6 would be a good idea, but 0.9.5b could be used (as 
this scheme is already in use for the Windows binary).

Erik

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 0.9.5-1

2004-08-16 Thread Chris Metzler
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:08:42 +0200
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kalle Valo wrote:
 
 If you are going to make a new release, just don't name it 0.9.5-1,
 please. That would create lots of confusion for both users and
 distribution packagers. 
 
 Good point, I realized that after posting the message.
 I don't think 0.9.6 would be a good idea, but 0.9.5b could be used (as 
 this scheme is already in use for the Windows binary).

Debian is one of the distros that use numbers after the - for
local changes to an upstream version, packaging changes, etc.
Lots of other Debian packages have a or b or whatever added
to the upstream version number without a problem.  So I agree
that this should work fine.

-c

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