Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Jack Mermod
Would it be possible to start logging and saving (and publishing) MP messages somewhere so a person with a grievance would have some hard evidence to show what happened. Right now when push comes to shove, we are in a he said/she said situation. But if we logged every message + call

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Francesco Angelo Brisa
just a small idea: why can't we use the flightgear phpbb forum accounts ? we already have a table containing users/emails/md5 passwords. the server could check for an user/password against this table (ok, not with a direct connection to the mysql db, but calling an ad-hoc php page that verifies

[Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Jörg Emmerich
As a guy who gets insulted about every second day while trying to enforce proper ATC onto everybody approaching EDDF I surely would support a system which could solve that problem - if I just had the slightest idea how to overcome the following questions: # How can we avoid that somebody (who

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcing: FSWeekend 2010

2010-10-20 Thread Torsten Dreyer
Hi All, I would just like to drop a note here, announcing that FSWeekend, the largest flight simulation event in Europe is coming up again. As in previous years, the event will be organized in the Aviodrome, the aviation museum at Lelystad (EHLE) airport, in the Netherlands. This year,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis Olson wrote: Another thought. I know it would be a huge effort to setup a system with user id's and passwords, self registration, [...] ^ To be honest, I'd expect those who deliberately are being rude will just create a new account after

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Curtis Olson
It would not be dissimilar from the forum, or the wiki or any other CMS. All those systems need to deal with user management and authentication, and as soon as the flightgear MP starts ruling the world, we'll probably see spambots too. Once we start attracting spammers then do we still consider

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Torsten Dreyer
That stuff is unnecessary and in real life you'd probably get your license yanked if you were caught using foul language on the radio. Here, in Canada , its a $5000 fine and/or a year in jail.That,s a pretty good deterrent :). When I had my first engine failure in RL, I remember not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Mally
?How about two systems? An introductory/open system, and a second system available only to those people who have not abused the first? (I won't go into practical details, it's just the basic idea I'm tentatively proposing. It could be a complete non-runner for fundamental reasons I'm not aware

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcing: FSWeekend 2010

2010-10-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:58:35 +0200, Torsten wrote in message 201010201358.35298.tors...@t3r.de: Hi All, I would just like to drop a note here, announcing that FSWeekend, the largest flight simulation event in Europe is coming up again. As in previous years, the event will be organized

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcing: FSWeekend 2010

2010-10-20 Thread Martin Spott
Torsten Dreyer wrote: If you were still looking for an excuse to fly into Amsterdam and visit FSWeekend, this machine definitely is one! s/Amsterdam/Lelystad/ Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcing: FSWeekend 2010

2010-10-20 Thread Martin Spott
Torsten Dreyer wrote: We met the nice guys of Thomas-Krenn AG at this year's LinuxTag where we were almost booth neighbours. Durk, Martin and I visited the their headquarter a few weeks ago. thanks to Torsten and his wife, without whose generous support the entire trip would have been

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Reagan Thomas
On 10/20/2010 7:39 AM, Curtis Olson wrote: It would not be dissimilar from the forum, or the wiki or any other CMS. All those systems need to deal with user management and authentication, and as soon as the flightgear MP starts ruling the world, we'll probably see spambots too. Once we

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Hi all, L Francesco wrote: why can't we use the flightgear phpbb forum accounts ? we already have a table containing users/emails/md5 passwords. the server could check for an user/password against this table (ok, not with a direct connection to the mysql db, but calling an ad-hoc php

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Nathanael Rebsch
Gene Buckle wrote: On Tue, 19 Oct 2010, Curtis Olson wrote: Oh dear ... http://www.noswearing.com/dictionary I was going to say that we could probably do a pretty good job at coming up with a list ourselves, then I saw this site and realized I'm a complete novice ... A filter

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Wednesday 20 October 2010 18:57:05 Nathanael Rebsch wrote: Implementing such a filter on the client side will open your eyes to the pitfalls of that quite quickly - i'll just compile fg myself, and apply a patch which disables such a filter - now what you want to do? security by (client

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Nathanael Rebsch
Stefan Seifert wrote: On Wednesday 20 October 2010 18:57:05 Nathanael Rebsch wrote: Implementing such a filter on the client side will open your eyes to the pitfalls of that quite quickly - i'll just compile fg myself, and apply a patch which disables such a filter - now what you want to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Stuart Buchanan
-Stuart On 20 Oct 2010, at 18:10, Nathanael Rebsch nathan...@dihedral.de wrote: Stefan Seifert wrote: On Wednesday 20 October 2010 18:57:05 Nathanael Rebsch wrote: Implementing such a filter on the client side will open your eyes to the pitfalls of that quite quickly - i'll just

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On 20 Oct 2010, at 18:10, Nathanael Rebsch wrote: In that case you bandwidth payload for no good reason. No worse than at present. As I said earlier, I would also put a filter on the sender to filter the casual profanity and make our expected standard of behaviour clear. IMO a filter is a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Nathanael Rebsch
Stuart Buchanan wrote: On 20 Oct 2010, at 18:10, Nathanael Rebsch wrote: In that case you bandwidth payload for no good reason. No worse than at present. As I said earlier, I would also put a filter on the sender to filter the casual profanity and make our expected standard of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, Stuart Buchanan wrote: On 20 Oct 2010, at 18:10, Nathanael Rebsch wrote: In that case you bandwidth payload for no good reason. No worse than at present. As I said earlier, I would also put a filter on the sender to filter the casual profanity and make our expected

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Scott Hamilton
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 21:02 +, Martin Spott wrote: Curtis Olson wrote: Would it be bad if a user had a choice between the open free for all we currently have and a more constrained and managed system (that someone has taken the time to build and continues to manage.) No, offering

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Martin Spott
Scott Hamilton wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 21:02 +, Martin Spott wrote: Whenever/whatever people are going to do about adding authentication support to MP servers, if they'd consider adding an interface which is capable of talking to an LDAP directory service (inetOrgPerson LDAP Object

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ridding Multiplayer of Abusers

2010-10-20 Thread Scott Hamilton
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 22:21 +, Martin Spott wrote: Scott Hamilton wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 21:02 +, Martin Spott wrote: Whenever/whatever people are going to do about adding authentication support to MP servers, if they'd consider adding an interface which is capable of

[Flightgear-devel] F/A-18 License

2010-10-20 Thread Jack Mermod
Hi Everybody, I've been doing some heavy work on Mathias Frohlich's F/A-18 lately, but I have been forced to postpone my release of the improved version due to the fact that I cannot find any indication of what license it is under. I've searched around looking for