Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[Markus Wanner]

On 09/03/2013 03:28 PM, James Turner wrote:
> For 3.0 I will be making FGData significantly smaller, since the size of
> the Git repo is indeed a big problem.

A huge +1 with my packager's hat on.

Regards

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[grtuxhangar team]

> For 3.0 I will be making FGData significantly smaller, since the size of
> the Git repo is indeed a big problem. Some pieces will become truly
> optional, and others will be downloaded in different ways.
>
> However this is all for the future, I'm afraid I don't have a short term
> answer.
>
>

> It did seem to me that grtuxhangar was not getting the answers that they
> wanted. I hope that they are a little happier now and will be able to wait
> until the solution appears.
>
> Hello, James,  Alan

Yes we can be happier with the answer.
Any others answers are only answer "beside", which would solve nothing
regarding our resources, those answers are to us out of topic.

It easy to understand the world is not covered with a network communication
usable by every persons everywhere over the world
That's because we had to create a specific Git Project within Gitorious
(eekpo)  in order to build and  propose our updates, so any member within
our development team can work with.
We could not use any FG Clone, an so we could not ask for any merge request
when we had an update to propose.

Thanks to Stuart who did the work. to take our work and to copy to FGData

Usually  downloading or uploading   a more than 15 Mb  sized file  is
becoming a problem to us.


I can conclude, since we can work with the source Flightgear and Simgear FG
2.99 ( fortunately we can update it, the time to update is long but doable
), we will go on with our existing FGData, (was partly updated 1 month
ago)  as long as we can do.

I hope we won't have any trouble since we are working on an update of
Alouette III which is right now well advanced , it is sitting in our
https://gitorious.org/~eekpo  project,  the target was to offer by the end
of that year a completed achieved model, let's cross the fingers.

All the best

Ahmad




On 3 September 2013 22:59, Arnt Karlsen  wrote:

> On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 19:20:58 +0100, James wrote in message
> <4fdd17d4-a2f2-4bb7-b1fb-a0112dac0...@mac.com>:
>
> > And also, well, all the commits relating to SVN
>
> ..is this something we should do with git or git-svn instead?
> I ask because I and Pat play with git-svn in the next version
> of download_and_compile.sh.
>
> > and aircraft
> > packages, and the code for multiple-aircraft dir support, and the
> > HTTP engine, and its support gzip compression, and …. so on :)
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 19:20:58 +0100, James wrote in message 
<4fdd17d4-a2f2-4bb7-b1fb-a0112dac0...@mac.com>:

> And also, well, all the commits relating to SVN 

..is this something we should do with git or git-svn instead?
I ask because I and Pat play with git-svn in the next version
of download_and_compile.sh.

> and aircraft
> packages, and the code for multiple-aircraft dir support, and the
> HTTP engine, and its support gzip compression, and …. so on :)


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[Alan Teeder]

James

I am very pleased to read that this subject is at last receiving the attention 
that it deserves. My comments were based solely upon the outcome of previous 
discussions on this subject.

It did seem to me that grtuxhangar was not getting the answers that they 
wanted. I hope that they are a little happier now and will be able to wait 
until the solution appears.

Thanks

Alan

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Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) 
from Git


On 3 Sep 2013, at 18:19, Stuart Buchanan  wrote:


  On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Alan Teederwrote:

Not everyone lives in a big city with fast broadband and the powers that be
seem to bury their heads in the sand when the topic is bought up - as it has
been and will be – again and again and again.


  Can I refer you to Jame Turner's posts at 2:28pm and 5:37pm indicating that
  he is planning to address this for V3.0 at the end of the year?  I may have 
got
  lost in the other comments.

And also, well, all the commits relating to SVN and aircraft packages, and the 
code for multiple-aircraft dir support, and the HTTP engine, and its support 
gzip compression, and …. so on :)

The topic is not being ignored, it's just very complex to fix, there are 
multiple conflicting requirements, and so on. Many of the pieces are now in 
place but others remain so further patience is needed. 

(And now I shall return to debugging the SVN code so we can reliably use it to 
download and update portions of FGData dynamically, which will reduce the size 
of both the installers and the data repo…..)

Regards,
James




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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[James Turner]

On 3 Sep 2013, at 18:19, Stuart Buchanan  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Alan Teederwrote:
>> Not everyone lives in a big city with fast broadband and the powers that be
>> seem to bury their heads in the sand when the topic is bought up - as it has
>> been and will be – again and again and again.
> 
> Can I refer you to Jame Turner's posts at 2:28pm and 5:37pm indicating that
> he is planning to address this for V3.0 at the end of the year?  I may have 
> got
> lost in the other comments.

And also, well, all the commits relating to SVN and aircraft packages, and the 
code for multiple-aircraft dir support, and the HTTP engine, and its support 
gzip compression, and …. so on :)

The topic is not being ignored, it's just very complex to fix, there are 
multiple conflicting requirements, and so on. Many of the pieces are now in 
place but others remain so further patience is needed. 

(And now I shall return to debugging the SVN code so we can reliably use it to 
download and update portions of FGData dynamically, which will reduce the size 
of both the installers and the data repo…..)

Regards,
James

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[geneb]

On Tue, 3 Sep 2013, grtuxhangar team wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Thanks for the joke
>
> Ahmad
>
>
How about you not be a jerk when you don't get what you want, when you 
want it?

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[Stuart Buchanan]

Hi Alan,

On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Alan Teederwrote:
> Not everyone lives in a big city with fast broadband and the powers that be
> seem to bury their heads in the sand when the topic is bought up - as it has
> been and will be – again and again and again.

Can I refer you to Jame Turner's posts at 2:28pm and 5:37pm indicating that
he is planning to address this for V3.0 at the end of the year?  I may have got
lost in the other comments.

Unfortunately this is a difficult problem to solve without nasty side-effects.
Fortunately we have people like James to do so :)

-Stuart

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[James Turner]

On 3 Sep 2013, at 16:57, Stefan Seifert  wrote:

> I hope with the reorganization we don't lose the simpleness of doing a git 
> pull to get the latest and greatest of all aircraft. Having to look for 
> scattered repos would be a severe drawback.

The repos will be disjoint, but there will be automated ways (both GUI and 
command-line based) to update from all of them. Indeed, the intent (and the 
code is already in Simgear, but not used because there are no front-ends yet) 
is to improve the situation of finding aircraft, because different hangars can 
be searched (including by tags), the system is aware of which aircraft work / 
do not work with your active FG version, and so on. The other major goal of the 
system is to make the user-experience of dealing with aircraft installation 
much better, so that users don't need to mess with Git, extracting tar files, 
or aircraft search paths, in order to get aircraft not shipped in the base 
package, or have to figure out if a particular zip is for FG 2.6, 2.8, or 
whatever.

There's some other complementary steps which again are mostly in place but need 
to be developed, again post 2.12.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[Olivier]

Hi




 De : grtuxhangar team 
Envoyé le : Mardi 3 septembre 2013 19h04


> Which is out of topic since i refer to GIT FG 2.99

What could be done, and what I did when I was younger was to kindly ask someone 
with a broadband access to burn you a DVD with the latest git data and send it 
to you via postal mail. Send him a SASE with one or two DVDs, and I'm sure it 
will do.

Then a git pull would probably make the difference ?

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[Curtis Olson]

On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 11:31 AM, grtuxhangar team wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Thanks for the joke
>
> Ahmad
>

Hi Ahmad,

I was offering a serious suggestion.  I did say that it wouldn't be
appropriate for everyone, and I do not know your personal situation.  If
you derived humor from my suggestion, then I will make a mental note of the
unexpected joke so I can try to use it again sometime.  If you derived
something less positive, then that was not intended and must have it's
source elsewhere.

Best regards,

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[Olivier]

And the DVD solution ?


http://shopping.flightgear.org/product/program-dvd-v2-10/



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Envoyé le : Mardi 3 septembre 2013 18h08
Objet : Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from 
Git
 


Thanks Saikrishna

.
Though my question was to Arnt remark.

By the way: 
Working in a consistent way with FG source 2.99 wants FGData  without the 
Aircraft directory ( we don't need it )
Isn't it possible to have an extract of FGData without Aircraft ?

All the best

Ahmad







On 3 September 2013 17:51, Saikrishna Arcot  wrote:

The answer was posted a while back. In the short term (immediately),
>the only ways to get the full fgdata bundle is to either use git or
>download the 5 GB bundle and update from that, both of which are not
>possible*. In the long term, according to James, the repo will be
>reorganized such that the sizes are smaller.
>
>*: Technically, a torrent download of the bundle would allow you pause
>and resume, so if there are cut-outs, you won't have to restart. That
>being said, downloading 5 GB on a phone line will take a long time (a
>week?).
>
>Saikrishna Arcot
>
>
>On Tue 03 Sep 2013 11:44:32 AM EDT, grtuxhangar team wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Are n't you missing some understanding ? or did  my question was
>> "middle ages" ?
>>  To you,  how long does it takes to download 5 GB  with a simple
>> phone  line ?  guessing there is not any cut out during the time.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ahmad
>>
>>
>> On 3 September 2013 16:58, Arnt Karlsen 
>> <mailto:a...@iaksess.no>> wrote:
>>
>>     On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:28:21 +0100, James wrote in message
>>     <4c5262ae-653a-475f-ad09-91fe74617...@mac.com
>>     <mailto:4c5262ae-653a-475f-ad09-91fe74617...@mac.com>>:
>
>>
>>     >
>>     > On 3 Sep 2013, at 14:13, grtuxhangar team 
>>     <mailto:hohora...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     > > How could we have FGData split  in several part  which can be
>>     > > downloaded easily ? Or is there any other way with Git which is
>>     > > similar to the old way with "snapshot."  ?
>>     >
>>     > For 3.0 I will be making FGData significantly smaller, since the
>>     size
>>     > of the Git repo is indeed a big problem. Some pieces will become
>>     > truly optional, and others will be downloaded in different ways.
>>     >
>>     > However this is all for the future, I'm afraid I don't have a short
>>     > term answer.
>>
>>     ..a short term answer would be do a wget -c fgdata.bundle, the
>>     git bundle dance and then do a git pull to make gitorius happy,
>>     but do we still have such fgdata.bundle animals anywhere?
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[grtuxhangar team]

Curt,

Thanks for the joke

Ahmad


On 3 September 2013 18:24, grtuxhangar team  wrote:

>
>
>> I hope with the reorganization we don't lose the simpleness of doing a git
>> pull to get the latest and greatest of all aircraft. Having to look for
>> scattered repos would be a severe drawback.
>
>
> We need  the possibility to download  a Model , like said at the
> beginning,
> Only a fair split organization would make it usable.
>
> The severe drawback is today since the choice is everything or NOTHING
> which is right now  the case.
>
>
> Ahmad
>
>
>
> On 3 September 2013 17:57, Stefan Seifert  wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday 03 September 2013 11:51:34 Saikrishna Arcot wrote:
>>
>> > *: Technically, a torrent download of the bundle would allow you pause
>> > and resume, so if there are cut-outs, you won't have to restart. That
>> > being said, downloading 5 GB on a phone line will take a long time (a
>> > week?).
>>
>> Actually you don't need a torrent for pause/resume. Just a tar bundle of
>> the
>> repo on an http or ftp server and wget -c like already suggested.
>>
>> > In the long term, according to James, the repo will be
>> > reorganized such that the sizes are smaller.
>>
>> I hope with the reorganization we don't lose the simpleness of doing a git
>> pull to get the latest and greatest of all aircraft. Having to look for
>> scattered repos would be a severe drawback.
>>
>> Stefan
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[Alan Teeder]

You are not the only one who would like to have this. Heaven knows how many 
newcomers are unable to get a successful clone of fgdata  - which is necessary 
for anyone who wants to use and keep up with the bleeding-edge 
flightgear/simgear. The forum routinely has this problem bought up. All kind of 
fixes are suggested such as using torrent, an fgdata bundle, wget –c. These 
tips are of course easy to find if you have time to read all the past messages 
both here and on the forum. None of this makes a pleasant welcome to any would 
be developer.

Not everyone lives in a big city with fast broadband and the powers that be 
seem to bury their heads in the sand when the topic is bought up - as it has 
been and will be – again and again and again.

Alan

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To: FlightGear developers discussions 
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) 
from Git

Thanks Saikrishna

.

Though my question was to Arnt remark.


By the way: 
Working in a consistent way with FG source 2.99 wants FGData  without the 
Aircraft directory ( we don't need it )

Isn't it possible to have an extract of FGData without Aircraft ?


All the best


Ahmad








On 3 September 2013 17:51, Saikrishna Arcot  wrote:

  The answer was posted a while back. In the short term (immediately),
  the only ways to get the full fgdata bundle is to either use git or
  download the 5 GB bundle and update from that, both of which are not
  possible*. In the long term, according to James, the repo will be
  reorganized such that the sizes are smaller.

  *: Technically, a torrent download of the bundle would allow you pause
  and resume, so if there are cut-outs, you won't have to restart. That
  being said, downloading 5 GB on a phone line will take a long time (a
  week?).

  Saikrishna Arcot


  On Tue 03 Sep 2013 11:44:32 AM EDT, grtuxhangar team wrote:
  > Hello,
  > Are n't you missing some understanding ? or did  my question was
  > "middle ages" ?
  >  To you,  how long does it takes to download 5 GB  with a simple
  > phone  line ?  guessing there is not any cut out during the time.
  >
  > Thanks
  >
  > Ahmad
  >
  >
  > On 3 September 2013 16:58, Arnt Karlsen  <mailto:a...@iaksess.no>> wrote:
  >
  > On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:28:21 +0100, James wrote in message
  > <4c5262ae-653a-475f-ad09-91fe74617...@mac.com

  > <mailto:4c5262ae-653a-475f-ad09-91fe74617...@mac.com>>:

  >
  > >
  > > On 3 Sep 2013, at 14:13, grtuxhangar team  <mailto:hohora...@gmail.com>> wrote:
  > >
  > > > How could we have FGData split  in several part  which can be
  > > > downloaded easily ? Or is there any other way with Git which is
  > > > similar to the old way with "snapshot."  ?
  > >
  > > For 3.0 I will be making FGData significantly smaller, since the
  > size
  > > of the Git repo is indeed a big problem. Some pieces will become
  > > truly optional, and others will be downloaded in different ways.
  > >
  > > However this is all for the future, I'm afraid I don't have a short
  > > term answer.
  >
  > ..a short term answer would be do a wget -c fgdata.bundle, the
  > git bundle dance and then do a git pull to make gitorius happy,
  > but do we still have such fgdata.bundle animals anywhere?
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[grtuxhangar team]

Olivier

Which is out of topic since i refer to GIT FG 2.99

@geneb
You probably did not read my first questions i just asked for solution,
noticing we had lost a useful tool.
 However you are free to say i am a jerk

Best

Ahmad



On 3 September 2013 18:47, Olivier  wrote:

> And the DVD solution ?
> http://shopping.flightgear.org/product/program-dvd-v2-10/
>
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> *Objet :* Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others
> data ) from Git
>
> Thanks Saikrishna
> .
> Though my question was to Arnt remark.
>
> By the way:
> Working in a consistent way with FG source 2.99 wants FGData  without the
> Aircraft directory ( we don't need it )
> Isn't it possible to have an extract of FGData without Aircraft ?
>
> All the best
>
> Ahmad
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3 September 2013 17:51, Saikrishna Arcot  wrote:
>
> The answer was posted a while back. In the short term (immediately),
> the only ways to get the full fgdata bundle is to either use git or
> download the 5 GB bundle and update from that, both of which are not
> possible*. In the long term, according to James, the repo will be
> reorganized such that the sizes are smaller.
>
> *: Technically, a torrent download of the bundle would allow you pause
> and resume, so if there are cut-outs, you won't have to restart. That
> being said, downloading 5 GB on a phone line will take a long time (a
> week?).
>
> Saikrishna Arcot
>
> On Tue 03 Sep 2013 11:44:32 AM EDT, grtuxhangar team wrote:
> > Hello,
> > Are n't you missing some understanding ? or did  my question was
> > "middle ages" ?
> >  To you,  how long does it takes to download 5 GB  with a simple
> > phone  line ?  guessing there is not any cut out during the time.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ahmad
> >
> >
> > On 3 September 2013 16:58, Arnt Karlsen  > <mailto:a...@iaksess.no>> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:28:21 +0100, James wrote in message
> > <4c5262ae-653a-475f-ad09-91fe74617...@mac.com
> > <mailto:4c5262ae-653a-475f-ad09-91fe74617...@mac.com>>:
> >
> > >
> > > On 3 Sep 2013, at 14:13, grtuxhangar team  > <mailto:hohora...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > How could we have FGData split  in several part  which can be
> > > > downloaded easily ? Or is there any other way with Git which is
> > > > similar to the old way with "snapshot."  ?
> > >
> > > For 3.0 I will be making FGData significantly smaller, since the
> > size
> > > of the Git repo is indeed a big problem. Some pieces will become
> > > truly optional, and others will be downloaded in different ways.
> > >
> > > However this is all for the future, I'm afraid I don't have a short
> > > term answer.
> >
> > ..a short term answer would be do a wget -c fgdata.bundle, the
> > git bundle dance and then do a git pull to make gitorius happy,
> > but do we still have such fgdata.bundle animals anywhere?
> >
> > --
> > ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

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>
> I hope with the reorganization we don't lose the simpleness of doing a git
> pull to get the latest and greatest of all aircraft. Having to look for
> scattered repos would be a severe drawback.


We need  the possibility to download  a Model , like said at the beginning,
Only a fair split organization would make it usable.

The severe drawback is today since the choice is everything or NOTHING
which is right now  the case.


Ahmad



On 3 September 2013 17:57, Stefan Seifert  wrote:

> On Tuesday 03 September 2013 11:51:34 Saikrishna Arcot wrote:
>
> > *: Technically, a torrent download of the bundle would allow you pause
> > and resume, so if there are cut-outs, you won't have to restart. That
> > being said, downloading 5 GB on a phone line will take a long time (a
> > week?).
>
> Actually you don't need a torrent for pause/resume. Just a tar bundle of
> the
> repo on an http or ftp server and wget -c like already suggested.
>
> > In the long term, according to James, the repo will be
> > reorganized such that the sizes are smaller.
>
> I hope with the reorganization we don't lose the simpleness of doing a git
> pull to get the latest and greatest of all aircraft. Having to look for
> scattered repos would be a severe drawback.
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[Curtis Olson]

Here's another idea for downloading large quantities of data.  I realize
this will not be an option for everyone, but consider going to an internet
cafe, or library, or someplace with faster internet.  Spend a couple bucks
supporting the business and hang out while your data is downloading.


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 11:08 AM, grtuxhangar team wrote:

> Thanks Saikrishna
> .
> Though my question was to Arnt remark.
>
> By the way:
> Working in a consistent way with FG source 2.99 wants FGData  without the
> Aircraft directory ( we don't need it )
> Isn't it possible to have an extract of FGData without Aircraft ?
>
> All the best
>
> Ahmad
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3 September 2013 17:51, Saikrishna Arcot  wrote:
>
>> The answer was posted a while back. In the short term (immediately),
>> the only ways to get the full fgdata bundle is to either use git or
>> download the 5 GB bundle and update from that, both of which are not
>> possible*. In the long term, according to James, the repo will be
>> reorganized such that the sizes are smaller.
>>
>> *: Technically, a torrent download of the bundle would allow you pause
>> and resume, so if there are cut-outs, you won't have to restart. That
>> being said, downloading 5 GB on a phone line will take a long time (a
>> week?).
>>
>> Saikrishna Arcot
>>
>> On Tue 03 Sep 2013 11:44:32 AM EDT, grtuxhangar team wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> > Are n't you missing some understanding ? or did  my question was
>> > "middle ages" ?
>> >  To you,  how long does it takes to download 5 GB  with a simple
>> > phone  line ?  guessing there is not any cut out during the time.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Ahmad
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3 September 2013 16:58, Arnt Karlsen > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:28:21 +0100, James wrote in message
>> > <4c5262ae-653a-475f-ad09-91fe74617...@mac.com
>> > >:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > On 3 Sep 2013, at 14:13, grtuxhangar team > > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > How could we have FGData split  in several part  which can be
>> > > > downloaded easily ? Or is there any other way with Git which is
>> > > > similar to the old way with "snapshot."  ?
>> > >
>> > > For 3.0 I will be making FGData significantly smaller, since the
>> > size
>> > > of the Git repo is indeed a big problem. Some pieces will become
>> > > truly optional, and others will be downloaded in different ways.
>> > >
>> > > However this is all for the future, I'm afraid I don't have a
>> short
>> > > term answer.
>> >
>> > ..a short term answer would be do a wget -c fgdata.bundle, the
>> > git bundle dance and then do a git pull to make gitorius happy,
>> > but do we still have such fgdata.bundle animals anywhere?
>> >
>> > --
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>> >   best case, worst case, and just in case.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[Stefan Seifert]

On Tuesday 03 September 2013 11:51:34 Saikrishna Arcot wrote:

> *: Technically, a torrent download of the bundle would allow you pause
> and resume, so if there are cut-outs, you won't have to restart. That
> being said, downloading 5 GB on a phone line will take a long time (a
> week?).

Actually you don't need a torrent for pause/resume. Just a tar bundle of the 
repo on an http or ftp server and wget -c like already suggested.

> In the long term, according to James, the repo will be 
> reorganized such that the sizes are smaller.

I hope with the reorganization we don't lose the simpleness of doing a git 
pull to get the latest and greatest of all aircraft. Having to look for 
scattered repos would be a severe drawback.

Stefan

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[Saikrishna Arcot]

The answer was posted a while back. In the short term (immediately), 
the only ways to get the full fgdata bundle is to either use git or 
download the 5 GB bundle and update from that, both of which are not 
possible*. In the long term, according to James, the repo will be 
reorganized such that the sizes are smaller.

*: Technically, a torrent download of the bundle would allow you pause 
and resume, so if there are cut-outs, you won't have to restart. That 
being said, downloading 5 GB on a phone line will take a long time (a 
week?).

Saikrishna Arcot

On Tue 03 Sep 2013 11:44:32 AM EDT, grtuxhangar team wrote:
> Hello,
> Are n't you missing some understanding ? or did  my question was
> "middle ages" ?
>  To you,  how long does it takes to download 5 GB  with a simple
> phone  line ?  guessing there is not any cut out during the time.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ahmad
>
>
> On 3 September 2013 16:58, Arnt Karlsen  > wrote:
>
> On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:28:21 +0100, James wrote in message
> <4c5262ae-653a-475f-ad09-91fe74617...@mac.com
> >:
>
> >
> > On 3 Sep 2013, at 14:13, grtuxhangar team  > wrote:
> >
> > > How could we have FGData split  in several part  which can be
> > > downloaded easily ? Or is there any other way with Git which is
> > > similar to the old way with "snapshot."  ?
> >
> > For 3.0 I will be making FGData significantly smaller, since the
> size
> > of the Git repo is indeed a big problem. Some pieces will become
> > truly optional, and others will be downloaded in different ways.
> >
> > However this is all for the future, I'm afraid I don't have a short
> > term answer.
>
> ..a short term answer would be do a wget -c fgdata.bundle, the
> git bundle dance and then do a git pull to make gitorius happy,
> but do we still have such fgdata.bundle animals anywhere?
>
> --
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:28:21 +0100, James wrote in message 
<4c5262ae-653a-475f-ad09-91fe74617...@mac.com>:

> 
> On 3 Sep 2013, at 14:13, grtuxhangar team  wrote:
> 
> > How could we have FGData split  in several part  which can be
> > downloaded easily ? Or is there any other way with Git which is
> > similar to the old way with "snapshot."  ?
> 
> For 3.0 I will be making FGData significantly smaller, since the size
> of the Git repo is indeed a big problem. Some pieces will become
> truly optional, and others will be downloaded in different ways.
> 
> However this is all for the future, I'm afraid I don't have a short
> term answer.

..a short term answer would be do a wget -c fgdata.bundle, the 
git bundle dance and then do a git pull to make gitorius happy, 
but do we still have such fgdata.bundle animals anywhere?  

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[grtuxhangar team]

Hello,
Are n't you missing some understanding ? or did  my question was "middle
ages" ?
 To you,  how long does it takes to download 5 GB  with a simple phone
line ?  guessing there is not any cut out during the time.

Thanks

Ahmad


On 3 September 2013 16:58, Arnt Karlsen  wrote:

> On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:28:21 +0100, James wrote in message
> <4c5262ae-653a-475f-ad09-91fe74617...@mac.com>:
>
> >
> > On 3 Sep 2013, at 14:13, grtuxhangar team  wrote:
> >
> > > How could we have FGData split  in several part  which can be
> > > downloaded easily ? Or is there any other way with Git which is
> > > similar to the old way with "snapshot."  ?
> >
> > For 3.0 I will be making FGData significantly smaller, since the size
> > of the Git repo is indeed a big problem. Some pieces will become
> > truly optional, and others will be downloaded in different ways.
> >
> > However this is all for the future, I'm afraid I don't have a short
> > term answer.
>
> ..a short term answer would be do a wget -c fgdata.bundle, the
> git bundle dance and then do a git pull to make gitorius happy,
> but do we still have such fgdata.bundle animals anywhere?
>
> --
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[grtuxhangar team]

Thanks Saikrishna
.
Though my question was to Arnt remark.

By the way:
Working in a consistent way with FG source 2.99 wants FGData  without the
Aircraft directory ( we don't need it )
Isn't it possible to have an extract of FGData without Aircraft ?

All the best

Ahmad





On 3 September 2013 17:51, Saikrishna Arcot  wrote:

> The answer was posted a while back. In the short term (immediately),
> the only ways to get the full fgdata bundle is to either use git or
> download the 5 GB bundle and update from that, both of which are not
> possible*. In the long term, according to James, the repo will be
> reorganized such that the sizes are smaller.
>
> *: Technically, a torrent download of the bundle would allow you pause
> and resume, so if there are cut-outs, you won't have to restart. That
> being said, downloading 5 GB on a phone line will take a long time (a
> week?).
>
> Saikrishna Arcot
>
> On Tue 03 Sep 2013 11:44:32 AM EDT, grtuxhangar team wrote:
> > Hello,
> > Are n't you missing some understanding ? or did  my question was
> > "middle ages" ?
> >  To you,  how long does it takes to download 5 GB  with a simple
> > phone  line ?  guessing there is not any cut out during the time.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ahmad
> >
> >
> > On 3 September 2013 16:58, Arnt Karlsen  > > wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:28:21 +0100, James wrote in message
> > <4c5262ae-653a-475f-ad09-91fe74617...@mac.com
> > >:
> >
> > >
> > > On 3 Sep 2013, at 14:13, grtuxhangar team  > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > How could we have FGData split  in several part  which can be
> > > > downloaded easily ? Or is there any other way with Git which is
> > > > similar to the old way with "snapshot."  ?
> > >
> > > For 3.0 I will be making FGData significantly smaller, since the
> > size
> > > of the Git repo is indeed a big problem. Some pieces will become
> > > truly optional, and others will be downloaded in different ways.
> > >
> > > However this is all for the future, I'm afraid I don't have a short
> > > term answer.
> >
> > ..a short term answer would be do a wget -c fgdata.bundle, the
> > git bundle dance and then do a git pull to make gitorius happy,
> > but do we still have such fgdata.bundle animals anywhere?
> >
> > --
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[Saikrishna Arcot]

There is a torrent version of the ~5GB fgdata.bundle, but unless it's 
been updated, it's about a year old. It might be time to make a new 
bundle.

As of April 28, my personal version of the fgdata.bundle was 5.8 GB.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Tue 03 Sep 2013 10:58:39 AM EDT, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:28:21 +0100, James wrote in message
> <4c5262ae-653a-475f-ad09-91fe74617...@mac.com>:
>
>>
>> On 3 Sep 2013, at 14:13, grtuxhangar team  wrote:
>>
>>> How could we have FGData split  in several part  which can be
>>> downloaded easily ? Or is there any other way with Git which is
>>> similar to the old way with "snapshot."  ?
>>
>> For 3.0 I will be making FGData significantly smaller, since the size
>> of the Git repo is indeed a big problem. Some pieces will become
>> truly optional, and others will be downloaded in different ways.
>>
>> However this is all for the future, I'm afraid I don't have a short
>> term answer.
>
> ..a short term answer would be do a wget -c fgdata.bundle, the
> git bundle dance and then do a git pull to make gitorius happy,
> but do we still have such fgdata.bundle animals anywhere?
>

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[James Turner]

On 3 Sep 2013, at 14:13, grtuxhangar team  wrote:

> How could we have FGData split  in several part  which can be downloaded 
> easily ?
> Or is there any other way with Git which is similar to the old way with 
> "snapshot."  ?

For 3.0 I will be making FGData significantly smaller, since the size of the 
Git repo is indeed a big problem. Some pieces will become truly optional, and 
others will be downloaded in different ways.

However this is all for the future, I'm afraid I don't have a short term answer.

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[Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[grtuxhangar team]

Hello

 This was an old Forum topic
http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10420

When we don't have any high speed connection we can't get  FGData Git which
is bigger than acceptable.

The process which was described at the forum was  an alternative, so we
could use it to update any FGData component   Aircraft , shaders , textures
and so on.

Unfortunately with the new GIT GUI  i just notice we can't longer use it
since the button  link labeled "snapshot." is not longer there.

How could we have FGData split  in several part  which can be downloaded
easily ?
Or is there any other way with Git which is similar to the old way with
"snapshot."  ?

Thanks,

Ahmad

BTW: right  we are locked with any update FG 2.99 related
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