Re: FLUXLIST: Happy Birthday Gaston Bachelard and Emma Goldman(n)!!!
David's in double n mode today! Happy Birthday Bibiana! (and Emma Goldman) R~~ --- Now playing: Filippo Tommaso Marinetti - Battaglia/Peso/Odore RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: Left dot meet a. Right dot don't.
Everyone's dotty! ••• --- Now playing: Funkadelic - One Nation Under A Groove
FLUXLIST: The morse the merrier...
•• •• •• yours, the no-longer dashing Morse Codingham --- Now playing: radio trailer - Truck Turner RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles
On 2006 Jun 20, at 3:01 PM, badgergirl wrote: I have a question: Do these trousers make me look taller? Badgergirl (very) My question: Do her trousers make me look taller? R~~ --- Now playing: AMM - Coffin Nor Shelf
Re: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles
On 2006 Jun 20, at 5:10 PM, Ann Klefstad wrote: There is a sort of bit of a fashion for high school boys to wear girls' trousers . . . ...while they're still in them... yeah, it was the same at *my* school! R~~ --- Now playing: Charles Mingus - Theme For Lester Young (aka Goodbye Pork Pie Hat)
Re: FLUXLIST: -- Poonurse
On 2006 Jun 17, at 12:41 PM, Allan Revich wrote: Poonurse is an RN with 25 years experience in labor and delivery. Her qualifications include seeing a lot of poop, and owning a computer. Also, she works in Michigan, which she calls the asshole of the universe, so that's another bit of credibility. Got a question for her?I have a friend in Sweden who refers to his town as "Shitville."He'll be delighted to receive this news!®ø∂---Now playing: Karlheinz Stockhausen - Donnerstag Aus Licht: Michael's Jugend "Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self." --Cyril Connolly
Re: FLUXLIST: the test is over
On 2006 Jun 14, at 12:43 PM, JJ wrote: Yes, visit! It would be so great to see you. Bring 2 or 3 magnolia thingies! Bring the ears, too. When's Germany? Anyone on the list considering a trip to NYC for the July 10-16 Dada MoMa week? I considered it, but how could I leave the sweating hot joys of Dallas in July? MMm, j. Germany's July or July's Germany. One week of soccer nonsense since I don't give a flyin' FIFA about it, but it may yield some interesting sounds for me to bring back. Went GAGA for DADA in DC this last March. Photos and tiny movies (+ goodies from the museum store - o, dance that capitalist rag!) gotta yum! R~~ --- Now playing: The Utica Club Natural Carbonation Band - Utica Club Natural Carbonation Band Beer Drinking Song
Re: FLUXLIST: Making Sense of Duchamp
On 2006 Jun 15, at 11:24 AM, LeClaire, Candace wrote: For your enjoyment! http://www.understandingduchamp.com/index.html This is quite impressive. Don't pass up the chance to see The Bride accompanying Bachelors in action (1923) (be sure to see the important disclaimers in the notes section at the end)... Thanks Candace. It's really well done! Rod --- Now playing: Steve Roach - Shift the Dimension
Re: FLUXLIST: More Duchamp IN ACTION
On 2006 Jun 15, at 2:37 PM, bibiana padilla maltos wrote: http://www.medienkunstnetz.de/works/rotoreliefs/flash/1/ I like that you can change the speed! Thanks! Rod --- Now playing: Myron Floren - Disco Accordion
FLUXLIST: IRRITABLE BOWEL SYNDROME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vQyB-s6QMc --- Now playing: Ralph Lichtensteiger - Écriture Chiffrée - for James Drew
FLUXLIST: More IBS
Click on Fan Mail - LOL! http://www.myspace.com/ibsmusic --- Now playing: Senator Roscoe Dean - A Ballad to George Wallace RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
FLUXLIST: Websites as graphs
http://www.aharef.info/static/htmlgraph/ R~~
Re: FLUXLIST: Bloomsday News
Yes, this is a disgrace. Joyce has done more for Dublin than Haughey. I was there for the centenary in '04 and it was a wonderful celebration that began months earlier, culminating in extraordinary citywide Bloomsday events straight out of Ulysses with a HUGE parade of a complex musical variety thru Dublin streets! I'd been there in '01, but wanted to really be a part of this massive event in '04. It seems that other folks in other countries are celebrating. Rod
Re: FLUXLIST: test
On 2006 Jun 13, at 11:52 AM, JJ wrote: In Texas lately it's more about basketball playoffs--the bookstore I work... Where? Rod --- Now playing: The Fourth Tower of Inverness - Hi Oh Silver, Awaay!
Re: FLUXLIST: test
On 2006 Jun 13, at 1:00 PM, JJ wrote: Hi Rod! Half Price Books in Mesquite...libraries pay better but they are SO dull! How're yer ears? j. Oh! practically right down the street! I need to visit! Ears are slowly getting better - I think - some issues, but I'm gonna see how I feel when I get back from Germany and talk again to an ENT guy. They don't just suddenly appear clear one day. I was told that it works like the stock market - ups and downs, but generally up over the long haul. I just hope that they don't CRASH! best to you, (I've got more cones in the yard from the Magnolia tree if you need me to save any - ha! - open buds too!) Rod --- Now playing: Hasidic New Wave - Bobover Wedding March Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self. --Cyril Connolly
Re: FLUXLIST: new issue of Monk Mink Pink Punk
On 2006 Jun 08, at 3:09 PM, josh ronsen wrote: New online issue of my zine Monk Mink Pink Punk, featuring: --A long 10-year followup interview with keyboardist Anthony Coleman --A smart aleck defense of abstract art --Reviews of Israeli and Korean music --Writings on the work of John Cage and Dale Lloyd --Contributions by Jacob Green and Josh Russell A $15 value, available to you, now, for Free! http://home.grandecom.net/~jronsen/mmpp11/ Thanks! Did the issue on Dick Higgins take a back seat? R~~ --- Now playing: Ben Patterson - Tells Fluxus Stories (From 1962 To 2002) http://stasick.org
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: new issue of Monk Mink Pink Punk
On 2006 Jun 09, at 3:45 PM, josh ronsen wrote: I was planning on interviewing Dick, and had begun to exchange words with him, but because of my mixed heritage, cf above, the interview never happened. Thank Josh, but, apparently, my memory of your plans are better than your own. Just after Dick had died you were planning on doing a tribute issue. I sent you an artwork for that issue. Nothing happened. Just curious. R~~ --- Now playing: Akchoté/Auzet/Ferrari - Sur Le Rythme RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: FLUXUS PODCAST
On 2006 May 25, at 7:45 AM, Walter Cianciusi wrote: Still accepting submissions... Great! Have you uploaded JOB_APP yet? R~~ --- Now playing: Hermann Nitsch - 25/3
Re: FLUXLIST: mesostic/acrostic/exhaustic etc. - is there a mesoway?
On 2006 May 21, at 10:59 AM, Allan Revich wrote: So the issue is, what becomes of the "0% mesostic"? It is not an acrostic. It is not 50% mesostic, nor is it a 100% mesostic. I remain wont to call it a mesostic as that term seems well-suited to describe an acrostic poem with the phrase down the middle. In the article by Marjorie Perloff referenced below, Cage is quoted as saying that he thought that he was writing acrostics until he was corrected - interestingly his first acrostics were what he later called 50% mesostics - which continues to leave the name of the basic meso-acrostic in limbo. Rather than continue with polemics, I'd rather engage in constructive dialogue. Is there a term that can be used and be broadly (i.e. not just among fluxlisters) applied to describe and include all meso-acrostic forms? Netland is rife with all three "mesostic" forms.Well, initially, these kinds of texts were all referred to as acrostics in their "raw"form - before a general process was introduced in order to make separate the middle formations (mesostic) or end formations (telestich) that we're familiar with today.Only then was the name "acrostic" relegated to the leftmost side of text in order to distinguish itfrom the others.I think that there's a general process where a new art/text form is invented and then a name iscreated afterwards. If the form is successful or,simply, becomes well-known (for good or bad), then the name lives. So, after a very long time of referring to specific letters embedded in a text in very specific places as acrostics, then Cage comes up with not just a simple pattern downthe middle, but, rather, a creative text idea that finds it's pattern and name later.As a matter of fact, he was unhappy with his first creation because even tho it followed his new "rules" and emphasized certain letters over others thru capitalization, it was originally written horizontally and looked too square and boxy to him. So when he changed it to a vertical formand showed it to his friend Norman O. Brown, Norman said that he should call it a "mesostic"since the capitals went down the middle.So, if you're doing something that you really think sets it apart from something closely linked,then you find a way of distinguishing it. Whether it's a mesostic, telestich, diastic, lipogram, beautiful outlaw, beautiful in-law(...), they are all derivations of the acrostic - you could call them "hyper-acrostics" if you like. AND if you actually add "acrostic" to the above list, you'll discover that even these can be considered a derivative of the text form known as "inclusion." The act of giving an appellation is simply a way of making a distinctionand if your special name takes hold, it could be because either you've madea useful or playful or ___ enough distinction for it to be rememberedor you're well-known and you have a good agent - hahahahaha!I don't think John *ever* did anything "willy-nilly." There was usually some kind of creative method behind his reasons for doing a lot of what he's known for. If John had a bucket, it would've definitely had handles on it.To answer your question - hahahahaha - I think it's still an acrosticuntil there's a distinguishing difference.Rod
Re: FLUXLIST: mesostic/acrostic/exhaustic etc. - is there a mesoway?
On 2006 May 21, at 1:55 PM, Allan Revich wrote: The more I learn, the less I seem to know! Rod, what do you think?Hahahahaha! Well, yes, I think I may have answered this in my last post.Allan, I think that if you can come up with a unique way of constructing your poemsusing acrostics, then you can call them whatever you wish. Madawg, for example has called herpoems "exhaustics" - which is a clever name - but I don't see anything that particularly sets them apart from acrostics. Maybe if they were somehow constructed in such a way that the outcome would be a steady reduction of her first line idea to an "exhausted" state - a kind of rhopallic verse or syllabic snowball, then it would fit the name more closely.I know that all of this naming *seems* to be a bit anti-Fluxus,but Fluxus was filled with all kinds of ideas that, in order to set them apart,needed names and those names could easily be associated with an activitythat may have set it apart from other member's activities.Rod
Re: FLUXLIST: mesostic/acrostic/exhaustic etc. - is there a mesoway?
Sorry, I meant to say an anti-rhopalic verse... On 2006 May 22, at 10:29 AM, Rod Stasick wrote: ...would be a steady reduction of her first line idea to an exhausted state - a kind of rhopallic verse or syllabic snowball, then it would fit the name more closely. Rod
Re: FLUXLIST: mesostic/acrostic/exhaustic etc. - is there a mesoway?
On 2006 May 22, at 10:47 AM, Allan Revich wrote: Thanks Rod for such a thoughtful answer. I confess to remaining unconvinced that only Cage's mesostic forms can rightfully be called "mesostic", but I am certainly much better informed than I was a week ago! It is interesting to contemplate how the term will be used some decades from now. I suppose though, that as interesting as that idea may be to you or me, most of the world's English speakers will never even think about it. I hope at least that John Cage himself will be recognized for his genius and influence by then. Probably most of the world's English (or otherwise) speakers will never think about itbecause, like many creative endeavors, it's not seen as being a "practical" matter. There's usuallyno "reason" to have capitalized letters down the middle of anything and so it will probably stay in the realm of the creative artist for quite some time. As for Cage: I think it's not really a matter of ownership, but more a recognition of a new form that anyone can use.When it was desired to separate the hokku from renga becauseit was thought that it could exist on it's own, then it was separated, BUT itunderwent a name change in order to keep it distinct and was then called "haiku."In the same way that haiku is 5-7-5 and few people questionit's form by saying that there must be another way of writing haiku,then I think it's safe to accept that the Cage/Brown creation/namingof the mesostic can be readily accepted in this form.Rod
Re: FLUXLIST: mesostic/acrostic/exhaustic etc. - is there a mesoway?
On 2006 May 22, at 10:48 AM, Cecil Touchon wrote: That would be a rhopalic verse (only one 'l') Thanks Cecil. I caught that when it showed up later. I really meant anti-rhopalic (and anti-snowball as well, I suppose). Rod
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxlist HTML
On 2006 May 22, at 6:50 AM, Alan Bowman wrote: Rod, the list doesn't actually frown on HTML as such, it's just that often it can show up as a confusing mess on some systems and, more importantly - the use of HTML allows for and seems to encouraged the embedding of images and the like into e-mail messages. When such e-mails are processed by the majordomo software it doesn't see a nice photo of animated gif etc. It sees the code, and lots of it. Fluxlist has an email character limit of something like 4000. an ascii file easily surpasses that limit and simply gets bounced. I used to check all the bounced mail but it just got too time consuming. I certainly don't object to HTML -in some cases. like cecil's piece it makes sense to use it - but there's always the risk of the email being bounced. anyway I hope this cleared up the reasons for the no HTML requests. cheers, on behalf of DAD Thanks Dad! I just remember the old days of guys like Ken, for example, complaining about other's use of HTML. I think in those days the complaints were probably justified because our Digest-subscribing Listpatrons used to have to wade thru a whole mess of indecipherable gobbledygook (more so than usual) to get to the actual Brecht vs The Samurai scruff that we enjoy posting here. OK, so a leeetle bit is OK. ®ø∂
Re: FLUXLIST: Exhaustic Rod's way
On 2006 May 22, at 4:29 PM, Madawg Painterofdark wrote: altar Fireplace Madawg staRes SpidErman rEaches out the bellowS are there fIre Air its a little hard doing it that way and I didnt do a very good job.I just like to write poetry and I don't like to think about the form too much. I often say something is a sonnet when it probably isn't. I like exhaustic too much to give it up now! Dawg Oh, no! Not *my* way! Exhaustic is a great name! Just make it *your* way! Rod
Re: FLUXLIST: 100% Seriously Edgy
On 2006 May 20, at 9:36 PM, Cecil Touchon wrote: around the city a brutiSh cop past antiquEs up-and-comeR generally fIts having my camera cOnfiscated I arrived inside which lay the groUndwork for the next wave not So far away, a giant once we crawLed out from under the countrY as a whole was outraged at the sham to take somE risks useD in non-musical ways an electric Guitar edgY is all about cutting, perhaps bleeding edgeCecil,I like how it looks. I wanted to use a bold spine too,but I thought that this list frowned on HTML.There are a some spots tho that don't fit the mesostic.Between the "S" and "E" there should be neither (you have an "S" in "past") " "E" and "R" ...you have an "E" in "up-and-comer" " "R" and "I" ...you have an "R" in "generally" " "I" and "O" ...you have an "I" in "having" " "O" and "U" ...you have an "O" in "groundwork" " "Y" and "E" ...you have an "E" in "whole" and "outraged" and "the" and "take" " "E" and "D" ...you have an "E" in "used" " "G" and "Y" ...you have a "G" in "edgy " "Y" and the beginning "S" ...you have a "S" in "is" and "perhaps"It's really a lot easier to master the 50% version first,because with that version you're only looking for one repeated letter between the two. After that version becomes "natural" to you,then you can step up to the 100% version where you're looking for both letters.Rod
Re: FLUXLIST: 100% slapstick attraction
On 2006 May 21, at 12:11 PM, Cecil Touchon wrote: Oh! Ok, I get it! I was thinking in terms of 'in between' lines not letters. I get it. I'll try another... slapstick attraction Searching for your perfectLy opposing hysteriA, become more Pronounced with time Sparking a good discussion, from Theme park premIere of the sulfurous sCent of blasphemy memorabilia fill the parK of physicAl comedy long Time since I’ve been slapsTick and musical mayhem foR fun filled smoky lAgoon system for the Couple “speaking” polish most heavily markeTed challengIng martial arts can be cOnsidered autheNtic oom-pah Good, until you get near the end.Can you find the two instances?R~~
Re: FLUXLIST: Mesostics: repressive guidance
Sure, no prob. These thing are sometimes easier to present in person. Remember these are the two kinds: • 50 percent mesostics: between any two mesoletters, you can't have the second and • 100 percent mesostics: between any two mesoletters, you can't have either. Let's use The Gettysburg Address as the source text and LINCOLN as the spine: Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us--that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion-- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth. OK, so we start from the beginning of the text and look for a word that has an L (our first mesoletter) but no I because the next instance of an I will be the next mesoletter. We find the word aLl - notice that we can't use liberty because an i follows in the same word. OK, so we start our mesostic with aLl ...now, continuing in the text, we find the next word that has an I, remembering that our following letter N will be in the next line...and so on... As for the wing words, you can have as many as you want as long as they don't break the rules. Wing words on the right of your spine can't have the FOLLOWING mesoletter included anywhere in it's phrase and wing words on the left of the spine cannot have the PREVIOUS mesoletter included anywhere in it's phrase. So, let's do LINCOLN just once and only use one word for each line (no wing words - we can add those later), we get (if I can line the letters up - MUCH easier on paper!): aLl cIvil testiNg dediCated lOng battLefield portioN By the way, when you come to the last letter in your spine, you act as if you are going to start your spine word over. In other words, for LINCOLN when you come to the last letter - N - you are searching for a word that has an N, that is not followed by a L (your first letter in LINCOLN). OK, so let's add some wing words. There are some exceptions in a few of his works, but, generally, John made no rules about length of the wing words. You can have none...or you can have lots...as long as it doesn't break the mesostic rule that we've been speaking of - repeated letters before the mesoletters. Wing words can be added to make a particular point or create your own special slant on what is or can be said. Punctuation can be implied by it's absence. For example: aLl men are created cIvil testiNg whether that nation so dediCated can lOng endure a great battLefield a portioN of that fieLd [and so on...] This is an example of choosing wing words that allows you to convey, let's say, a patriotic meaning, but, in another instance, you may be able to add just enough wing words to give some *other* implied meaning to the text. and so it goes... Rod --- Now playing: Clarence Wheeler The Enforcers - Right On
Re: FLUXLIST: Mesostics: repressive guidance
On 2006 May 20, at 2:22 AM, Cecil Touchon wrote: You say it 'implies the context of the original without including all of the words. So are you saying that you would leave out anywords from a found phrase that has the offending letter and otherwise keep the other words? No, you have to stop before you get to a word that has the following mesoletter. The choice of how many wing words is just that - choice and this has been a bugaboo to some folks who'd always thought that Cage made NO choices, but he actually made quite a few choices in his compositions. For me, I think the ideal number of wing words is the minimum number that would convey a thought. If Madawg, for example, decided to write a mesostic with just single words, then there would be nothing anti- mesostic about it. A criteria *could* be that if you could successfully convey what you wanted using the minimum number of words - even NO wing words - then maybe this could be considered a well-done mesostic but, there are really no rules concerning this (except for the main rule). I'm more inclined to enjoy the beauty of how it actually looks on paper with the wing words as well as it's brief expression. There are some other beautiful forms that do this quite well too - the haiku, the autoku, etc... Here's a 100% mesostic on The Gettysburg Address using LINCOLN (no L *OR* I between L and I): equaL so conceIved aNd dediCated lOng fieLd fittiNg we shouLd do thIs larger seNse dediCate hallOw this struggLed coNsecrated worLd wIll Note it Can fOrget Last devotioN highLy dIed Nation Rod --- Now playing: Greg Davis/Steven Hess - 042203(05)
Re: FLUXLIST: Mesostics: repressive guidance
On 2006 May 20, at 3:12 AM, Cecil Touchon wrote: I also like including a few words of my own [in the brackets] that, for me, gives a little extra touch of direction like adding shading to a form to force it to go behind or in front of something else or inclide it to flow in this or that direction. I like ambiguity but not total confusion or having things so criptic that others won't want to spend their time to figure it out. A certain amount of accessability, I think, is a good thing. I like Cage a lot but his way of working and the resultant works do not always satisfy me. I believe a work of art should inspire one to cherish it. Yes, this is what can make your text pieces *your* text pieces - using whatever methods or rules that you've chosen to give them your own shading - so to speak. I stand on nearly the opposite pole to you Cecil when it comes to John's works. The joy I find in them is precisely from the point that they don't follow the marching feet of syntax. Each letter, syllable, word, and/ or phrase gives breathing room that exists outside the ego and allows my brain to construct sense (or nonsense, if I choose) out of the flow of text. I can look at the previous 100% mesostic of Lincoln's G. A. (or any of John's work) and read it differently each time by placing pauses in ever changing places - with each pause contributing to a different meaning or feeling. For me, it's like looking at a canvas from various angles. I get that feeling with books like Finnegans Wake and the mesostics derived from it too. Same with soft cinema. I think it's great that you can use the mesostic form as a springboard for creating your own brand of poetry. This seems to be one of the creative artist's gift - to be able to use lateral thinking and/or extrapolation to further their creative work. keep us up-to-date, Rod --- Now playing: Sun Ra Arkestra - World Worlds
Re: FLUXLIST: Mesostics Haiku
On 2006 May 20, at 11:04 AM, Allan Revich wrote: It is wonDerful I must acCept your Haiku Let's botH move on now ;-) Yes, of course! What does IDICHLH refer to? Rod
Re: FLUXLIST: mesostic
On 2006 May 19, at 8:43 AM, Allan Revich wrote:n his early mesostics, Cage would simply write a word (usually a name) vertically down the page, with all the letters capitalized. Then, he would "fill in the blanks" and come up with a poem using the "spine" he had chosen. For Example (by the author): the bEautifuloXen areroAmingaMong usopPortunity isbeLaboringthEmI don't know where this example came from,but it is NOT a mesostic. Neither is Dawgsunfortunately. Neither one follow the rule of mesosticsset forth by Cage.Rod---Now playing: psi - The ___ who had begun his career as a useful ___ of the ___ court later became the ___ of ___ and the ___ of ___.Rotokas and Mura-Piraha have only 11 phonemes, the smallest on record.
Re: FLUXLIST: mesostic
On 2006 May 19, at 11:06 AM, mIEKAL aND wrote: I remember going thru this before but I forget what the rules for mesostics (as set forth by Cage) are...? The two basic types of mesostics are: • 50 percent mesostics: between any two mesoletters, you can't have the second and • 100 percent mesostics: between any two mesoletters, you can't have either. Rod --- Now playing: http://www.denness.net/rpis/u/rostasi/fs/10/s/10/b/1/ font/georgia/tz/GMT/tza/-1/width/865/h/treated%20transmissions%20from% 20the%20terrestrial%20tailor/ha/centre/url/0/bc/AA/bg2/CC/tc/ 009900/nc/CC/tic/99/rpi.png
Re: FLUXLIST: exhaustics
On 2006 May 19, at 11:34 AM, Madawg Painterofdark wrote: Cage actually used full phrases rather than just words- I'll call mine exhaustics-Dawg Sometimes, yes, sometimes no. Mesostics can and have been done with single words only and with wing words - it's just that they should actually *be* mesostics and not just random words placed in a column. A common misconception - as are many things about his ways of working ;-) R~~ --- Now playing: Faust - Party 8 RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: Mesostics
"I have found a variety of ways of writing mesostic[s.]" -- CageYes, and I have at least 9 ways myself,and after one uses these methods to extract the text,it is then arranged in a mesostic form - 2 kinds only - (which was given a specific definition by it's creator)."...if you are new to Cage's work, I hope it will inspire you to learn more. if you are a Cage expert who's mission is to criticize, I suggest you take this opportunity to do something better..."Oh, so we're all expected to follow this guy's examples even if they don't fit with what Cage stated?John spent his whole lifetime defending himself from people who got his ideas wrong - people who'd decided to twist stories and methods to fit their preconceptions. Sorry, but it's nearly always made bad performance or just plain incorrect understandingfor the sake of exploitation. John was in favor of acceptance, but not ignorant acceptance.Yes, I see your - and other's - definitions. I'll stick with the one frequently...VERY frequently - explained by Cage himself - exhaustingly so. By the way:George Maciunas was not born in Lithuania.Not many people know who he was. after all...this is Fluxlist!Mr hyper-technical who's not ready to join the "Sloppy Thinkers Club"---Now playing: First Move Ensemble - Gummed Tape Sample
Re: FLUXLIST: Mesostics
Also, there's this line at the link that you sent:"...They must, however, obey the non-repeating letter rule..."R~~---Now playing: Hermann Nitsch - Harmoniumwerk Vol. 11
Re: FLUXLIST: Mesostics: repressive guidance
Hi Cecil, The first word Reparation can't be used because it already contains your next letter E (rEparation). You can't have any words that already have the following meso letter. I don't know what your original text was, so I can't do what you wanted to do, BUT I can create a mesostic based on repressive guidance and the text that you just gave us. Actually, it'll be unfinished because I don't have enough of your text. First you look for a word that has an R but DOESN'T have the following E: ouR next (in order) you find a word that has an E, but not followed by a P: govErnment then, a P not followed by an R: inausPicious etc...BUT, any wing words (words outside the word that has the mesoletter) can't have the following letter either, so this is part of it's genius - it 'implies the context of the original without including all of the words. ouR govErnment inausPicious to libeRty Engage in counterproductive, immoral baSed fundamentalS In contra-distinction to tyranny. I had to stop there, because even tho there are about 5 more words with the letter V in them, each one of them is followed by the letter E and therefore cannot be used. This is an example of a 50% mesostic. The 100% mesostic limits your word choices even more. Also, being true to it's nature, no words are normally given written changed tenses. The found tenses are kept. It has the distinct advantage of keeping (or giving) the text life - an ever changing perspective that brings new ideas and doesn't necessarily adhere to the old ones. Hope this helps! Rod On 2006 May 19, at 3:23 PM, Cecil Touchon wrote: hey rod, does this work? I took a found phrase from some spam mail (repressive guidance) then I used it as a search term in google then I took one phrase from each resultant web page in the order that they were returned as results finding a phrase that I liked and that contained the spinal letter for that line. [bracketted] elements were added to bind things together when needed. cecil Reparation shall be made [for] those who experienced our govErnment’s abuses of dissenters any form of government inausPicious to liberty, engage[d] in counteRrproductive, immoral pre-emptive war will make their decisions basEd on the four fundamentals. In contra- diStinction to tyranny their bizarre, oppressive tacticS with their own citizens is cause for consIderable concern used to castigate us as a political moVement revealing secrets concErning the security of the state. The liGht of operational experience constrained what they coUld ask entirely in an Indigenous language. Their ahistorical, fear-riDden, repressive approach [attracted] outsiders and reactionAries [who] urgently [a] call for unity calling attentioN to abuses at the highest levels poliCy reform groups all over the world declare never accede to state or cultural policiEs. Rotokas and Mura-Piraha have only 11 phonemes, the smallest on record. --- Now playing: Roger Reynolds - A Portrait Of Vanzetti (1962–63)
Re: FLUXLIST: Mesostics
On 2006 May 19, at 3:46 PM, Allan Revich wrote: The point that I am trying to make is not that I am right or that you (or anybody else) is wrong. The point is that the beauty in Fluxus is that it thrives on diversity and difference rather than on dogma and rigidity. I think that Cage was a genius and that his methods, means, and maybe madness were all beautiful. Getting hung up on pointless minutiae is a waste of time and energy. I have no problem with the way that anybody here decides to write. We can all be as totally goofball as possible...and we can give any kind of name that we want to our writings. BUT it is not pointless minutiae to point out that a form of writing is NOT what it claims to be. If we decide to go in that direction, then I'm going to call this text that you're reading a haiku - OK, so let's call it that - after all, this is Fluxlist and we're just a bunch of CrAzIeS influenced by Fluxus and we're all not hyper-technical here. If people want to put a bunch of words on a page and capitalize any letters to spell out some word they want, then call it something else - you know...uh,Fluxmiddles or...textmiddles or...whatever...but they are NOT mesostics. Why does this matter? Because, by incorrectly calling something a mesostic, you're advancing the lazy-mindedness that so many people possess as well as perpetuating an untruth for no real reason other than convenience. To stop asking questions is death to the soul, death to the imagination, and death to progress - whether personal or social. To answer your question; no, I don’t suggest that you “follow this guy's examples even if they don't fit with what Cage stated”. I suggest that you accept the work of other people as inspired by whomever or whatever they suggest was their inspiration. This guy's statement implies that he's not willing to listen to any criticism - criticism is not welcome. You are asked to do something better. What is this better? To accept that he was influenced by someone else, I can accept this...BUT to incorrectly represent that person when he shows you an incorrect example of THAT person's work is, at best, a misunderstanding and, at worst, a lie. Maybe I'll start a website that says that John Cage said that, in music, anything goes- oh, wait, I think some people have already beaten me to that. Your suggestion that I accept other people's work and their inspiration: I will certainly listen to what they have to say, but if a guy puts up a webpage to tell me that 3 + 2 = 7 and that he'll accept no criticisms (Bill O'Reilly: SHUT UP! SHUT UP, I SAY!) then I most definitely will have something to say about it. What does the place of birth of Maciunas have to do with John Cage or Mesostic poetry anyway? Do you need me to tell you that you are very clever? OK. You are very clever. The sources that I have located to date suggest that he was born in Lithuania, moved from there to Germany, and from Germany to the United States. If you have more accurate information you could probably share it without losing any of your cleverness. My comment was in reference to this statement of yours: 2) Don’t get so hung up on minutiae Rod. This is the Fluxus Fluxlist after all, lighten up. If you feel the need to get hyper- technical than you also need to accept that the word “mesostic” is a neologism in (inconsistent) use by a barely significant percentage of English speakers. As such there is no accepted definition. In other words: Oh well, so what if it's wrong. It's just minutiae. I'm just hyper-technical by pointing out a fact. OK, so let's just say that Maciunas wasn't born in Lithuania. According to your reasoning, and like I said above, we're just Fluxus folks and we shouldn't concern ourselves with such trivialities should we? ...and there's your reasoning that because a barely significant percentage of English speakers are familiar with or actually use something that it's OK to be imprecise because there's no accepted definition is something I just don't buy. The accepted definition is Cage's definition because no matter how many other variations occurred thru the uses of the average unknown artist or the heavyweight variations by well-knowns, he still made it clear throughout his life what the two forms were (the 100% version, he adopted later). The texts done by others were still *variations* - Mac Low's Diastics to give one example. At least Mac Low didn't call them mesostics because he knew that they weren't. end of haiku Rod --- Now playing: Mieko Shiomi - Daniel Spoerri
Re: FLUXLIST: Mesostics
On 2006 May 19, at 4:02 PM, Allan Revich wrote:BTW None of the definitions are “mine” in any shape way or form. I have never written a mesostic and I feel no urgent need to do so. I really liked the mesostic poem presented by Madawg. I hope she writes more of them soon and is still willing to share them with the rest of us.Yes, I hope Madawg writes more poems too and shares them with us. I would love to see her write a mesostic some time.R~~---Now playing: Mieko Shiomi - Shigeko Kubota
Re: FLUXLIST: Mesostics: repressive guidance
Also, I will say too that it's sometimes difficult to line up all of the mesoletters in a straight line, but Cage's directions allowed the text to be written horizontally too: ouR govErnment inausPicious to libeRty Engage in counterproductive, immoral baSed fundamentalS In contra-distinction to tyranny. On 2006 May 19, at 4:36 PM, Rod Stasick wrote: ouR govErnment inausPicious to libeRty Engage in counterproductive, immoral baSed fundamentalS In contra-distinction to tyranny. Rod --- Now playing: Mieko Shiomi - Marian Zazeela
FLUXLIST: The Grapes Of Wrath mesostic
The Grapes Of Wrath (lazyminded Fluxus mesostic version): toThwah - thwaah! Ho, ho, ho Eeew! Gonggawrong-wrong! quRapp o-Ah chew! Peeonyou i say expE ali do! ßuss sssSnickey snake hobO do you mountain dew? afFable slime shield go Wring yer hands my friends abRoad we go to mount vesuvius aaaA, yes, i can feel it now - the rumblefish are a tumblin' abaTtoir hhhHendrix hhhas ssstutter. ®ø∂ --- Now playing: Marcel Duchamp - La Marié mise à nu par ses célibataries même. Erratum Musical (ensemble version)
Re: FLUXLIST: mesostic
On 2006 May 18, at 8:55 PM, Madawg Painterofdark wrote: Just fOr tAble faiNt tEar oF lEaps folLow Drink cHide fUn Ruby Year almost R --- Now playing: Ben Patterson - 370 Flies RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: Four Scrutinized Reductions Become A Nothing
On 2006 May 16, at 12:10 AM, David-Baptiste Chirot wrote: Many thanks for this! Sure! It was nothing. ØØØ --- Now playing: Robert Ashley - The Fourth Of July RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: This song is in my brain...
On 2006 May 15, at 9:14 AM, Allan Revich wrote: Mitakorak silikti! hahahaha! MY spelling of it is: madakoowahsoweechy! I've been told that the longer vocal in the middle is a guy singing about what is happening in real time. R~~ --- Now playing: Steve Lacy/Kent Carter - Ducks RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
FLUXLIST: Four Scrutinized Reductions Become A Nothing
...my German name 'Heinrich' was translated into 'Henri' just after my arrival in Paris. I had to resign myself to it and, finally, name myself thus in this country, for the word 'Heinrich' did not appeal to the French ear and the French make everything in the world nice and easy for themselves. They were also incapable of pronouncing the name 'Henri Heine' correctly, and for most people my name is Mr. Enri Enn; many abbreviate this to an 'Enrienne,' and some called me Mr. Un rien. - Heinrich Heine (Werke, 1968)
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V5 #605
On 2006 May 14, at 5:29 PM, Don Boyd wrote: Very nice. -Don Boyd Thanks! I think we can all take credit for that! Rod --- Now playing: Anthony Coleman/Marco Cappelli/Andrea Centazzo - Back to the Future #2 RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
FLUXLIST: O
I think nothing is the Big O! -o- --- Now playing: Sextet (Polly Bradfield/Eugene Chadbourne/Tom Cora/ Toshinori Kondo/John Zorn/Andrea Centazzo) - NY Duo #1 RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
FLUXLIST: This song is in my brain...
...and I can't get it out! http://www.metacafe.com/watch/105030/domino_effect/ Rod --- Now playing: Raymond Scott - In The Beginning RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: Pente
On 2006 May 09, at 2:48 PM, bibiana padilla maltos wrote: Has anyone played pente? pente of times! R~~ --- Now playing: 801 - You Really Got Me RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: Pente
On 2006 May 09, at 4:53 PM, bibiana padilla maltos wrote: www.pente.net would you like to play pente of times? my log in name is Bibiana hahaha this game is actually really fun, I even have the board game from the 80's!!! Lovely! but TIME is the problem these days. Actually, what I have is a GO board that I've since converted into a creative springboard for other things - choreography, audio, visuals, but this is tempting...hmmm... (gotta GO) --- Now playing: 801 - Third Uncle http://stasick.org
Re: FLUXLIST: you sing it for me
On 2006 May 04, at 10:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: check this out it's quite fun: http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/Src/sing/sing.asp?key=undefined I had considered using this for the JOB_APP comp a few months ago, but have been using it for some other experiments instead. --- Now playing: Instant Composers Pool - My Baby Has Gone to the Schouwburg RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: edition
On 2006 Apr 30, at 1:34 PM, Kamen Nedev wrote: I remember a fascinating moment in Ninotchka in which Greta Garbo (in her role as a Soviet envoy to the West) tells her just-seduced Western counterpart who's about to turn on the radio: No, honey! Let's play music just for ourselves! and pulls out a record. Peculiar moment: from the commons to the private. There's something to say about music for private moments. While others could come up with their ideas of what was just for ourselves it was often too difficult for me to analyze and produce something. The ladies seemed to be able to come up with something that was always to their taste - thankfully so. R~~ --- Now playing: The Fall - Repetition RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: Nothing Maxim
I think we're all solipsists here. ((R)) --- Now playing: Bad Manners - Can Can
Re: FLUXLIST: next breakout artist
On 2006 May 01, at 5:05 PM, Kraig Louis Lamper wrote: i believe that that is andy milonakis... basically he's a 37 year old underdeveloped person or something. he has his own show on MTV where he basically acts like a twelve year old to old people. he has also been in several movies. Reminds me of why I don't have cable TV. ‰ØÎ --- Now playing: The Fall - Gut Of The Quantifier (Peel: June '85) RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: next breakout artist
On 2006 May 01, at 4:48 PM, Kamen Nedev wrote: Ah, I lrve the Fall! Me too! Favorite band! Gonna see them again Thursday night. ®ø∂ --- Now playing: Elvis Costello - Welcome To The Working Week RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
FLUXLIST: next breakout artist
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1180662760907882321 R`` --- Now playing: The Fall - Kurious Oranj (live) RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: edition
On 2006 Apr 30, at 9:03 AM, Ann Klefstad wrote: Very interesting, yes! It presumes a kind of purposeful inquiring search that I mostly seem not to have. Radio survives, I think, because we like being ambushed by small bits of diverse things to hear. I have boxed sets too and seldom listen to them because somehow I want to hear X occurs to me much less than I want to hear something. Surprise me. More and more I feel that to surrender my own responsibility to choose this or that is what I want. I want the gift of others' choice. Is this some disease of the will, or is it more common than I think? Yup, Ann. I agree! If only the radio ambush was really so diverse tho... I think the boxed set dilemma could be partially solved by taking advantage of our new glorious (I think, anyway) technology of the desktop audio player (iTunes, etc.) and/or portable audio player (iPod, etc). In my front room, I have a 400 disc changer that I haven't used in at least 3 years. It used to be great for dumping the various boxed sets onto, but now they get emptied into boxes the size of a pack o' cigs. Definitely NOT a disease of the will - it's a surrender to the variety of sound and ideas that surround you. You can't help but learn from this. I think the want to hear something attitude sometimes extends to just the sound or, maybe the audio aura that something creates. If I decide to put on something from a 72 disc set of Oum Koulthoum, it's not because I'm listening to a story being told over the span of these discs, but, rather, I'm becoming engulfed in the sound of her great Arabic singing and I think that the meaning takes care of itself - your brain recognizes the intense feelings of desire, jealousy, etc... If we really don't have a central repository of all recorded music readily available to us, then I've long wished for everyone to have their own personal radio station - which is possible now. Even if you only have a dial-up connection of Crispin Webb quality, you can still broadcast - well, actually narrowcast - right from your desktop and other's can tune in if they share your taste in music...'cause there's always people who have things that both the listener AND the 'caster don't have and can share. Whether it's corporate rock or ambient field recordings, it's always out there coming IN. R~~ --- Now playing: Brian Eno - Passing Over http://stasick.org
Re: FLUXLIST: edition
On 2006 May 01, at 8:48 PM, Kathy Forer wrote: The concept isn't quite as personal as yours, -- it's a commercial service customizing a feed to your taste, not an individually produced station, -- and some are lacking in variety and depth, but there are a few pretty darn good custom radio stations out there now. Some even allow you to share your profile with others. http://www.gnoosic.com/ http://www.pandora.com http://music.yahoo.com/launchcast/station.asp http://www.last.fm/ http://www.soundflavor.com/ http://epitonic.com/ http://di.fm/ Yup, some of these are great. There's also odeo.com which is a real goody too! They *would* be more personalized if they didn't have these government restrictions (usually having to do with how many songs by one artist that can be played back to you in a row for instance). I've been with Last FM for about 14 months and there's a great exchange of ideas there. Apart from those, you can really get personal using something like Nicecast: http://www.rogueamoeba.com/nicecast/ With them (and probably others that are PC friendly), anyone can narrowcast from their desktop. If I want to hear ForeRadio, then you send out your narrowcast address and anyone can listen to what you're listening to or sending out. It's how I did the rodcast with the Fluxus/Dada sounds. Democratic radio for all! R~~ --- Now playing: David Bowie - Beauty And The Beast
Re: FLUXLIST: edition
On 2006 Apr 28, at 11:03 PM, Kathy Forer wrote: Ahh, then you need to go to molecular, protein or holographic memory. How about 10 GB per cubic centimeter in a sugar cube? http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~nd/surprise_97/journal/vol1/ary/ Thanks for this. I've been watching the holographic storage for a while, but didn't know about the Protein one - WOW! Sounds like you could use one of Bowie's 'Man Who Fell To Earth' metal spheres. Oh, boy. That brings up early memories! Kinda like a lighted platform that would read a golfball sized sphere? I just wish the whole of recorded music was easily available somewhere. The Biggest Disk Extreme is nice, nuh? Three impressive things: speed, it's small footprint, and, of course, it's storage size. I have to say tho that when you have a smaller HD, you learn to transfer stuff to discs sooner (because you'll soon lose room)...but, of course, with something huge, it's easier to dump a bunch of extra unnecessary things onto it - without discipline - which just becomes another crap buildup area. rod --- Now playing: David Bowie - Teenage Wildlife http://stasick.org
Re: FLUXLIST: edition
On 2006 Apr 29, at 1:53 AM, Kamen Nedev wrote: So maybe, in this sense, an appropriate way to prepare a Fluxbox nowadays would be to turn it into a Fluxdrive... Yup, I'm in for it. Yeah, a Sony Fluxstick. rod --- Now playing: The Fall - New Puritan RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: edition
On 2006 Apr 29, at 2:18 AM, Kamen Nedev wrote: Well, the costs are the costs. Once upon a time, we had these things called public libraries, which were really cool for people who couldn't, you know, buy 20-30 books or records a week. But we kind of forgot about these places. I mean, even our university libraries aren't what they used to be anymore. Yes, of course: COSTS - that's always the bugaboo... ...but I've spent less time in the library too because you no longer have to go there to hear their scratchy old LPs (which have been played to death and ill-cared for - CDs too - for decades). Say you haven't heard White Bird from It's A Beautiful Day for many years. Does you really want to call around to libraries looking for it? In any case, for works of this size (and historical value), it seems obvious that we need more resources like ubuweb. I don't mean free access, necessarily, but just the availability of material. I mean, you download the Dial-a-Poem pieces if you really want to hear them, and, well, if you're really into them, you can go out and try and find an original LP edition, or a CD box set, or whatever. Yup, and we're getting more resources for that kind of thing now. If Ubuweb has the complete Dial-A-Poet series, then I can now dump my whole collection online. There's always someone on eBay, for instance, who'll want the feel and size of the LP artwork and'll be willing to pay a pretty price for it. rod --- Now playing: David Bowie - Ashes To Ashes
FLUXLIST: edition
On 2006 Apr 28, at 4:08 AM, Kamen Nedev wrote: Hmmm, you have a point here. CDs suck. Period. The thing is, I'm not into CDs, I'm into the idea of publication, edition, or whatever you might call it. I don't care if it's a CD or a USB stick or a vinyl record, as long as I get this idea of an edition. In any case, for most of us, ephemeral netcasting and netlabels (or, as in your case, even our own resources) seem to be the most accessible path. well, you know...you go along with the formats in order to conduct the business of music. As they change, so do the needs of distribution channels. BUT when it comes to personal access, I've been increasingly interested in anything that has a deep time-bottom and doesn't have to be compiled in a linear manner. I'm surrounded by box/Bach sets that take the form of gargantuan proportions: 182 CDs of Bach...50 CDs of Merzbow...50 CDs of Klaus Schulze, etc. and just last week I got all squishy and excited when this explicated anthem from Prinzendorf that is the 51 disc Orgien Mysterien Theater (Orgies and Mysteries Theater) of Hermann Nitsch (of Viennese Aktionist fame) shows up with thick books/boots and poster. So I have to ask: why not just send me a small hard drive? The books/scores have a nicer feel than little slip covers around discs, but the sound could've been just as easily sent on a keychain harddrive. So, I think of a single Terrabyte for my work. The idea of making it one long work that uses 40 years of pieces dropped inside at various points. One of the things that I've learned and've appreciated during my studies with Stockhausen over these past few years is this idea of one large work (his Licht - 29 hours long) as a ground by which various smaller solo or group ensemble pieces can be extracted for performance. In my case, it's somewhat the reverse where individual pieces are interlaced into a whole that constantly/consistently grows. Need a solo 29 minute work? OK, let me play the part of the Metzgermeister and just slice some off for you. Would you like that wrapped? R --- Now playing: Paul Wilson - The Fall Cover Artwork: Are You Are Missing Winner
Re: FLUXLIST: edition
On 2006 Apr 28, at 6:41 PM, Kathy Forer wrote: On Apr 28, 2006, at 7:04 PM, Rod Stasick wrote: Need a solo 29 minute work? OK, let me play the part of the Metzgermeister and just slice some off for you. Would you like that wrapped? How about 3/4 of a terabyte? http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=16748 No, I want to move UP from 1 TB. Something like this: http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10351 There's bigger too - 2.5TB but you get into large RAID arrays. R~~ --- Now playing: Paul Wilson - The Fall Cover Artwork: Interim
Re: FLUXLIST: edition
On 2006 Apr 28, at 6:23 PM, Kraig Louis Lamper wrote: i'm not gonna lie... i've almost purchased the Merzbox about 7 times and each time i manage to resist the temptation somehow. lately i've been wanting to buy An Anthology from LaMonte Young and the MELA foundation except it costs so damn much for a poor college student to purchase. Well, all of those boxsets give me all kinds of enjoyment from differing perspectives. The Nitsch, I've only heard the equivalent of about 8 CDs, but I already knew what I was in for when I got it. Hard drives anyone? R~~ --- Now playing: Mohammed “Jimmy” Mohammed - Sethed Seketelat
Re: FLUXLIST: rodcast
On 2006 Apr 26, at 3:54 AM, Kamen Nedev wrote: And I'm checking out someone with the surname Hodell (or something). Powerful!!! () BTW, Rod, how can I get hold of stuff you've done. What I have so far (after extensive googling) is the following: - JotoahSRI17 (from Fluxuations) - Family Owl (?) - Lotus ProAlien (from JoB_APP) - Fiercely Destined Carbons (from the Fluxus Anthology) - Fourth Degree Sawagashii Have you put out any other stuff, erm, out there (records, CDs, compilations, etc.)? Ooooh, I don't think anyone else has ever googled me before - extensively that is. I feel all pingy inside! Thanks for the interest. Yup, it's all out there - kinda like looking at the inside wall of a horse stall: bremsstrahlung recordings, phonography.org, Steinklang Industries et al. Oh! and there's an installation in the Canadian Rockies! - ha! - well, not sure if it's still going... Never been in much of a hurry when it comes to compiling my work, 'cause I'm usually sending it out without thoughts of archiving it. Some have been in the form of single copies sent without any form of backup at all. It's pretty much ephemeral anyway. As each release has come out over the years, I've slowly become disheartened by the quality-control of other labels, so I began thinking of compiling works for self-release. But as time goes by, disc media is becoming less attractive to me, so I've taken some baby steps at a website with hopes of media bits attached. But by the time I get to that, something else will come along - maybe some weird form of telepathy. Need to find another company that'll provide more than 50 MB of disk space and 6 GB of transfer for a decent price. So, maybe after traveling this summer, I'll hook up with someone like Go-Daddy and start compiling media on my website thru them. Still: not in a hurry (as you can tell...) OK, it seems that the track listings are refreshing now, so you can get some idea what's playing or has been played: http://imagegen.last.fm/04210/recenttracks/rostasi.gif best to all, R~~ --- Now playing: George Brecht/Ben Patterson - Drip Music RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: rodcast
On 2006 Apr 26, at 10:20 AM, Björn Eriksson wrote: Ok, nice! Thanks for info. There is not so much to be read about Franz Mon on the Internet... Guess I have to catch up some good book about this subject. Any suggestions? Well, there doesn't seem to be much in English. It's kind of like finding info on the Oulipo - geographical narrowness arises, but you can try this short biographical note from the Ubu site: http://www.ubu.com/sound/mon.html and a German language wikipedia entry is here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Mon Rod --- Now playing: Ben Patterson - Tells Fluxus Stories (From 1962 To 2002)
Re: FLUXLIST: rodquests
On 2006 Apr 26, at 11:01 AM, Björn Eriksson wrote:Do you take play rodquests? If so, play something with Jaap Blonk who is a very good text oriented artist. He is a really genuine and skilled voice/text artist.Ha! Yes, if I can find stuff.Have hours of Blonk, but maybewe should do this off-list?Rod---Now playing: Mieko Shiomi - Ken Friedman
Re: FLUXLIST: rodcast
On 2006 Apr 26, at 11:59 AM, Björn Eriksson wrote: Thanks for UBU link. I had forgot Teddy Hultbergs book Sound Art. He has a very great knowledge of the text-sound-poetry scene. It is possible to buy from the swedish copyright organization STIM. 200 swedish crowns, I think that makes about 30 $. Here is a link to the book: http://www.stim.se/avd/mic/prod/micbok.nsf/LookupDocId/ D7AF3CB6C7074C07C1256AD10043AECB?OpenDocument and another link to Sound Poetry: http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco6/SoundPoetry/soundpoetry.html Thanks Björn. I was on pre-order for this book - couldn't wait to get it and was not disappointed when it arrived! Loco's a good friend. We talk nearly every day. Rod --- Now playing: Albert Lepage - Clément Pansaers, au Diable au corps (rue aux choux)
FLUXLIST: 405 the movie
great little short: http://www.405themovie.com/Home.asp Road --- Now playing: Ingvar Loco Nordin - Kürten 2002: Not Tragic: Fun! RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: [inviolable modulate]
I like the idea of phlebitis timing diuretic bang toffy R~~ --- Now playing: John M. Bennett - reading from Glue
FLUXLIST: little audio chicklets
Thanks again for all the kind words (and requests)! *This* particular edition of the rodcast will be winding down over the next 12 hours to be replaced by something else entirely. Ample amounts of Dada and Fluxus to inspire all kinds of mayhem and chocolate disarmaments were presented. Hope you enjoyed! ®ø∂ --- Now playing: http://imagegen.last.fm/04210/recenttracks/rostasi.gif RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
FLUXLIST: rodcast
If anyone is interested in listening, I'm currently rodcasting a playlist of some text-sound based pieces - most are from Swedish composers who are the masters of this kind of thing, but some other pieces being streamed involve some Dada and Fluxus (inspired) works. The link is below. happy listening! Rod RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
FLUXLIST: rodcast
Also, if your audio player can't or doesn't supply artist/track info, you can go to the following link. It refreshes about every 5 minutes or so. (You may have to manually refresh the page each time): http://imagegen.last.fm/04210/recenttracks/rostasi.gif Rod --- Now playing: Brion Gysin - Pistol Poem, 1960 RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: rodcast
On 2006 Apr 25, at 2:11 PM, Björn Eriksson wrote: Thank you for Rodcasting, Rod! This is super! Now I am listening to Franz Mon - Blaiberg funeral. Have missed him before by some reason... Aaah, I see you played a french version of General Bussig (General Bonhomme) by Åke Hodell. Sad to say I missed this - was away eating dinner. Hodell is one of my favourite swedish text-sound artists. Btw, have you heard Spirit of Ecstacy - the car opera? Yes, Bjorn! (I take requests too - hahahahaha!) R~ --- Now playing: Åke Hodell - The Djurgården Ferry Across the Styx RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: rodcast
On 2006 Apr 25, at 2:11 PM, Björn Eriksson wrote: Thank you for Rodcasting, Rod! This is super! Now I am listening to Franz Mon - Blaiberg funeral. Have missed him before by some reason... Aaah, I see you played a french version of General Bussig (General Bonhomme) by Åke Hodell. Sad to say I missed this - was away eating dinner. Hodell is one of my favourite swedish text-sound artists. Btw, have you heard Spirit of Ecstacy - the car opera? BTW Thanks for the feedback! Rod --- Now playing: Åke Hodell - The Djurgården Ferry Across the Styx
Re: FLUXLIST: rodcast
On 2006 Apr 25, at 2:11 PM, Björn Eriksson wrote: Thank you for Rodcasting, Rod! This is super! Now I am listening to Franz Mon - Blaiberg funeral. Have missed him before by some reason... Aaah, I see you played a french version of General Bussig (General Bonhomme) by Åke Hodell. Sad to say I missed this - was away eating dinner. Hodell is one of my favourite swedish text-sound artists. Btw, have you heard Spirit of Ecstacy - the car opera? Björn! I'd highly recommend that you get the superb 3 CD collection called Verbal Brainwash. It's a fine collection of Hodell's work! Thanks Again! Rod --- Now playing: Åke Hodell - General Bonhomme (French version of General Bussig recorded live in Paris)
Re: FLUXLIST: rodcast
On 2006 Apr 25, at 2:47 PM, Allan Revich wrote: Now playing at http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u Loco Radio Thoroughly enjoyable! Thank you Rod. Thanks Allan! I've added some works from JOB_APP and some from our podcasts too. R~~ --- Now playing: Ben Patterson - 370 Flies
Re: FLUXLIST: rodcast
On 2006 Apr 25, at 3:30 PM, Björn Eriksson wrote: Thanks for this recommendation! Yeah - I heard The ferry... it is a very nice piece!... I also heard in the Franz Mon piece some swedish sentences here and there. Had he some connection to Sweden? I guess I'd just could go google on this - but I guess there is knowledge here on the list about this. Well, the four voices were provided by 4 Swedish vocalists and the piece was realized at EMS in Stockholm. The folks at Fylkingen recorded all kinds of folks from the world over too. R~~ --- Now playing: Palle Dahlstedt - Gummi
Re: FLUXLIST: rodcast
On 2006 Apr 25, at 9:37 PM, A Chair wrote:Thanks very much for the Rodcast. It is loads of fun.You're welcome! I figured that Fluxlist has been beaming into poetry/text-sound lately, so why not feature the same.I set up a playlist of just over 36 hours of stuff. Could've done enough to last a whole week, butdecided to keep it within the ballpark this time.So, this means that you have about another day's worthto tune in to whenever you like. So far: we've heard from many of our Swedish text-soundcomposers who really are masters of this kind of thing - even younger composers in that country have continued this tradition of experimentation in poetics - but also Dada poetics of Tzara, Schwitters, Duchamp, et al., Fluxus performers like Ben Patterson, Paik, Henning Christiansen, Bob Cobbing, et al. andsome of our own contributors to the various CD compsand Podcasts.By the way, the listings address that I posted earlier isnormally good for updates on what's playing,but the submissions server is down, so the listings won't be updated until sometime tomorrow when they fix it.Anyway, I think most - if not all - folks have been able to see what tracks they're hearing while listening.Again, thanks to those who've written with kind words!R~~---Now playing: Mieko Shiomi - Dieter RothRANDOM RODIO:(often) rodcasting at:http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u"you won't like all of it"
Re: FLUXLIST: FW: Dada
Yes, excellent show! I have pix and little tiny vids of the ...Mechanique performance that need to go up somewhere... Rod --- Now playing: Fela Kuti - Yese RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: Book 2 - #100 - 9/24/2004 11:07 AM
Returning to Cecil...The physical dependance drives me cRaZy - mostly with music - my mind telling me that there's more than enuf sound on the web and the non-physical elsewhere to keep my fascinations ringing for the eternities after the honeymoon, but as stuff goes out the back door in almost trapezoid strictness, the squall-fed label profiteers paratroop onto my front lawn and queue up at the front, BUT, it soon becomes "0"s and "1"s - same with words, documents, and bits of detritus found in the garden (like this old "Pop Rocks" wrapper - both sides):http://stasick.org/presubstitution%20pentacoccous%20wartflower.tif http://stasick.org/you%20always%20end%20ere%20you%20begin.tifThey become jumping off points for higher elements of creative work,but not necessarily in physical form.So, the question really becomes: To you, how important is the physicality of artwork - that you need to have it around you? It seems to me that these large scale works can't really be turned into "0"s and "1"s (except thru documentation, I suppose). Do those of you who create physical artworks on a larger scale(canvas, sculpture) have the problem of having too much creat(ed/ive) work. around the studio? Yes, of course, you want to sell stuff, but what of the stuff that you can't sell? Is there a "past-it's-sell-by-date" at some time where it's documented then discarded?Rod---Now playing: Agitation Free - Sahara CityOn 1427 Rabiʻ I 18, at 8:37 AM, Cecil Touchon wrote: Book 2 - #100 - 9/24/2004 11:07 AM An Intelligence so Intriguing Everyone Listens So, a few days ago, I came to the conclusion I simply have too much stuff and need to rid myself of it at thoroughly discounted prices. I am consumed with collecting highly difficult to find pieces [of text] Needless to say, I was doing my best [to have a workable set] but I do not know how likely that is. I am simply foolishly excited over the prospect [of providing] you with some entertainment.::Bows:: I realized, a tad too late, I spent almost my entire paycheck on Small [poetic] imperfections which fill me with shame. Another little tidbit that might be amusing… on Tuesday night, shut off the inane chattering of your mind for a moment give it the old college try. [Don't worry if your] not learned in such things. I knew I had forgotten something; a more involving plot I was not even aware of this rule! um, opps. so much for that experiment eh? I have tried several different things nothing has worked of yet. Oh fiddlesticks, does anyone have any advice for poor me?
Re: FLUXLIST: Book 2 - #100 - 9/24/2004 11:07 AM
Sorry...the links don't seem to work.Try these?http://stasick.org/presubstitution-pentacoccou.jpghttp://stasick.org/you-always-end-ere-you-begi.jpgRod---Now playing: Charles Steven Page - SuddenlyRANDOM RODIO:(often) rodcasting at:http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u"you won't like all of it"
Re: FLUXLIST: Book 2 - #100 - 9/24/2004 11:07 AM
On 1427 Rabiʻ I 22, at 12:51 PM, suse wrote:These are nice--as a document lover--I see them as representations of representationsCan you tell me about them or do they present in and of themselves?curiosa and curiosWell, it's just a "Pop Rock" wrapper (http://www.poprockscandy.com/)found deeply buried in a garden that's having to be reconstructed after some recent flooding. If you look at the first pic in the upper left corner, you'll see the "Pop Rock" logo. I thought it was a beautiful patternof age on both sides of the wrapper, so I scanned it for keeps(rather than keeping the thing itself).R~~---Now playing: Los De Abajo - Adios Negrita
Re: FLUXLIST: Book 2 - #100 - 9/24/2004 11:07 AM
On 1427 Rabiʻ I 22, at 3:22 PM, Allan Revich wrote:Yes indeed I do. Every now and then the urge to paint something hits and the studio has yet one more canvas taking up space and depressing me by its presence there. The odd piece that I sell provides some gratification for a moment or two until I remember that it was purchased only to cover a hole in the wall somewhere. I am working hard at sticking to zeros and ones (or to mail art/card-sized art when the urge for physicality becomes overwhelming).I know I have the potential to return to mail artusing all kinds of wonderful/strange/obtuse/etc visuals that I've collected,but I pretty much stopped years ago because of the feeling that I was just cluttering up someone else's space.R~~---Now playing: Michael Mills - Hidden Satanic Messages In Rock Music (Led Zeppelin/Kiss/Beatles/Queen)RANDOM RODIO:(often) rodcasting at:http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u"you won't like all of it"
Re: FLUXLIST: Today, nothing
On 1427 Rabiʻ I 20, at 9:52 AM, Allan Revich wrote:N o t h I n gI got plenty of itand nothin' plenty for me!R~~---Now playing: Henning Christiansen - Abschiedssymphonie Part 2http://stasick.org
Re: FLUXLIST: Today, nothing
On 1427 Rabiʻ I 20, at 11:34 AM, Cecil Touchon wrote: Maybe we should put together a compilation CD called The Nothing Album or Nothin' but Nothing with those songs, cage 4.33, and whatever else. We could throw in Imagine and call the album Imagine Nothing or maybe Nothing to Imagine The first recording that I bought was The Best of Marcel Marceau which consisted of silence (and final applause). R~~ --- Now playing: Magical Power Mako - ÉVÉãÉNÉçÅ[Éh
Re: FLUXLIST: Nothing...
On 1427 Rabiʻ I 20, at 11:59 AM, placekraft/LeisureArts wrote: Maybe you would like this: http://www.emptywebsite.com/ and yes, someone is paying to have that site name and space... :-) R~~ --- Now playing: Francois Defrene - Ouverture Sans Fin, Post-Scriptum Au Tombeau De Pierre Larousse
Re: FLUXLIST: Nothing...
On 1427 Rabiʻ I 20, at 11:59 AM, placekraft/LeisureArts wrote:http://beauty.gmu.edu/AVT483,616/Cooley/files/spacergifart/experience1.htmGive a gift of gif!R~~---Now playing: Red Shadow (The Economics Rock Roll Band) - Understanding MarxRANDOM RODIO:(often) rodcasting at:http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u"you won't like all of it"
Re: FLUXLIST: Today, nothing
On 1427 Rabiʻ I 20, at 12:14 PM, suse wrote: To everyone Thanks for nothing! You're welcome! (and there's more to come!) R~~ --- Now playing: The Fourth Tower of Inverness - Me Hide, You Seek
Re: FLUXLIST: Today, nothing
On 1427 Rabiʻ I 20, at 1:31 PM, Cecil Touchon wrote: oh right I remember that! We could include a track of that album. I wonder if we could get sued for copyright infringement? haha. Don't forget this sordid episode: http://tinyurl.com/pa3sx R~~ --- Now playing: Tom Snyder - The Tomorrow Show (October 11, 1977) RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
FLUXLIST: criterion?
On 1427 Rabiʻ I 19, at 12:16 AM, Cecil Touchon wrote: Rod, Please take some photos of your whole collection for me befor you ebay it and send me the digital images for the ontological museum. I would love to see how it is all organized at your place.Well, I've been eBraying for quite a few years now...it's always been an ongoing process. I'm not sure what it is that you want to see. It's probably easier to just come over. I mean...taking pix of walls of recordings can't be that interesting and only about a quarter of it is actually out in the open anyway. I just created Box #109 and it's been added to the towers of the same in storage. There isn't an easy way to snapshot tens of thousands of these things you know.As for organization...it's NOT - intentionally - because it gives me the chance togo thru things using chance operations.I'm thinking about your dilemma...After I design an Ubu Roi birthday card for my friend Flurin, I'll write again.R~~ ---Now playing: Joseph Beuys/Henning Christiansen - Scottische Symphonie (aus Celtic) (Fluxorum Organum II)RANDOM RODIO:(often) rodcasting at:http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u"you won't like all of it"
Re: FLUXLIST: Book 2 - #100 - 9/24/2004 11:07 AM
Yes, I understand this as text,but also as reality!R~~---Now playing: Either/Orchestra - Amlak abét abétRANDOM RODIO:(often) rodcasting at:http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u"you won't like all of it"
Re: FLUXLIST: Fwd: [oddmusic] One second compilation
Well, I'm kinda new to this new thing called Compact Disc but can you actually make 1 second tracks on a disc. I thought the minimum was 4 seconds. R~~ --- Now playing: Hasidic New Wave - Sim Shalom RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
Re: FLUXLIST: Fwd: [oddmusic] One second compilation
On 1427 Rabiʻ I 18, at 3:10 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:I think the answer is here:"with a track marker every minute"ooops! OK, I see...R~~---Now playing: Nurse With Wound - Salt Marie Celeste
Re: FLUXLIST: desiring books, there is no
On 1427 Rabiʻ I 18, at 5:34 PM, Madawg Painterofdark wrote: are you THE Karen Elliot of Neoist fame? Aren't we all? R~~
Re: FLUXLIST: desiring books, there is no
For the longest time, I've thought that David Manning should be the new Luther Blissett. R~~ --- Now playing: The Fourth Tower of Inverness - Hey, Those Are My Toes RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u you won't like all of it
FLUXLIST: Pippin of chapped commiseration
On 1427 Rabiʻ I 18, at 9:46 AM, Cecil Touchon wrote: I am so relieved by that Rod. Sometimes I feel that I am just beside myself on these issues until I notice I am sitting next to a mirror. Then you *are* beside yourself - which is the image tho?Too much stuff here too,but I'm easing into the world of "1"s and "0"sby conversion. It doesn't matter whether it's audioor physical detritus, it's moving towards that direction.I figure I can add to my income too with offers of claptrapitalism on eBay.Music: someone gets the recording they always wantedwhile I free up space, make some dough, and still have the audio.While the hearing was going a few months ago, I decided to work visuallywith leftovers and their ilk. Quite liberating really!You'll come full circle.R~~---Now playing: Houria Aichi - El HachemiRANDOM RODIO:(often) rodcasting at:http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u"you won't like all of it"
Re: FLUXLIST: sound image relationship
Lots o' crispy Crispin!R~~---Now playing: Brion Gysin - BaboonRANDOM RODIO:(often) rodcasting at:http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u"you won't like all of it"
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus message from mIEKAL aND
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Re: FLUXLIST: No Spam Fibs
On 1427 Rabiʻ I 16, at 5:01 AM, Roger Stevens wrote: I really enjoyed the article. I didn't mean to brand it spam. It's just my server sends Fluxlist stuff to me with the prefix SPAM and when I reply I have to delete it from the subject line - and I obviously forgot. h, I see. Really? so each of the Fluxlist postings come as SPAM? Too bad that you don't have a way to tell (whomever) that you'll accept them. Considering how often you come back to hundreds of emails, it would seem to save a LOT of time for you. R~~ --- Now playing: Avay-e-Doust Ensemble - Sacred Music From Iran http://stasick.org
