Re: [fonc] Block-Strings / Heredocs (Re: Magic Ink and Killing Math)

On 3/12/2012 9:01 PM, David Barbour wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Julian Leviston > wrote: On 13/03/2012, at 1:21 PM, BGB wrote: although theoretically possible, I wouldn't really trust not having the ability to use conventional text editors

Re: [fonc] Block-Strings / Heredocs (Re: Magic Ink and Killing Math)

On 13/03/2012, at 6:19 PM, BGB wrote: > On 3/12/2012 9:01 PM, David Barbour wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Julian Leviston wrote: >> >> On 13/03/2012, at 1:21 PM, BGB wrote: >> >>> although theoretically possible, I wouldn't really trust not having the >>> ability to use c

Re: [fonc] Block-Strings / Heredocs (Re: Magic Ink and Killing Math)

On 2012-03-13 02:13PM, Julian Leviston wrote: >What is "text"? Do you store your "text" in ASCII, EBCDIC, SHIFT-JIS or >UTF-8? If it's UTF-8, how do you use an ASCII editor to edit the UTF-8 >files? > >Just saying' ;-) Hopefully you understand my point. > >You probably won't initially, so hopefull

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

> > > this is possible, but it assumes, essentially, that one doesn't run into > such a limit. > > if one gets to a point where every "fundamental" concept is only ever > expressed once, and everything is built from preceding fundamental concepts, > then this is a limit, short of dropping fundament

Re: [fonc] Block-Strings / Heredocs (Re: Magic Ink and Killing Math)

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Josh Grams wrote: > On 2012-03-13 02:13PM, Julian Leviston wrote: > >What is "text"? Do you store your "text" in ASCII, EBCDIC, SHIFT-JIS or > >UTF-8? If it's UTF-8, how do you use an ASCII editor to edit the UTF-8 > >files? > > > >Just saying' ;-) Hopefully you

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

This has been an interesting conversation. I don't like how it's hidden under the innocent looking subject `Error trying to compile COLA` On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Martin Baldan wrote: > > > > > > this is possible, but it assumes, essentially, that one doesn't run into > > such a limit. >

[fonc] The subject line can be changed

So let's change it the next time the actual subject changes. Loup. David Barbour wrote: This has been an interesting conversation. I don't like how it's hidden under the innocent looking subject `Error trying to compile COLA` ___ fonc mailing list f

Re: [fonc] Block-Strings / Heredocs (Re: Magic Ink and Killing Math)

I couldn't agree more. "text" and "files" are just encoding and packaging. We routinely represent the same information in different ways during different stages of a program or system's lifecycle in order to obtain advantages relevant to the processing problems at hand. In the past, it has b

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

For better or worse, both Apple and Microsoft (via Windows 8) are attempting to rectify this via the "Terms and Conditions" route. It's been announced that both Windows 8 and OSX Mountain Lion will require applications to be installed via download thru their respective "App Stores" in order to

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

But we haven't wanted to program in Smalltalk for a long time. This is a crazy non-solution (and is so on the iPad already) No one should have to work around someone else's bad designs and implementations ... Cheers, Alan > > From: Mack >To: Fundamentals o

[fonc] De Tocqueville, was Re: Error trying to compile COLA

The entire effort to lift software development to a level beyond today's institutionalized approaches reminds me of a quote from Alexis de Tocqueville… "… Such is not the course adopted by tyranny in democratic republics; there the body is left free, and the soul is enslaved. The master no longe

Re: [fonc] Block-Strings / Heredocs (Re: Magic Ink and Killing Math)

On 14/03/2012, at 2:11 AM, David Barbour wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Josh Grams wrote: > On 2012-03-13 02:13PM, Julian Leviston wrote: > >What is "text"? Do you store your "text" in ASCII, EBCDIC, SHIFT-JIS or > >UTF-8? If it's UTF-8, how do you use an ASCII editor to edit t

[fonc] Where is the Moshi image?

I've been reading a few more documents, and it seems that the first step towards having something like Frank at home would be to get hold of a Moshi Squeak image. For instance, in "Implementing DBJr with Worlds" we can read: "Try It Yourself! The following steps will recreate our demo. (Important

[fonc] Project Nell

Chris Ball, Michael Stone, and I have just written a short paper on Project Nell, which should be of interest to this list: http://cscott.net/Publications/OLPC/idc2012.pdf The paper mentions TurtleScript (http://cscott.net/Projects/TurtleScript/) which I've discussed on this list before. --scot

Re: [fonc] Where is the Moshi image?

Just out of curiosity, what's this? http://tinlizzie.org/dbjr/frank.lbox/ Julian On 14/03/2012, at 11:10 AM, Martin Baldan wrote: > I've been reading a few more documents, and it seems that the first > step towards having something like Frank at home would be to get hold > of a Moshi Squeak ima

Re: [fonc] Block-Strings / Heredocs (Re: Magic Ink and Killing Math)

On 3/13/2012 4:37 PM, Julian Leviston wrote: On 14/03/2012, at 2:11 AM, David Barbour wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Josh Grams > wrote: On 2012-03-13 02:13PM, Julian Leviston wrote: >What is "text"? Do you store your "text" in ASCII, EBCDIC, S

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

But, that's exactly the cause for concern! Aside from the fact of Smalltalk's obsolescence (which isn't really the point), the Squeak plugin could never be approved by a 'responsible' sysadmin, *because it can run arbitrary user code*! Squeak's not in the app store for exactly that reason. You'll n

Re: [fonc] Where is the Moshi image?

" An LBox is a 'membrane' containing independent aspects that work together to be the box's look and behavior. Aspects communicate by publishing and subscribing to announcements of events"  See http://www.vpri.org/pdf/m2011002_lesserphic.pdf Mar 13, 2012 09:01:14 PM, fonc@vpri.org wrote: Just out