Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-29 Thread Peter B. West
Clay Leeds wrote: Peter B. West wrote: Shorthands have been fully handled in alt-design's properties for about 18 months now. Not true. How quickly we forget! The nasty ones are, notably font and border, but I just (re-)discovered that xml:lang wasn't, and I have implemented it. Peter --

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-20 Thread Chris Bowditch
Simon Pepping wrote: That was basic work. The basis of the property subsystem is good, and shorthands all work, I think. But it is another question which properties are really implemented w.r.t. their effect on the layout. I do not think we have a good overview. See Glen's experimental approach:

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-20 Thread Chris Bowditch
Peter B. West wrote: My understanding is that thanks to the property work earlier this year by Glen, Finn and Simon, that properties are 95% there, including shorthands. Admittely I didnt follow their work very closely, so could be wrong about this. Im sure Glen will interject and correct me on

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-20 Thread Glen Mazza
--- Clay Leeds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I do understand the format itself pretty well, so if you can give me 'before' and after (or a diff would be fine, I can commit the necessary changes--committership has its privileges... don't worry, I won't touch JAVA code 'til I've spent

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-20 Thread Clay Leeds
On May 20, 2004, at 1:13 PM, Glen Mazza wrote: --- Clay Leeds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can commit now? Congratulations--I guess that means you got the CLA finished! Yeah... Thanks! My company took about a month to sign FAX the necessary Corporate CLA, and I couldn't FAX mine in 'til it was

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread arnd . beissner
Clay Leeds [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 19.05.2004 01:03:19: It would be interesting to compare some RenderX example output between the two^H^H^H three (ArndFO, fop-0.20.5, fop-1.0Dev)... I suspect there may be other significant differences as well, with performance, heap, etc. Be warned

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread Clay Leeds
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clay Leeds [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 19.05.2004 01:03:19: It would be interesting to compare some RenderX example output between the two^H^H^H three (ArndFO, fop-0.20.5, fop-1.0Dev)... I suspect there may be other significant differences as well, with performance,

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread Chris Bowditch
Clay Leeds wrote: Be warned that the RenderX testsuite files require a relatively high degree of spec compliance. Shorthands are used everywhere, all table examples require auto-layout, and so on. I confess that I learned a few more things about FO when testing with these files... Sounds like a

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread Clay Leeds
Chris Bowditch wrote: Clay Leeds wrote: Sounds like a good exercise for someone like me, to transform those shorthand items into 'longhand'... My understanding is that thanks to the property work earlier this year by Glen, Finn and Simon, that properties are 95% there, including shorthands.

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread Simon Pepping
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 04:34:14PM +0100, Chris Bowditch wrote: Clay Leeds wrote: Sounds like a good exercise for someone like me, to transform those shorthand items into 'longhand'... My understanding is that thanks to the property work earlier this year by Glen, Finn and Simon, that

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread Peter B. West
Chris Bowditch wrote: Clay Leeds wrote: Be warned that the RenderX testsuite files require a relatively high degree of spec compliance. Shorthands are used everywhere, all table examples require auto-layout, and so on. I confess that I learned a few more things about FO when testing with these

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread Peter B. West
Clay Leeds wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clay Leeds [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 19.05.2004 01:03:19: It would be interesting to compare some RenderX example output between the two^H^H^H three (ArndFO, fop-0.20.5, fop-1.0Dev)... I suspect there may be other significant differences as well,

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread Clay Leeds
Peter B. West wrote: Clay Leeds wrote: Be warned that the RenderX testsuite files require a relatively high degree of spec compliance. Shorthands are used everywhere, all table examples require auto-layout, and so on. I confess that I learned a few more things about FO when testing with these

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread Peter B. West
Clay Leeds wrote: Peter B. West wrote: Shorthands have been fully handled in alt-design's properties for about 18 months now. Glad to hear it! One of these days, I'll have to build alt.design from source so I can see all of your hard work. I notice that it uses a non-ant system of building, so

Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-18 Thread Peter B. West
The thing that immediately strikes me about Arnd's development is that it seems to blow away the theory that incremental modification of an existing code base is always the better way to go. IIUC, Arnd wrote a formatter from scratch (except for some fo the font handling) in two years. Peter

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-18 Thread Clay Leeds
Peter B. West wrote: The thing that immediately strikes me about Arnd's development is that it seems to blow away the theory that incremental modification of an existing code base is always the better way to go. IIUC, Arnd wrote a formatter from scratch (except for some fo the font handling)