[Fwd: [xsl] Sun xmlroff XSL Formatter as SourceForge Project]

2003-02-20 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
Hello there!

So, xmlroff is available at SourceForge now.

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Subject: [xsl] Sun xmlroff XSL Formatter as SourceForge Project
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:44:42 -0600 (CST)
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See:

http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2003-02-19-a.html

http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmlroff/
http://xmlroff.sourceforge.net/index.html

Apologies if this is a duplicate reference.

Robin

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Re: [Fwd: [xsl] Sun xmlroff XSL Formatter as SourceForge Project]

2003-02-20 Thread Tony Graham
Oleg Tkachenko wrote at 20 Feb 2003 10:42:11 +0200:
  Hello there!
  
  So, xmlroff is available at SourceForge now.

Yes.  And Robin Cover did such a good summary page on the announcement
that it's a hard act to follow.

I expect this to be my last post to fop-dev about xmlroff.  If you are
interested in xmlroff, see the SourceForge sites.

Regards,


Tony Graham

XML Technology Center - Dublin
Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd   Phone: +353 1 8199708
Hamilton House, East Point Business Park, Dublin 3x(70)19708
 
   Original Message 
  Subject: [xsl] Sun xmlroff XSL Formatter as SourceForge Project
  Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:44:42 -0600 (CST)
  From: Robin Cover [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  See:
  
  http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2003-02-19-a.html
  
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmlroff/
  http://xmlroff.sourceforge.net/index.html
  
  Apologies if this is a duplicate reference.
  
  Robin
  
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Re: Long licence

2003-02-20 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Thanks, your help is most welcome. Yes, we have to change all three :-)
codebases.

On 20.02.2003 08:33:31 Oleg Tkachenko wrote:
 Jeremias Maerki wrote:
  That's it. The board has finally spoken. We need to change to long
  licences in our codebase. Anyone out there with free time? If not, I can
  do it.
 I can help you. Should we change both codebases?


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Re: Licence issues in hyphenation patterns

2003-02-20 Thread J.Pietschmann
Victor Mote wrote:

I don't think the LPPL works at all for us. The preamble says: You may
distribute a complete, unmodified copy of The Program. Distribution of only
part of The Program is not allowed.


Well, as I already wrote in another post, it's not really
clear what The Program is in the context of the hyphenation
files. The case I examined had *only* the hyphenation file
in the directory the URL pointed to, with no visible affilations
to any other files from either the context nor the file itself
(did not mention ..is part of The Program or something.
I concluded The Program is in this case the hyphenation file
itself.
Also I think the preamble refers to *unmodified* files. Derived
works seems not to be covered there.


The important part for us is that the LPPL is not viral, with
the exception of the filename prohibition. In particular it
allows distributing derived work (read: binary FOP distributions)
without the code.

BTW we should track down and delete all binary distribution
containing the compiled hyph file from the three GPL sources.
The source distributions are not an immediate risk and can be
kept. Who has access to the distro repository?

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Re: Licence issues in hyphenation patterns

2003-02-20 Thread J.Pietschmann
Jeremias Maerki wrote:

You could be right about apply the Apache licence. Does everbody agree
in this case?


Unless the old license somehow prevents it, we can choose any
license we like for any Derived Work we can claim copyright for
(golly... though shalt not and a sentence with a preposition,
lest they think you come from Texas... :-)

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Re: Licence issues in hyphenation patterns

2003-02-20 Thread J.Pietschmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Creating patterns for Portuguese is much simpler than with English.


Thank you for the explanation. I *knew* there should be something
easier than english. Or german. Or hungarian, FTM. There is still
an unresolved issue: why do so many people still use english? :-)


Actually I did this in my spare time, and only some months later I came to
use it in a company project that used FOP (with my influence, of course).
So the file is not property of PetrobrĂ¡s, it is mine.

Good to hear!


But my employee
wouldn't care anyway. PetrobrĂ¡s' business is oil, not software,

You wouldn't believe where PHBs go searching for something to
squeeze money out of when funds run short...


I am donating the hyphenation file to the ASF, and although it would be
nice to keep the copyright, I think that would hamper future enhancements,
or not?

As long as you don't choose to revoke the license for all
future and past versions (rather than forking or whatever),
there wouldn't be a problem. This was recently extensively
discussed on slashdot in response to an interview with a
real lawyer.

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-02-20 23:16 ---
This happens if the line area overflows. The two longest section titles
are too long. Shorten them until the problem is fixed.

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Re: Looking for the best location for a barcode library

2003-02-20 Thread J.Pietschmann
Victor Mote wrote:

I agree. There are some other parts of FOP that would seem to be similar --
fonts and hyphenation come to mind.


I was always under the impression there is some overlap
with Batik, programs producing charts or organigrams
(drawing boxes around text) and the like. Now, who's
going to coordinate this stuff?

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Re: Licence issues in hyphenation patterns

2003-02-20 Thread Keiron Liddle
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  I am donating the hyphenation file to the ASF, and although it would be
  nice to keep the copyright, I think that would hamper future enhancements,
  or not?
 As long as you don't choose to revoke the license for all
 future and past versions (rather than forking or whatever),
 there wouldn't be a problem. This was recently extensively
 discussed on slashdot in response to an interview with a
 real lawyer.

From a quick look at the contributors license (I couldn't find a link that works) it 
appears that when code is contributed to the ASF the copyright is granted to the 
ASF. THe contributor does reserve remaining rights, title and interest.
I don't know if code contributed under this agreement is the same as code 
contributed with normal patches etc., maybe it is implied?

Keiron.

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Re: ready to go again

2003-02-20 Thread Keiron Liddle
 OK, I am ready to jump in  do some work. Sorry for being out of action for
 so long. The threads that I would like to complete, or at least resolve,
 first, are:
 
 1. Documentation. The main problem here is the web site generation, but it
 seemed to me that Peter and some others may have gotten that working. If so,
 is the readme doc up-to-date? (The last time I tried to run it, in December,
 the generation failed with errors).

everything seems to be working fine on:
http://forrestbot.cocoondev.org/
with only a couple of broken links.

It is possible to update the site from the web interface (I haven't tried it) if you 
know the password.

Keiron.

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Re: Long licence

2003-02-20 Thread Peter B. West
Jeremias,

Can we put the copyright notice at the end of the files?  It's a PITA 
haaving it at the beginning.  I'll change the FOP_0-20-0_Alt-Design files.

Peter

Jeremias Maerki wrote:
Thanks, your help is most welcome. Yes, we have to change all three :-)
codebases.

On 20.02.2003 08:33:31 Oleg Tkachenko wrote:


Jeremias Maerki wrote:


That's it. The board has finally spoken. We need to change to long
licences in our codebase. Anyone out there with free time? If not, I can
do it.


I can help you. Should we change both codebases?




Jeremias Maerki


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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-02-21 06:55 ---
Modifing the titles is one solution, but not really satisfing considering the
long title was just continued on a second line - i.e. this was working in 0.20.1
- 0.20.5rc - and FOP will properly crash on a lot of documents with long titles. 

Anyway, sometimes one is not allowed to modify anything in a document, i.e. if a
document is committee work..

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Re: Licence issues in hyphenation patterns

2003-02-20 Thread Jeremias Maerki

On 20.02.2003 23:58:48 J.Pietschmann wrote:
 Victor Mote wrote:
  I don't think the LPPL works at all for us. The preamble says: You may
  distribute a complete, unmodified copy of The Program. Distribution of only
  part of The Program is not allowed.
 
 Well, as I already wrote in another post, it's not really
 clear what The Program is in the context of the hyphenation
 files. The case I examined had *only* the hyphenation file
 in the directory the URL pointed to, with no visible affilations
 to any other files from either the context nor the file itself
 (did not mention ..is part of The Program or something.
 I concluded The Program is in this case the hyphenation file
 itself.

I agree.

 Also I think the preamble refers to *unmodified* files. Derived
 works seems not to be covered there.


 The important part for us is that the LPPL is not viral, with
 the exception of the filename prohibition. In particular it
 allows distributing derived work (read: binary FOP distributions)
 without the code.

Yes, but see point 4, for example. That will be difficult for the
compiled hyphenation patterns.

 BTW we should track down and delete all binary distribution
 containing the compiled hyph file from the three GPL sources.
 The source distributions are not an immediate risk and can be
 kept. Who has access to the distro repository?

Good thought!

Jeremias Maerki


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Re: Looking for the best location for a barcode library

2003-02-20 Thread Jeremias Maerki

On 21.02.2003 00:17:51 J.Pietschmann wrote:
 Victor Mote wrote:
  I agree. There are some other parts of FOP that would seem to be similar --
  fonts and hyphenation come to mind.
 
 I was always under the impression there is some overlap
 with Batik, programs producing charts or organigrams
 (drawing boxes around text) and the like. Now, who's
 going to coordinate this stuff?

Well, for Apache-local stuff this is the Apache community. Maybe small
packages that are of use in more than one place one of the many Commons
projects may be the right place. We could at least try to compile a list
of those known to us and put it on the FOP site.

For packages that exist outside of Apache we can only have some links to
them. Don't know how this can be coordinated at all.

At least, having pointers to such projects on the FOP website helps
these projects to gain publicity.

Jeremias Maerki


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