Re: Media or paper tray selection in FOP

2006-05-12 Thread mm
Simon Pepping wrote: snip/ Regarding a configuration file per printing run, recently a similar possibility was put forward for the user preferences for printer-specific image handling and other options. In a recent fop-user post I suggested the idea of hyphenation exceptions in a

Re: Media or paper tray selection in FOP

2006-05-12 Thread Simon Pepping
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 03:50:01PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Pepping wrote: However, I now feel the need to comment from a developers point of view, i.e. a developer who uses fop in high volume backend business processes. If I would have to deal with creating per document

Re: Media or paper tray selection in FOP

2006-05-11 Thread Chris Bowditch
Simon Pepping wrote: Hi, I read the long discussion between Jeremias and Chris, and Jörg's note. I do not like the idea of extension elements. I think, here I refer back to a recent post by Glen about standard FO files. I like the idea of a configuration file. Even a different configuration

Re: Media or paper tray selection in FOP

2006-05-11 Thread Simon Pepping
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 08:55:24AM +0100, Chris Bowditch wrote: Simon Pepping wrote: So definitely a configuration external to the FO file. And something like the Java Printing System to know the installed printer configuration and provide the user with the appropriate GUI and choice.

Re: Media or paper tray selection in FOP

2006-05-10 Thread Jeremias Maerki
On 09.05.2006 23:57:24 J.Pietschmann wrote: Jeremias Maerki wrote: Attention: long post. :-) [snip stuff which reminds me on reinventing TeX/DVI] Using the page master name to map onto output media suggests that different page flows could be printed on different media. Is this correct?

Re: Media or paper tray selection in FOP

2006-05-10 Thread Jeremias Maerki
On 09.05.2006 17:13:40 Chris Bowditch wrote: Jeremias Maerki wrote: On 09.05.2006 16:04:37 Chris Bowditch wrote: Jeremias Maerki wrote: On 09.05.2006 13:35:11 Chris Bowditch wrote: snip/ This renderer configuration is still implemented as an extension. It's just that the

Re: Media or paper tray selection in FOP

2006-05-10 Thread Simon Pepping
Hi, I read the long discussion between Jeremias and Chris, and Jörg's note. I do not like the idea of extension elements. I think, here I refer back to a recent post by Glen about standard FO files. I like the idea of a configuration file. Even a different configuration file for each single

Re: Media or paper tray selection in FOP

2006-05-10 Thread J.Pietschmann
Jeremias Maerki wrote: We can throw exceptions if no mapping is found, or the stuff is simply printed on the default paper and people will quickly figure out that they've done something wrong. Well, having printed large documents on partly manually fed special paper I know that even small

Media or paper tray selection in FOP

2006-05-09 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Attention: long post. :-) So far FOP does not do any media or paper tray selection in the supported output formats. Only PostScript output has an extension that allows to insert PostScript code to do media selection. With the arrival of PCL and AFP output formats, this topic gains new importance.

Re: Media or paper tray selection in FOP

2006-05-09 Thread Chris Bowditch
Jeremias Maerki wrote: snip/ Conclusion: Using the master-name approach instead of including printer-specific commands adds flexibility for media and paper tray selection. The only thing that will be useful is a parameter to FOP and/or an extension value in XSL-FO which specifies the actualy

Re: Media or paper tray selection in FOP

2006-05-09 Thread Jeremias Maerki
On 09.05.2006 13:35:11 Chris Bowditch wrote: Jeremias Maerki wrote: snip/ Conclusion: Using the master-name approach instead of including printer-specific commands adds flexibility for media and paper tray selection. The only thing that will be useful is a parameter to FOP and/or an

Re: Media or paper tray selection in FOP

2006-05-09 Thread Chris Bowditch
Jeremias Maerki wrote: On 09.05.2006 13:35:11 Chris Bowditch wrote: snip/ I'm sorry Jeremias, your arguments here have failed to convince me that your suggested approach is the best way. I'm still in favour of using extension elements for PS, PCL and AFP. It should be possible to add the

Re: Media or paper tray selection in FOP

2006-05-09 Thread Jeremias Maerki
On 09.05.2006 16:04:37 Chris Bowditch wrote: Jeremias Maerki wrote: On 09.05.2006 13:35:11 Chris Bowditch wrote: snip/ As you've already mentioned in PS there is more than one way of specifying tray selection. So assuming one particular way (/MediaType) would be rather limiting in my

Re: Media or paper tray selection in FOP

2006-05-09 Thread Chris Bowditch
Jeremias Maerki wrote: On 09.05.2006 16:04:37 Chris Bowditch wrote: Jeremias Maerki wrote: On 09.05.2006 13:35:11 Chris Bowditch wrote: snip/ Yes I agree that /MediaType is the most widely used way, but we have customers out there using /MediaPosition too. The bit I don't understand

Re: Media or paper tray selection in FOP

2006-05-09 Thread J.Pietschmann
Jeremias Maerki wrote: Attention: long post. :-) [snip stuff which reminds me on reinventing TeX/DVI] Using the page master name to map onto output media suggests that different page flows could be printed on different media. Is this correct? I don't like the idea of using the name of