Re: reference-orientation on side regions

2011-03-09 Thread Glenn Adams
I don't have time to participate in this thread at the moment, but I want to mention that writing mode should have no impact on any CTM produced by a reference orientation. Writing mode is solely used to (1) resolve the absolute inline and block progression directions (prior to any rotation of ref

Re: reference-orientation on side regions

2011-03-09 Thread Vincent Hennebert
On 09/03/11 17:34, Andreas Delmelle wrote: > On 09 Mar 2011, at 00:04, Vincent Hennebert wrote: >>> The before-edge of the region-viewport-area (V) >> >> This is ambiguous. Of which rectangle of the region-viewport-area? The >> edge is not the same whether we are talking about the >> border/paddin

Re: reference-orientation on side regions

2011-03-09 Thread Andreas Delmelle
On 09 Mar 2011, at 00:04, Vincent Hennebert wrote: > Why?? Where in the spec is that interpretation of the term > ‘reference-area’ given? > > OTOH, in Section 4.2.2: “An area for which [the is-reference-area] trait > is true is called a reference-area.” Arrghh, too liberal interpretation from

Re: reference-orientation on side regions

2011-03-08 Thread Vincent Hennebert
On 08/03/11 21:14, Andreas Delmelle wrote: > On 08 Mar 2011, at 21:26, Vincent Hennebert wrote: > >> >> A viewport-area /is/ a reference-area. See section 4.2.2. > > I think we're almost there. > > From that section: > > "A common construct is a viewport/reference pair. This is a viewport-area

Re: reference-orientation on side regions

2011-03-08 Thread Andreas Delmelle
On 08 Mar 2011, at 21:26, Vincent Hennebert wrote: > > A viewport-area /is/ a reference-area. See section 4.2.2. I think we're almost there. From that section: "A common construct is a viewport/reference pair. This is a viewport-area V and a block-area reference-area R, where R is the sole c

Re: reference-orientation on side regions

2011-03-08 Thread Vincent Hennebert
On 07/03/11 23:57, Andreas Delmelle wrote: > > On 04 Mar 2011, at 12:25, Vincent Hennebert wrote: > >> On 03/03/11 20:18, Andreas Delmelle wrote: >>> >>> Let's assume that this refers to the default/normal situation. After all, >>> we are quoting the _general_ fo:region-before definition (= wher

Re: reference-orientation on side regions

2011-03-07 Thread Andreas Delmelle
On 04 Mar 2011, at 12:25, Vincent Hennebert wrote: > On 03/03/11 20:18, Andreas Delmelle wrote: >> >> Let's assume that this refers to the default/normal situation. After all, we >> are quoting the _general_ fo:region-before definition (= where no deviating >> reference-orientation has been sp

Re: reference-orientation on side regions

2011-03-04 Thread Vincent Hennebert
On 03/03/11 20:18, Andreas Delmelle wrote: > On 03 Mar 2011, at 13:08, Vincent Hennebert wrote: > >>> Unless ... the viewport is where the actual rotation takes place. >>> IIC, the region-viewport's before-edge is still parallel to the >>> page-reference-area's before edge. The before-edge of th

Re: reference-orientation on side regions

2011-03-03 Thread Andreas Delmelle
On 03 Mar 2011, at 21:18, Andreas Delmelle wrote: > > So, specifying reference-orientation="90" on the region rotates its > reference-area by 90 degrees from the page-reference-area. Correction: this is still the 1.0-way of looking at it. In 1.1, this would have to be something along the line

Re: reference-orientation on side regions

2011-03-03 Thread Andreas Delmelle
On 03 Mar 2011, at 13:08, Vincent Hennebert wrote: >> Unless ... the viewport is where the actual rotation takes place. >> IIC, the region-viewport's before-edge is still parallel to the >> page-reference-area's before edge. The before-edge of the >> region-reference-area, however, is the one t

Re: reference-orientation on side regions

2011-03-03 Thread Andreas Delmelle
On 03 Mar 2011, at 13:08, Vincent Hennebert wrote: >> >>> Unless, of course, I have completely missed the point, which might well >>> be the case. >> >> Only forgot to check the history/legacy --as did I when I filed bug #46826 > > Frankly, I’m not willing to look at the XSL-FO 1.0 Recommendati

Re: reference-orientation on side regions

2011-03-03 Thread Vincent Hennebert
On 02/03/11 21:30, Andreas Delmelle wrote: > On 02 Mar 2011, at 21:30, Vincent Hennebert wrote: >> I came across a very interesting section of the XSL-FO 1.1 >> Recommendation. This is the description of the >> from-page-master-region >> function in section 5.10.4, “Property Value Functions”. >

Re: reference-orientation on side regions

2011-03-02 Thread Andreas Delmelle
On 02 Mar 2011, at 22:30, Andreas Delmelle wrote: > > The implementation of the (from-page-master) function itself seems like a > simple thing to add. Even someone who doesn't know FOP's codebase should be > able to figure it out in no more than one day... (not taking into account > preparat

Re: reference-orientation on side regions

2011-03-02 Thread Andreas Delmelle
On 02 Mar 2011, at 21:30, Vincent Hennebert wrote: To answer the final question first: > Any thoughts? Yep! Well, not many, but /some/... BTW: there is also Bugzilla 46826, which is related to reference-orientation. It is currently treated as an inherited property, which is non-compliant and l

reference-orientation on side regions

2011-03-02 Thread Vincent Hennebert
aka “The Recommendation Strikes Back” I came across a very interesting section of the XSL-FO 1.1 Recommendation. This is the description of the from-page-master-region function in section 5.10.4, “Property Value Functions”. This function can be used to determine the computed value of the “writing-