Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene
What about just having a few small plugins based on the markdown you want? Separate from the source, not required, 1 plugin per formatting. I don't care what's used, as long as it's not plain HTML. HTML is mental-process retardant. ___ fossil-users

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Stephan Beal
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 5:34 AM, Joshua Paine jos...@letterblock.comwrote: There are only a small handful of popular wiki languages. Some implementations may have more or less features +1 for google code wiki. :) Fossil itself is an example of looking at an already-crowded field and

[fossil-users] url to view local, non-checked in wiki pages?

2009-11-29 Thread Stephan Beal
Hi, all! A long, long time ago someone (DRH?) posted a way to allow us to view locally-modified wiki pages before they are committed by using the local webserver. i seem to remember the keyword tip being somewhere in the URL. Does one of you happen to remember it? i've been unable to find it.

Re: [fossil-users] url to view local, non-checked in wiki pages?

2009-11-29 Thread Dmitry Chestnykh
You can view not-yet-commited embedded documentation by replacing tip in the URL with ckout. More here: http://www.fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/tip/www/embeddeddoc.wiki -- Dmitry Chestnykh Coding Robots http://www.codingrobots.com dmi...@codingrobots.com On 29.11.2009, at 13:24, Stephan

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Eric
The number of mails about this just proves that there is no right choice for a new wiki markup. There are plenty of lightweight markup formats out there (with their own enthusiastic followers) that haven't even been mentioned here yet. If you want to do your project documentation a particular way,

Re: [fossil-users] Wiki Formatting?

2009-11-29 Thread Stephen De Gabrielle
There is nothing stopping you checking in your tool of choice for the project you are working on. S. On Saturday, November 28, 2009, Jeremy Cowgar jer...@cowgar.com wrote: Is Fossil going to have Wiki formatting? It's a real drag to use all the standard HTML when there are formats that

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Jeremy Cowgar
Others... I've mentioned other standards, yes. However, I would accept *any* complete format. Creole is NOT better than Markdown and Markdown is NOT better than Textitle and Textile is NOT better than Creole... They all do the same thing. They are all complete. What I am suggesting for the wiki

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Jeremy Cowgar
For those that would like a real human formatting language it would be worth a dependency. For those that prefer to use HTML can simply not link in the library. #ifdef MARKDOWN #include markdown.h #endif ... #ifdef MARKDOWN output = ConvertMarkdown(rawText); #endif ... $ gcc -DMARKDOWN

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Michael Richter
And with this you lose the interoperability of Fossil repositories. Go team. 2009/11/29 Jeremy Cowgar jer...@cowgar.com For those that would like a real human formatting language it would be worth a dependency. For those that prefer to use HTML can simply not link in the library. #ifdef

[fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Stephen De Gabrielle
I'm new to fossil, but if you need a different markup notation you can check it in, along with the tool you need to process it. Stephen On Sunday, November 29, 2009, Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene thinkwritem...@gmail.com wrote: What about just having a few small plugins based on the markdown you want?

Re: [fossil-users] Wiki Formatting?

2009-11-29 Thread Jeremy Cowgar
If you look into a lot of the wiki's, they see the problem as well and many devs have went together to start standardizing on a format, Creole being one of them. Every wiki has their own special format but the formats that I have mentioned are formats that are creating a standard, cross-wiki,

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Michael Richter
2009/11/29 Jeremy Cowgar jer...@cowgar.com It has been mentioned that there will be complaining and arguing to what format to choose and yet there has been none, only those who dislike a format *making assumptions* as to what will happen. In other news, irony is my very favourite thing in

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Jeremy Cowgar
Zed, To some people the documentation of their project is of vital importance and the ability to do that self contained in Fossil is not a minor or marginal issue. Fossil works fantastic for me, the only problem I see right now is the lack of ability to easy document my project. Fossil see's

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Will Duquette
My two cents on all of this: regardless of what wiki syntax is used, the Fossil Wiki is a lousy way to do your software documentation. You write your software. Ultimately, you deliver your software. Then you want to deliver your documentation *with* your software...and it's in a wiki

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Jeremy Cowgar
I think you are misunderstanding what one should document in the fossil wiki. Not at all end user documentation. The documentation I put there is design documentation, application goals/requirements, etc... End user documentation is something totally different that is not at all contained in

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Jeremy Cowgar
From: Jeremy Cowgar jer...@cowgar.com Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:01 AM To: fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org Subject: Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm) I think you are misunderstanding what one should document in the fossil wiki. I should have said what I put in

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Will Duquette
Fair enough. On Nov 29, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Jeremy Cowgar wrote: I think you are misunderstanding what one should document in the fossil wiki. Not at all end user documentation. The documentation I put there is design documentation, application goals/requirements, etc... End user

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene
The current way to format text blows. There is a divide on which markdown to use. Formatting makes reading text much much better. Solution: Put the top three markdowns in a list. Use a random number generator to pick the markdown language. These large email conversations about markdown* are

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Bill Whiting
One thought that I had was to enable feeding wiki pages through a TCP pipe so that they could be post-processed. That would enable storing the pages in the wiki and rendering the wiki pages completely could be done on any platform that supports a web server. Any wiki markup can be supported

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Joshua Paine
On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 08:51 -0800, Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene wrote: There is a divide on which markdown to use. That's just it: there isn't! There are people who say we don't need a markdown-esque formatting (or the minimal one already in fossil is enough), and there are people who want a more

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Eric
From: Will Duquette w...@wjduquette.com Date: Sun, November 29, 2009 3:36 pm My two cents on all of this: regardless of what wiki syntax is used, the Fossil Wiki is a lousy way to do your software documentation. You write your software. Ultimately, you deliver your

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene
Q1: 4 YES | 1 APATHETIC | 2 NO Q2: 4 WHATEVER WORKS | 2 HTML | 1 MARKDOWN PS I said this was specifically for my own curiosity, nothing more. Nice try, Zed. On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Zed A. Shaw zeds...@zedshaw.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 05:05:52PM -0600, Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene

Re: [fossil-users] Zip files won't unzip on OS X

2009-11-29 Thread Will Duquette
Anonymous can clone it, according to the Users page. I've not tried that myself. Will On Nov 29, 2009, at 5:04 PM, chi wrote: Will Duquette wrote: Chi, Hello Will, Thanks for the word about the bug fix. I'll see about updating to the latest Fossil binary; I'd been putting it

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Will Duquette
Purely out of curiousity, I've glanced at Markdown and Creole, neither of which I've used. The problem with Markdown is that the format as defined simply isn't a Wiki format. It's Wiki-like, but doesn't include the markup for links to wiki pages. (There's some kind of linking, but it

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Jeremy Cowgar
I have not done extensive research either, however, I would say solve the first problem first. 1. Can we extend the wiki to allow better text formatting? 2. If so, what format would we want to implement? 3. Who will do the implementation? 4. --- Now we can look at libraries --- 4a. Is there a

Re: [fossil-users] Zip files won't unzip on OS X

2009-11-29 Thread chi
Will Duquette wrote: Anonymous can clone it, according to the Users page. I've not tried that myself. Hmmm ... if I try, fossil means, that anonymous have no rights to clone the repository. If you look onto the User page, what password user anonymous posses? Perhaps it is some hex

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Will Duquette
Some of the e-mails in this thread today made it sound like it would be an easy thing to just drop one of these formats in; or, at least, so I interpreted them. As someone noted, a little data is a useful thing, so I went and found some. Understand, I'm not advocating for any result in

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Zed A. Shaw
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 04:19:02PM -0800, Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene wrote: Q1: 4 YES | 1 APATHETIC | 2 NO Q2: 4 WHATEVER WORKS | 2 HTML | 1 MARKDOWN PS I said this was specifically for my own curiosity, nothing more. Nice try, Zed. Now now, you can't stop it when you want. To keep you honest

Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm)

2009-11-29 Thread Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene
I'm not going to bother stopping it, nor did I plan to. I was only showing you what the first 10m showed. Now? YES: 13 NO: 3 Any: 13 Markdown: 3 Creole: 1 On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Zed A. Shaw zeds...@zedshaw.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 04:19:02PM -0800, Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene

Re: [fossil-users] Zip files won't unzip on OS X

2009-11-29 Thread chi
Will Duquette wrote: I thought that might be the case, but I wasn't sure. I've set it up so that nobody can clone. Alternatively, you can log in as anonymous and use the Zip Archive link on the Leaf page. Or you can download glue.kit. Thank you, now cloning worked out :-) Thank you,