Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-09-03 Thread Natacha Porté
Hello, on Monday 30 July 2012 at 18:53, Stephan Beal wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Natacha Porté nata...@instinctive.euwrote: What remains to do: + review my code to ensure it meets fossil level of quality, + format it using fossil code style if needed, + any other

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-07 Thread Alaric Snell-Pym
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/06/2012 10:46 AM, Jan Danielsson wrote: On 08/03/12 15:42, Stephan Beal wrote: [---] Another consideration here is that the wiki has kind of fallen out of use, [---] I don't know that that is true. The only proof of this I have seen

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-07 Thread Stephan Beal
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Alaric Snell-Pym ala...@snell-pym.org.ukwrote: I have a fossil repo for my house. The wiki is served up from the home... i'm willing to bet that that's a use case none of us foresaw. -- - stephan beal http://wanderinghorse.net/home/stephan/

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-06 Thread Jan Danielsson
On 08/03/12 15:42, Stephan Beal wrote: [---] Another consideration here is that the wiki has kind of fallen out of use, [---] I don't know that that is true. The only proof of this I have seen prior to this thread is that at times it's mentioned that the fossil repository uses embedded wiki

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-06 Thread Stephan Beal
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Jan Danielsson jan.m.daniels...@gmail.comwrote: For my part, I use the built in editor/wiki command line on a daily basis, and it would sadden me greatly if it is depreciated, or if someone would scrap any ideas of enhancements to it due to the perceived

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-04 Thread Joan Picanyol i Puig
* Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com [20120803 15:34]: Another consideration here is that the wiki has kind of fallen out of use, with the embedded docs system generally being preferred. While i admit that i pay a good deal of attention to fossil's wiki API (i've added several of the wiki

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-04 Thread Stephan Beal
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Joan Picanyol i Puig lists-fos...@biaix.org wrote: I believe you are underestimating the built-in wiki. As I see it is one of fossil's killer features: my use case is a dramatically lower barrier to entry for non-developers contributing to a non-distributed

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Natacha Porté
Hello, on Monday 30 July 2012 at 18:53, Stephan Beal wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Natacha Porté nata...@instinctive.euwrote: What remains to do: + review my code to ensure it meets fossil level of quality, + format it using fossil code style if needed, + any other

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Michal Suchanek
On 3 August 2012 11:23, Remigiusz Modrzejewski l...@maxnet.org.pl wrote: On Jul 30, 2012, at 19:43 , Gautier DI FOLCO wrote: 2012/7/30 Bill Burdick bill.burd...@gmail.com I'd like to see it included, as well! I'd like it too, it will be easier for beginnes (like me!). +1 Why markdown

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Remigiusz Modrzejewski
On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:53 , Michal Suchanek wrote: On 3 August 2012 11:23, Remigiusz Modrzejewski l...@maxnet.org.pl wrote: +1 Why markdown and not one of the dozens of other wiki syntaxes? Because markdown is a very popular one, used by github, and we have on board the creator of a major

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Michal Suchanek
On 3 August 2012 12:07, Remigiusz Modrzejewski l...@maxnet.org.pl wrote: On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:53 , Michal Suchanek wrote: On 3 August 2012 11:23, Remigiusz Modrzejewski l...@maxnet.org.pl wrote: +1 Why markdown and not one of the dozens of other wiki syntaxes? Because markdown is a very

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Remigiusz Modrzejewski
On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:19 , Michal Suchanek wrote: Why markdown and not one of the dozens of other wiki syntaxes? Because markdown is a very popular one, used by github, and we have on board the creator of a major implementation (the one used by github, iirc). Github has a cute logo but I

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Michal Suchanek
On 3 August 2012 12:26, Remigiusz Modrzejewski l...@maxnet.org.pl wrote: Note there are JavaScript hacks for interpreting random wiki syntax so you can have markdown interpreted without any direct support in fossil. Note there are good wiki engines out there, so no need for one in Fossil

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Natacha Porté
Hello, On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:53 , Michal Suchanek wrote: Why markdown and not one of the dozens of other wiki syntaxes? If I understand correctly this question wasn't addressed to me (as a developer of the markdown-in-fossil code) but I'll try to contribute as objectively as I can. As a

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Michal Suchanek
On 3 August 2012 13:04, Natacha Porté nata...@instinctive.eu wrote: Hello, On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:53 , Michal Suchanek wrote: Why markdown and not one of the dozens of other wiki syntaxes? If I understand correctly this question wasn't addressed to me (as a developer of the

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Natacha Porté
Hello, on Friday 03 August 2012 at 13:41, Michal Suchanek wrote: On 3 August 2012 13:04, Natacha Porté nata...@instinctive.eu wrote: As a user, the killer feature I see for markdown is that the implementation exists (assuming my code is considered worthy, which is quite a strong

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov
On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:19:01 +0200 Michal Suchanek hramr...@gmail.com wrote: Why markdown and not one of the dozens of other wiki syntaxes? Because markdown is a very popular one, used by github, and we have on board the creator of a major implementation (the one used by github, iirc).

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Stephan Beal
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Natacha Porté nata...@instinctive.euwrote: No problem at all, I'm genuinely that patient. You could tell me nobody would have time to look at it in 2012, and that would be fine with me and I wouldn't send any other reminder before end of Januray 2013. No, no,

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Michal Suchanek
On 3 August 2012 14:02, Natacha Porté nata...@instinctive.eu wrote: Hello, on Friday 03 August 2012 at 13:41, Michal Suchanek wrote: I have strong objections about all such makups, none is perfect, all have some annoyances, and they are all mutually incompatible. Changing from one to

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Stephan Beal
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Michal Suchanek ...not to decide that but I have to agree. Once you let in markdown people used to some other wiki syntax would argue they have needlessly hard time and there would be no end to the stream of requests to include yet another. Hi Michal, For

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Stephan Beal
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Michal Suchanek hramr...@gmail.com wrote: And given somebody wrote a bbcode parser implementation, moin moin parser implementation, and a half dozen others which will be allowed in the fossil proper? Or is parser for any random format to be added? And now i

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Michal Suchanek
On 3 August 2012 14:40, Konstantin Khomoutov flatw...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:19:01 +0200 Michal Suchanek hramr...@gmail.com wrote: Why markdown and not one of the dozens of other wiki syntaxes? Because markdown is a very popular one, used by github, and we have

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Michal Suchanek
On 3 August 2012 15:14, Remigiusz Modrzejewski l...@maxnet.org.pl wrote: On Aug 3, 2012, at 14:57 , Stephan Beal wrote: That said: in several of my fossil wikis i store Google Code format in the wiki and render it client-side. My only point there is that it _is_ currently possible to

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov
On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:06:45 +0200 Michal Suchanek hramr...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Stackoverflow and all the sites under its umbrella, and all the sites using this engine, use (modified) markdown syntax [1], [2]. So again a somewhat slightly incompatible variation. Correct, but I hardly

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov
On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:02:38 +0200 Natacha Porté nata...@instinctive.eu wrote: [...] As I have said elsewhere, I'm not clever enough to imagine a solution to introduce markdown into fossil's internal wiki. So I don't propose it. I propose the extra embedded doc rendering, and the tools to

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Rene
On 2012-08-03 11:53, Michal Suchanek wrote: On 3 August 2012 11:23, Remigiusz Modrzejewski l...@maxnet.org.pl wrote: On Jul 30, 2012, at 19:43 , Gautier DI FOLCO wrote: 2012/7/30 Bill Burdick bill.burd...@gmail.com I'd like to see it included, as well! I'd like it too, it will be easier

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Stephan Beal
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Konstantin Khomoutov flatw...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: I do understand the rationale for this approach; if I were the author of Fossil (I'm incapable for this, but let's pretend I am, for the moment) I'd probably pick the same approach during an early phase

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Stephan Beal
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Konstantin Khomoutov flatw...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Supposedly, Fossil's wiki page editor could provide the same pick list the first time a page is created and then persist the chosen markup syntax with the page entry itself in an appropriate table.

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Stephan Beal
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: These pages show 3 page-specified renderers in action (it uses a name-extension mapper): That's a lie - each page has a client-specified mime-type string. Click on the editor button on these pages to see that.

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov
On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:42:05 +0200 Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: I do understand the rationale for this approach; if I were the author of Fossil (I'm incapable for this, but let's pretend I am, for the moment) I'd probably pick the same approach during an early phase of

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Richie Adler
Michal Suchanek escribió: Note there are JavaScript hacks for interpreting random wiki syntax so you can have markdown interpreted without any direct support in fossil. Note there are good wiki engines out there, so no need for one in Fossil too. But once we set the scope to include

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Richie Adler
Remigiusz Modrzejewski decía, en el mensaje Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil del Viernes, 03 de Agosto de 2012 07:26:27: I've read the we'll have requests for all the markups in the world argument many times. I can't remember anyone actually coming and asking for *anything

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Stephan Beal
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Natacha Porté nata...@instinctive.euwrote: Currently the code is in a new branch off a clone of the official fossil repository, available at http://fossil.instinctive.eu/fossil-scm/timeline?r=markdown Can you please update your fossil binary so that:

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-08-03 Thread Natacha Porté
Hello, on Friday 03 August 2012 at 19:11, Stephan Beal wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Natacha Porté nata...@instinctive.euwrote: Currently the code is in a new branch off a clone of the official fossil repository, available at

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-07-31 Thread Stephan Beal
n Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Bill Burdick bill.burd...@gmail.comwrote: Looks like it's using wiki pages, to me, just not stored in the Fossil wiki -- at least, that what the Editor button tells me... :) They are actually stored in fossil, but not in the same repo as the sources. i don't

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-07-31 Thread Stephan Beal
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Bill Burdick bill.burd...@gmail.comwrote: Very slick front-end, BTW! i appreciate the compliment, but we all know i have no gift for visual design ;). i had a designer at work help me out with the css, so it doesn't look half as bad as it originally did, but it

[fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-07-30 Thread Natacha Porté
Hello, I don't want to look impatient, and I personally hate to be constantly reminded about something that hasn't actually left my mind, so I'm a bit reluctant to send e-mails like this one. All my apologies if I'm doing it wrong. So my point is only to remind you all that I'm still committed

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-07-30 Thread Stephan Beal
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Natacha Porté nata...@instinctive.euwrote: What remains to do: + review my code to ensure it meets fossil level of quality, + format it using fossil code style if needed, + any other code change that comes up during the review. i will be happy to

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-07-30 Thread Bill Burdick
I'd like to see it included, as well! On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.comwrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Natacha Porté nata...@instinctive.euwrote: What remains to do: + review my code to ensure it meets fossil level of quality, + format it

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-07-30 Thread Gautier DI FOLCO
2012/7/30 Bill Burdick bill.burd...@gmail.com I'd like to see it included, as well! I'd like it too, it will be easier for beginnes (like me!). ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-07-30 Thread Rene
On 2012-07-30 10:41, Natacha Porté wrote: Hello, I don't want to look impatient, and I personally hate to be constantly reminded about something that hasn't actually left my mind, so I'm a bit reluctant to send e-mails like this one. All my apologies if I'm doing it wrong. So my point is

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-07-30 Thread Stephan Beal
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Rene renew...@xs4all.nl wrote: Are we going to move all the wikipages to markdown? The main repo doesn't use wiki pages any more - the embedded docs feature is preferred because it's versioned along with the rest of the site. Wikis _are_ versioned but there is

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-07-30 Thread Bill Burdick
Looks like it's using wiki pages, to me, just not stored in the Fossil wiki -- at least, that what the Editor button tells me... :) On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Rene renew...@xs4all.nl wrote: Are we going to move

Re: [fossil-users] The future of markdown-in-fossil

2012-07-30 Thread Bill Burdick
Very slick front-end, BTW! On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Bill Burdick bill.burd...@gmail.comwrote: Looks like it's using wiki pages, to me, just not stored in the Fossil wiki -- at least, that what the Editor button tells me... :) On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Stephan Beal