Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Announcement: New editor engagement experiments team!

2012-03-25 Thread Theo10011
Thanks for this email Birgitte. I greatly enjoyed reading it, it gives insight in not just your own motivation, but mine and several others who I have come to know. I apologize for my following lengthy response as well. This is a well-articulated, reasoned response, that should stand apart from

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Announcement: New editor engagement experiments team!

2012-03-24 Thread Theo10011
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 5:10 AM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 21, 2012, at 10:07 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 21, 2012, at 8:53 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Sue Gardner wrote: Everybody knows that reversing

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Announcement: New editor engagement experiments team!

2012-03-23 Thread Theo10011
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 7:36 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: That sounds like a great idea for projects where the readership and/or editorship is low. On those projects, it is very likely that a reader with even a tiny interest in editing can be converted to a good editor, and

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Announcement: New editor engagement experiments team!

2012-03-21 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 6:35 AM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: This strikes me as a very oddly articulated concern about a crowd-sourcing project. The basic premise underlying the whole model is increasing the quantity of contributors increases the quality of the content. Is this really

Re: [Foundation-l] Draft charter of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-03-18 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: So a group of chapters, reacting against a perceived effort to centralize the movement, create a brand new central body with an extensive (and apparently, expensive) bureaucracy? Are there really a lot of people that think this

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-08 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: If you search for devoirs (= homework) or vacances (= holiday) on French Wikipedia, you're presented with a porn video in which a man and a woman engage in sex acts (cunnilingus and fellatio) with a dog.

Re: [Foundation-l] My public aplogies to Jan-Bart (was Movement roles letter, Feb 2012)

2012-02-16 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: While we're on the topic, here's a public service announcement. It's Bishakha Datta, not Bishaka Datta. The single most-frequently misspelled name on our lists, AFAICT. Also, Erik Moeller or Erik Möller with umlaut.

Re: [Foundation-l] My public aplogies to Jan-Bart (was Movement roles letter, Feb 2012)

2012-02-16 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: If we're discussing this; my name is correctly pronounced Oliver Keyes, God of Delphi, Sol, and all Ethereal Planes Known and As-Yet Undiscovered Olly olly oxen free! (with a silent G) Theo

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: One benefit I can identify from this decision is that we could push forward that * partner organizations are ONLY recognized by

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcement: Building a new Legal and Community Advocacy Department Promotion of Philippe Beaudette

2012-02-09 Thread Theo10011
I believe Liam puts it very close to how I read the announcement. Does this mean Pb is a Chief now? or will that department still be under community/Zack? Also, how does the relation between legal come into this. Is Geoff also in charge of this department or is legal separate from this? And

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcement: Building a new Legal and Community Advocacy Department Promotion of Philippe Beaudette

2012-02-09 Thread Theo10011
I'm all for a shift from the community department, and dividing focus between existing community and things like new editor retention. Zack and the community department, primarily focus on fundraising, with only indirect involvement with the existing community affairs through Philippe, Maggie and

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcement: Building a new Legal and Community Advocacy Department Promotion of Philippe Beaudette

2012-02-09 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: However, the issue of advocacy is not generally agreed upon by the entire community. SOPA blackout was the first and official action of its kind

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcement: Building a new Legal and Community Advocacy Department Promotion of Philippe Beaudette

2012-02-09 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote: Advocacy is a much more general term in this context than people seem to be taking it as. It does not mean lobbying or fighting for something

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: In what way do chapter-selected seats improve the running of the WMF, Thomas? The Board has no say in who is being selected, and there is no basis in fact to say that those appointed by the chapters are any more effective or

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: The appointed members of the Board are chosen for their specific expertise and skill-set. The Board does publicly identify the slots it is trying to fill when looking for appointees, and the qualifications that they require.

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Theo10011
elected members are representative of the entire community, beyond just the individuals that voted. The community elected members aren't called, the community-who-voted board members. Regards Theo (personal opinion, etc) On 1 February 2012 23:17, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 2

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for moderators

2012-01-28 Thread Theo10011
Pb, won't it be better to just create the list first? I assume a single owner won't be elected. Moderators can be elected when and if, there is active participation in the list, no? Regards Theo On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone -

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.orgwrote: You trust GOOGLE's interests to align sufficiently with ours, to the extent that you're willing to cede government affairs to them? Yes. Why won't their interest align on the same side as everyone else ? The

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Mike, I completely understand your point on this and where you are coming from. But you made a conflicting point yourself text omitted But as I

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
the loudest. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Am I wrong to assume, that lobbying involves approaching a registered, professional consulting/lobbying firm

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 22 January 2012 08:30, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa http://www.politico.com/morningtech/0112/morningtech377.html Interesting. Any details?

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
I find this discussion interesting, although after Sue's clarification, it might be moot. But I am going to continue it, until someone asks to take this off-list. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Why do you imagine money spent is the measure of influence? The pro-SOPA forces outspent the tech industry three-to-one and still lost. Citation needed. Plus, If money is the measure of effectiveness, what does this

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Well, that was my point, according to recent rulings, money is speech and corporations are people Really? That's weird. What recent ruling said

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.orgwrote: I think that trying to school Mike Godwin on Citizens United and IP Law is colossally bad idea. But entertaining. I agree completely. I love Mike, why on earth would you think I was trying to school him? I was

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:17 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Well

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:48 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: If you read I said according to recent rulings And as far as I can tell, what you claim those recent rulings said, is not what the recent rulings said

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] proposed tech conference anti-harassment policy

2012-01-21 Thread Theo10011
Actually, what is WMF technical events specifically? It would be helpful to mention what those are. Would this bleed over to Wikimania? That is the largest conference WMF organizes. It is a bit unclear about the scope. It states that it applies to Foundation-organized activities and then

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2012-01-03 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:34 AM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote: This year pictures at top left, blinking banners, etc - are becoming a norm. This is simply untrue hyperbole. The fader was used in the same way

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2012-01-03 Thread Theo10011
Hi Thomas I really dont On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: There were numerous non-Jimmy banners used during the fundraiser because they were tested and proved to work well. The Jimmy banners were used extensively too because they still perform very

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Theo10011
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2011/12/31 geni geni...@gmail.com: We appear to have actual blinking ads. Unfortunate. Still I suppose the occasion should be marked. They are not blinking in a manner that is even remotely obnoxious. And

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Theo10011
on the last couple days because there are two different very effective messages in those days. But we're always looking for a better way, so maybe next year we won't have to do alternating messages at all. Zack On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 4:38 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 31, 2011

Re: [Foundation-l] Is a research banner advertising of the evil sort?

2011-12-09 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps, although I hardly think that was part of the nefarious plan on the part of Harvard and SciPo. They are both among the institutions in the world with the best and most positive name penetration; the connection benefits

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists

2011-11-29 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 08:09, Möller, Carsten c.moel...@wmco.de wrote: No, we need to harden the wall agaist all attacks by hammers, screwdrivers and drills. We have consensus: Wikipedia should not be censored. You

Re: [Foundation-l] Article Feedback Tool office hours - 2nd December, 19:00 UTC

2011-11-29 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey guys! Another AFT session - this one will be in #wikimedia-office on 2 December, at 19:00 UTC. If you're vaguely interested in playing around with prototypes, you should attend - we'll have a lot of cool stuff to

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists

2011-11-28 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:26 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Liam Wyatt wrote: Perhaps we could focus on those practical points - preferably on-wiki - rather than having endless debates about what different people did/didn't mean to say or getting into abstract ideological

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2013 - Request for Bids and Jury nominations

2011-11-23 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede janb...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi All, Disclaimer: this is my personal opinion, and in no way represents any sentiments of the board. That being said In the past years I have seen a lot of people spend a lot of time on different bids

Re: [Foundation-l] MENA Education Program?

2011-11-16 Thread Theo10011
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Katie, Just to build on Moushira's response to tackle your questions a bit further. On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:26 AM, aude

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-14 Thread Theo10011
I was not going to comment on this thread again. I am kind of annoyed by what you are painting me as, but I'll try and remain objective. First, what mail are you disagreeing with? The last mail I sent on this thread is 3 days old, the last topic was Achal. I didn't talk about Hisham directly on

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-11 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:40 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: From personal experience with WCI 2011, we have benefited by having both the Chapter and the Foundation in the country. Kind Regards, Hi In the interest of full-disclosure first, please have a look here.[1] Both the

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-11 Thread Theo10011
I meant to ask earlier, since the fundraiser already started and this is being announced now. Is this trust set-up to participate in the annual fundraiser? processing donations on-behalf of WMF internally? or would it seek to do so in future? I know you mention FCRA and external funding after

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-11 Thread Theo10011
Ohai Achal As usual, I disagree. I am a bit more informed of the current situation than most people, maybe not as much as the current WMF advisory board member but who knows. My opinion on this is from a regular community member before much of the community in other cities was active. I am not

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-11 Thread Theo10011
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.orgwrote: More directly to your questions...the Trust is an independent org, so technically it cannot serve as an internal processor for WMF. I meant internal as in within the country, as opposed to external, when Hisham's

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-11 Thread Theo10011
welcome to bring any of this up on Internal-l however, I would be happy to go into much more detail for your elucidation. On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Theo On 11 November 2011 14:10, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Ohai Achal As usual, I

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-11 Thread Theo10011
AM, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Theo, I find your tone needlessly rude - do you really think this is the best way to communicate? It makes it very difficult to have a useful conversation. Best wishes, Achal On 11 November 2011 18:07, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Foundation-l] New IRC Group Contact

2011-11-01 Thread Theo10011
2011/11/2 Mateus Nobre mateus.no...@live.co.uk a new IRC group? like #wikimedia-something ? what's the theme of the group and its name? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Group_Contacts Theo ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours

2011-11-01 Thread Theo10011
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey guys Brandon, Howie, Fabrice and I will be holding a second Office Hours session on the new Article Feedback Tool on Thursday 3 November. This will be at 24:00 UTC, which works out at 4pm PST and 11pm GMT. This

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

2011-10-30 Thread Theo10011
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.comwrote: You seem to be missing my point - that the WL tool serves an ulterior function of allowing users who do not understand markup to communicate and request help in a way they can understand. I *am* saying that most of

Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random

2011-10-20 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Andreas K. jayen...@gmail.com wrote: The more we adhere to professional standards, the more professionals we will be able to attract. You may view abandoning the standards of the male teenage/early twenties age group as bending the encyclopedia out of shape;

Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random

2011-10-20 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Andreas K. jayen...@gmail.com wrote: I never assumed that, and it is not consistent with basic Wikipedia policies that have existed for almost as long as Wikipedia has existed. Wikipedia is based on professionally published sources. They are privileged as

Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random

2011-10-20 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Andreas K. jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds good. I was going by last year's United Nations University survey, http://www.wikipediasurvey.org/docs/Wikipedia_Overview_15March2010-FINAL.pdf which is older, but had a much larger sample size (176,000 vs. 5,300,

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Scholarships to attend WikiConference India 2011 in Mumbai, India

2011-10-19 Thread Theo10011
Forwarding on behalf of the Organizers. Theo --- Hiya, We are please to announce that

Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random

2011-10-19 Thread Theo10011
I might be from one of the most restrictive cultures, ethnicity and background than most people on this list. I assumed, it was people from my part of the world, that the board and WMF was trying to be considerate of. In all of this, I can't help but wonder where would it stop, there are probably

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-16 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 12:57 AM, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: On 16/10/2011 19:36, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: Am 16.10.2011 16:17, schrieb ???: On 16/10/2011 14:50, David Gerard wrote: On 16 October 2011 14:40, ???wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.ukwrote: Don't be an arsehole you

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-09 Thread Theo10011
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote: Hello Tobias, the text of the May resolution to this question is ... and that the feature be visible, clear and usable on all Wikimedia projects for both logged-in and logged-out readers, and on the current board meeting we

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-05 Thread Theo10011
I am sure other people can fill in, but I heard there has been some movement within the parliament in reaction. They are reconsidering a portion of that law that might affect us, or so I have been told. http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/news.php?newsid=157111 Can someone clarify? Regards Theo On

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-05 Thread Theo10011
Possibly relevant update: http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/news.php?newsid=157111 (might need translation) Theo On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote: On 5 October 2011 16:07, onthebrinkandfall...@aol.com wrote: -Original Message- From:

[Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Theo10011
Hi There seems to be a situation developing at Italian Wikipedia related to a local law that would infringe neutrality on Wikipedia. The discussions even mention a possible blackout/lockdown in reaction. Is anyone aware of this situation? Is it likely to have any effect on other projects and

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Giovanni (or Donaldo?), Has anyone at it.wp been in touch with Foundation staff? Locking a major wiki seems like a pretty big step, perhaps they could provide some advice or resources? Am I correct in understanding this

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Theo10011
For those not following, Italian Wikipedia went into lockdown a while ago. All content and pages direct to the notice. http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Comunicato_4_ottobre_2011 Regards Theo On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:02 AM, Mathias Schindler mathias.schind...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue,

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Theo10011
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: For those not following, Italian Wikipedia went into lockdown a while ago. All content and pages direct to the notice. http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Theo10011
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote: This is going to be a PR nightmare :-s Tom Morton On 4 Oct 2011, at 20:58, Aaron Adrignola aaron.adrign...@gmail.com wrote: Whoever has locked out access to it.wikipedia.org should be immediately

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-10-02 Thread Theo10011
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 18:24, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Bishakha, call it editorial-content, call it censorship or any other euphemism - at the heart of it, it is deciding what someone gets to see and what

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Theo10011
Hi Sarah On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: As a member of one feminist organization, I understand dominant position among feminists toward pornography. It's generally

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 16:24, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Milos, I believe this is exactly the kind of post that Sue was talking

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday 30 September 2011 10:54 PM, Theo10011 wrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Bishakha Dattabishakhada...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday 30 September 2011 11:19 PM, Theo10011 wrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Achal Prabhalaaprabh...@gmail.com wrote: How about an encyclopedia? Anywhere? Are you suggesting a rating system

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: On 30 September 2011 18:24, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Bishakha, call it editorial-content, call it censorship or any other euphemism - at the heart of it, it is deciding what someone gets to see

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Theo10011
Hiya Bishakha On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Bishakha, call it editorial-content, call it censorship or any other euphemism - at the heart of it, it is deciding what someone

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-14 Thread Theo10011
Hi Milos On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 16:17, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: My main point (although I *did* make it clear), was that volunteer-work is what this movement is built on. Tell me a single content project

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-14 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.com wrote: I've been following the Wikinews discussion, and I've been hesitant to comment only because I know so little about it. The little I know tells me that it could be something great, and perhaps the reason it's not

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-14 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 15 September 2011 01:43 AM, David Gerard wrote: On 14 September 2011 21:02, Achal Prabhalaaprabh...@gmail.com wrote: It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that the world now follows the Wikinews

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-14 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 14:28, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt that would be enough to satisfy the no original research requirement. The idea linking back to a Wikimedia project as a source is not a new one

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-13 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.orgwrote: Am 13. September 2011 13:34 schrieb Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com: snip The biggest strength that a Wikinews like project can always have, is the most diverse contributor base anywhere. We have contributors from so

Re: [Foundation-l] editor survey report

2011-09-09 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Mani, A question: when you say that ***Wikimedia chapters got the least favorable ratings (6.15) ... In addition, knowledge and involvement with chapters is low. 46% of respondents said that they didn’t know if there was

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal image filter: leave it to third parties

2011-09-09 Thread Theo10011
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 5:28 AM, Phil Nash phn...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: MZMcBride wrote: If someone wants to make Conservative Wikipedia or Kid-Friendly Wikipedia or Tiananmen Square-Free Wikipedia, they're free to. They can even sell it. Contributors made that deal long ago with the

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Theo10011
Wow. looks really interesting Pharos. It seems they incorporated a lot of the project philosophy in the re-branding. Also, I don't know if the UI they have on the Macbook is part of it or not, but it all looks great. Theo On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use for Review

2011-09-08 Thread Theo10011
Thanks Geoff. One point that I would like some clarification on- - Harassment, threats, stalking, vandalism, and other long-term issues: The proposed agreement would make clear that such acts are prohibited. Novel for us, the agreement also raises the possibility of a global ban for

Re: [Foundation-l] The systematic and codified bias against non-Western articles on Wikinews

2011-09-07 Thread Theo10011
With all due respect, this sounds almost delusional. The fact is, it is the restrictive control being exercised at Wikinews to fulfill some internal quality standards that is choking the idea behind the project. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:03 PM, pi zero wn.pi.z...@gmail.com wrote: Having only a

Re: [Foundation-l] The systematic and codified bias against non-Western articles on Wikinews

2011-09-06 Thread Theo10011
English Wikinews has been broken for a while. The entire system is predicated on the judgement of reviewers, and a handful of rather rude admins. I saw some rather aggressive posture and a pretty threatening demeanor employed towards others when I tried contributing early last year. I once tried

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

2011-09-02 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Jimmy Wales jwa...@wikia-inc.com wrote: On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are controlled by Brazilians. At the

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-28 Thread Theo10011
Hi Risker I would like to ask your opinion on WMF's stewardship of the money. The Foundation has fulfilled its legal obligation as a non-profit but as a community member from english wikipedia, do you feel it has been accountable to you or spent it on worthwhile activities for the community? the

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-28 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Risker I would like to ask your opinion on WMF's stewardship of the money. The Foundation has fulfilled its legal obligation as a non-profit

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-28 Thread Theo10011
Hi Mike I was merely pointing out from what I have seen from some of the other EU chapters. I know as Non-profits they are obligated to comply with local restrictions, whether those restriction are lax or stringent in comparison is a matter of opinion but they do exist, is my point. I believe the

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-28 Thread Theo10011
In line replies to Nathan. On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:59 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Several points in reply to Theo: 1) You don't need to argue the value of having chapters around the world. No one debating that. It's accepted that effective global outreach requires effective local

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-28 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 5:24 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mike I was merely pointing out from what I have seen from some of the other EU chapters. I know as Non-profits they are obligated to comply with local

[Foundation-l] Image file referendum Banners

2011-08-16 Thread Theo10011
Hi The Image file referendum banners are currently running at 100% globally[1], on all projects (correct me if I'm wrong). It seems rather excessive considering the banner's size and the subject. I have no idea, if this issue really needs such an exposure. The scheduled service outage notice a

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement Roles: my suggestion of Language Contact Persons

2011-08-14 Thread Theo10011
Hi Ziko I am not sure if I see the point here. There are 2 issues getting conflated here, one is representation of languages between national chapters which I believe, is a much bigger issue. The second issue, where these Language contact persons serve WMF and the movement in talking about local

Re: [Foundation-l] Like button

2011-08-10 Thread Theo10011
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ruwrote: Hmm, it'd be a neat extension for Commons. I don't think like or +1 should be used, as they're not sufficiently wiki. But something that expresses the same sentiment, that allows users to express approval of good

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

2011-08-05 Thread Theo10011
Nathan, there is no reason to single out Beria. She at least responded to the questions. There are a lot of people reading this who didn't and have far more authority to comment on the matter than her. Theo On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Beria, I don't think

Re: [Foundation-l] Projects in simple languages

2011-06-20 Thread Theo10011
The last request was a 2 line proposal added by an anon ip[1] in passing, their only edit. I wouldn't call that a community. Theo [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Simple_German_4action=historysubmitdiff=2519024oldid=2087184 On Tue, Jun 21,

Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

2011-06-17 Thread Theo10011
Results are out. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en Theo On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Harel Cain harel.c...@gmail.com wrote: I only want to rephrase what I said back at the beginning of the thread: it's perfectly understandable if things run late (huh,

Re: [Foundation-l] Scheduled intermittent downtime on all Wikimedia projects on May 24

2011-05-26 Thread Theo10011
There was, it ran for a day. ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralNotice)- Generic maintenance notice. Theo On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm pretty sure there was a site notice; I recall seeing one anyway :) Tom On 26 May

Re: [Foundation-l] Scheduled intermittent downtime on all Wikimedia projects on May 24

2011-05-25 Thread Theo10011
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.comwrote: Hi! That's... completely missing the point. Yes the specific errors faced were unexpected or unforseen, BUT they were a* direct result* of the maintenance between 13:00 and 14:00. I am simply passing on the

Re: [Foundation-l] Scheduled intermittent downtime on all Wikimedia projects on May 24

2011-05-25 Thread Theo10011
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:31 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Theo10011 wrote: Instead of diverting users to IRC, how about an outage/error page with a twitter/identi.ca feed with updates from the tech team, or at least a page with customized message in case of previously planned

Re: [Foundation-l] CentralNotice use

2011-05-19 Thread Theo10011
I asked Mono to announce POTY centralnotice use on Foundation-l after he made a request on Meta. The only consensus to MZ's RfC on Meta [1] was that Global banners could be used for Non-fundraising reasons after consensus is achieved for the proposal and the banner itself on Meta first.

Re: [Foundation-l] CentralNotice use

2011-05-19 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:11 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Theo10011 wrote: Currently, there are no clear guidelines on the community's use of central-notice - multiple geo-located, chapter-requested campaigns have been running on central-notice without objection. Global

Re: [Foundation-l] Outdated manual

2011-04-10 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 3:50 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Sue Gardner wrote: On 9 April 2011 01:14, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: May someone update manual in which it is written that Wikipedia is the fifth site by traffic? For the most of 2010 and whole 2011 it has

Re: [Foundation-l] Outdated manual

2011-04-10 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 4:38 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Theo10011 wrote: I don't think Sue said Wikipedia is the fifth most visited website. Its 'Wikimedia Foundation sites' in comScore data. I don't think you did your homework. From http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Message to community about community decline

2011-03-29 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, 2011/3/29 wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk: On 28/03/2011 18:35, Nathan wrote: The bar for contributing is higher. Whether because editing is more technically challenging, or because the rules and standards are

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