Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread Peter Gervai
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 04:26, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: I think you're misconstruing who is doing what here. The Foundation is not the person required to send the counter notice, nor do they have the freedom or the obligation to involve themselves in a copyright dispute

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread Chad
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 04:26, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: I think you're misconstruing who is doing what here. The Foundation is not the person required to send the counter notice, nor do they have the

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 March 2010 10:38, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: By looking on the other sites that seem to be posting it. I don't see how posting their signing keys helps anyone trying to learn about the company. This sounds like a new case of we want to post it because they don't want it posted

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Techman224 techman...@techman224.com wrote: It has come to my attention that the Wikimedia Foundation through its Office actions policy removed and oversighted the signing keys for Texas Instruments calculators under a DMCA takedown notice on October 7, 2009.

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 March 2010 12:28, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipedia is not a dumping ground for your copyfight.  There is plenty of reason to exclude this material regardless of the copyright/legal concerns,  and plenty of other people hosting it elsewhere.  Doubly true where the

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:49 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 March 2010 12:28, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipedia is not a dumping ground for your copyfight.  There is plenty of reason to exclude this material regardless of the copyright/legal concerns,  and

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread Techman224
It depends on how the keys were posted and displayed on the wiki page, however we can't see the revisions with the keys because of the oversights, to see how they were posted and where, so we are in the dark there. On 2010-03-03, at 4:38 AM, Chad wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Peter

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Doesn't matter how they were posted. If they were, and there is a valid notice, the action is to expeditiously remove them, notify the poster and let the poster decide if they want to counter-notice and contest it. All the second guessing in the world is irrelevant to a fight between two

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread Techman224
Unfortunately, the WMF got involved the moment when they removed the keys, also the DMCA notice (or any other notice) is given to the person or organization that runs the website. It is not given to the user who posted the content as they can't remove content after it has been published. Since

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread Peter Coombe
On 3 March 2010 13:26, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:49 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 March 2010 12:28, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipedia is not a dumping ground for your copyfight.  There is plenty of reason to exclude

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread Aaron Adrignola
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.comwrote: On 3 March 2010 13:26, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:49 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 March 2010 12:28, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread Dan Rosenthal
No, actually it's not. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act#Take_down_and_Put_Back_provisions and then figure out why this is not WMF's place to get involved other than availing itself of the safe harbor protections. Hint: check step 6.

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion about proposal for multilingual Wikibooks

2010-03-03 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: According to the Language proposal policy, Language committee may approve just a project which intends to be written in one language. True, the language sub committee is asked to attend to details about specific languages;

Re: [Foundation-l] Building up the reserves

2010-03-03 Thread Andrew Gray
On 3 March 2010 13:35, effe iets anders effeietsand...@gmail.com wrote: I assume you do realize that this 12.5M is /after/ the fundraiser, hence including the huge amount of donations that has been raised? ...as, indeed, was last December's glut. Looking at both mid-year and end-year reports,

Re: [Foundation-l] Building up the reserves

2010-03-03 Thread Veronique Kessler
Hi, The question of what is the right reserve amount is a common one. I've hear of ranges from 0 to 3 months to 3 years. I agree that one year is a good measure and that could be increased or decreased depending on a variety of circumstances both internal and external. Many non-profits

Re: [Foundation-l] Building up the reserves

2010-03-03 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
Veronique, what would be the maximum we'd want to go with a reserve fund. I know that with Army Emergency Relief for example, they get dinged by Charity Navigator for having massive reserves of money. What do you think the maximum would be for Wikimedia?

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread wjhonson
But Dan your reply allows any illegitimate claim of copyright infringement to be acted upon as an office action. It's possible that we could say that the office cannot know whether a claim is legitimate or not, but if the office is informed through a reliable source that a claim is

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Gregory Maxwell wrote: The WMF should absolutely duke it out to protect material that ought to be in Wikipedia in accordance with the educational mission and community editorial guidelines. It ought not engage in fights outside of those areas for every instance of possibly suppressed

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-03 Thread Erik Moeller
2010/3/1 Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com: I think it would be great if someone on the project could put the initial tone aside, turn the other cheek, and let everyone interested (and I know there are several) know what's going on. Hi Austin et al., William has already posted extensively on this