Hey,
On 11/30/07, Philip Van Hoof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> The questions:
>
> o. Given that the Foundation of GNOME has plenty of money, will you if
>elected vote to spend this money on important projects?
>
>Being mostly interested in mobile targets and GNOME Mobile, I c
On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 18:03 -0500, Joe Shaw wrote:
>
> Again, I think this is a strawman argument. There's no evidence to
> suggest that Microsoft would attack Mono any more than they would
> attack other free and open source software like GNOME, the Linux
> kernel, OpenOffice, Samba, Apache, Pyt
On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 17:32 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
>
> The reason this is not so is that Microsoft is trying to spin the
> apparent "support" of GNOME into proof that OOXML is not bad for
> free software.
Such a risk is always there. People who base their information on what
one side of
2007/11/30, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> The more "cool stuff" depends on Mono, the closer we get to a
> situation where a Microsoft attack on Mono would put GNOME in a vice.
>
> If these programs are important enough to deserve the term "miss out on",
> then I think they should be writt
Quick reply to say that I pretty much agree with Joe. There are areas
that it's very clear to anyone that our code infringing MS patents. And
none of that is hidden to anyone. Lemme give a very central and
specific example:
- GNOME requires at least one of Microsoft Uniscribe, Apple ATSUI, o
Le jeudi 29 novembre 2007, à 18:03 -0500, Joe Shaw a écrit :
> It's been frustrating over the past few years that GNOME hasn't taken
> a firm position on the issue. I have personally felt very in limbo
> because my application is in C#, and it would make me much more
> comfortable if the community
On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 10:28 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> 1. Would you change anything in the GNOME Foundation statement about
> OOXML?
No. ("send it out sooner" is not a valid answer.)
> 2. How do you think the GNOME Foundation should support the Free
> Software Movement in general?
By pro
Hi there,
The questions:
o. Given that the Foundation of GNOME has plenty of money, will you if
elected vote to spend this money on important projects?
Being mostly interested in mobile targets and GNOME Mobile, I could
certainly come up with some projects that might both increase
de
Le jeudi 29 novembre 2007, à 14:51 -0500, John (J5) Palmieri a écrit :
> I would also like to ease your mind and say the Release Team would take
> great exception to a core GNOME module all of a sudden sprouting hard
> dependencies. Some modules are more scrutinized than other, Yelp would
> be one
Hi,
On 11/29/07, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I agree this isn't really something that the foundation can force, but
> > even "asking politely" in an official capacity would be a step in the
> > right direction.
>
> The Foundation asking politely of developers with regards to their ch
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 10:17 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
> > I suspect there hasn't been anything firm because (a) there is quite a bit
> > of division within the community on the issue and (b) there is some
> > element of "walking on eggshells" around Novell and its endorsement of the
> > environm
> On Nov 29, 2007 5:40 PM, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > If these programs are important enough to deserve the term "miss out
> > > on", then I think they should be written in another language.
Note that the above quote is misattributed, and was stated by Richard, not
me.
- Jeff
> It's been frustrating over the past few years that GNOME hasn't taken a
> firm position on the issue.
Agree.
> I suspect there hasn't been anything firm because (a) there is quite a bit
> of division within the community on the issue and (b) there is some
> element of "walking on eggshells" a
On Nov 29, 2007 5:40 PM, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If these programs are important enough to deserve the term "miss out on",
> > then I think they should be written in another language.
I, for one thing and completely unrelated to Microsoft, would much
rather see our developers foc
Hi,
On 11/29/07, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > The more "cool stuff" depends on Mono, the closer we get to a situation
> > where a Microsoft attack on Mono would put GNOME in a vice.
> >
> > If these programs are important enough to deserve the term "miss out on",
> > then I think
> The reason this is not so is that Microsoft is trying to spin the apparent
> "support" of GNOME into proof that OOXML is not bad for free software.
Microsoft haven't done so publicly thus far, but the risk is there, and we
will endeavour to make it absolutely clear that our participation does
> The more "cool stuff" depends on Mono, the closer we get to a situation
> where a Microsoft attack on Mono would put GNOME in a vice.
>
> If these programs are important enough to deserve the term "miss out on",
> then I think they should be written in another language.
That is a decision lef
So although there will be a few people up in arms if I describe this as a
"storm in a teacup", what do they seriously think we have to gain by making
*political* statements about ODF or OOXML when it's not massively relevant
to the GNOME community in the first place? If the GNOME Fo
There are some components in GNOME that optionally integrate with Mono-based
tools, particularly Beagle. Yelp can depends on 'libbeagle' which provides
an interface to Beagle for C-based applications, but itself does not depend
on Mono at all.
That is a relief. However, this state
What funding? No one is paying Jody to do what he does on OOXML;
again, he is a volunteer, doing things voluntarily. If someone were to
volunteer for ODF, the board would facilitate it. But the board isn't
going to pay anyone to work on either standard.
We have analogous situations
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 20:03 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> I read http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/05/gnome-mono-yelp/ with
> great concern.
>
> Since I am not an expert, I cannot tell on my own if that description
> of the situation is accurate. If part of it is not accurate, I hope
> someone
Hi,
On 11/29/07, Diego Escalante Urrelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I once hurt my finger installing beagle, but that was because of
> excesive computer use. The installation just triggered my problem.
That's fixed in the new version.
Thanks,
Joe
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On 11/29/07, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 29, 2007 3:13 PM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Nov 29, 2007 8:31 AM, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Nov 29, 2007 1:33 PM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I'll second this. T
On Nov 29, 2007 11:44 AM, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No. The boycottnovell site and the OP alluded to that there would be
> moral, philosophical and or legal problems with GNOME depending on
> Mono and or C#. Is that fact or is it fiction?
I think Richard made it clear he does no
On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 18:44 +0100, BJörn Lindqvist wrote:
> On Nov 29, 2007 3:13 PM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Nov 29, 2007 8:31 AM, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Nov 29, 2007 1:33 PM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I'll second this.
Hi,
On 11/29/07, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No. The boycottnovell site and the OP alluded to that there would be
> moral, philosophical and or legal problems with GNOME depending on
> Mono and or C#. Is that fact or is it fiction?
Moral or philosophical is hard to judge, since s
On Nov 29, 2007 12:44 PM, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 29, 2007 3:13 PM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Nov 29, 2007 8:31 AM, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Nov 29, 2007 1:33 PM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I'll s
On Nov 29, 2007 3:13 PM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Nov 29, 2007 8:31 AM, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Nov 29, 2007 1:33 PM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'll second this. The fact:fiction ratio of boycottnovell is just
> > > incredibly, inc
On Nov 29, 2007 10:37 AM, Jonathan Blandford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 15:54 +0100, Dave Neary wrote:
> > Luis Villa wrote:
> > > Jeff has ably debunked this particular fiction already in the thread,
> > > and more generally ably debunked the FUD that Novell somehow contr
On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 15:54 +0100, Dave Neary wrote:
> Luis Villa wrote:
> > Jeff has ably debunked this particular fiction already in the thread,
> > and more generally ably debunked the FUD that Novell somehow controls
> > the Foundation. As to the rest, I have better things to do with my
> > li
Luis Villa wrote:
> Jeff has ably debunked this particular fiction already in the thread,
> and more generally ably debunked the FUD that Novell somehow controls
> the Foundation. As to the rest, I have better things to do with my
> life than to debunk the rest of boycottnovell post-by-post.
Now w
On Nov 29, 2007 8:31 AM, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Nov 29, 2007 1:33 PM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Nov 29, 2007 5:59 AM, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think you're way too harsh on people who actually concluded things
> > >
> About the hiring, it really depends. At first sight, I would prefer to
> hire an executive director because it would have more impact on GNOME
> Foundation actions (marketing, business partnerships, conferences,
> etc). However, if we can't find a really good person for the position,
> I would p
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 20:03 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> I read http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/05/gnome-mono-yelp/ with
> great concern.
>
> Since I am not an expert, I cannot tell on my own if that description
> of the situation is accurate. If part of it is not accurate, I hope
> someone
On Nov 29, 2007 1:33 PM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 29, 2007 5:59 AM, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I think you're way too harsh on people who actually concluded things like:
> >
> > Sorry, but the negativity of that site greatly outweighs the positive. It
On Nov 29, 2007 5:59 AM, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > I think you're way too harsh on people who actually concluded things like:
>
> Sorry, but the negativity of that site greatly outweighs the positive. It
> takes more than a little sucking up to earn back my respect after the cr
> > libbeagle does not depend on Mono. Perhaps, if the Fedora RPM of
> > libbeagle actually depends on Mono, it needs to be fixed.
> It doesn't.
I am Jack's abject lack of surprise. :-)
- Jeff
--
linux.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australiahttp://lca2008.linux.org.au/
"Love never
Hi,
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> People are very freaked out and nerves on a real fringe, so it's very
> easy to trigger alarm. We have Novell, as a huge puppet from Microsoft's
> manouvers to divide the Free Software community, to "thank" for so much
> friction.
This kind of comment, repeat
On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 22:00 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
>
> > > Yelp has had an optional Beagle dependency for at least 2 years. It's
> > > optional, and it's not news.
> >
> > We need a new RPM in some distributions, as optional dependencies are not
> > part of current RPM in Fedora, for instan
> > Yelp has had an optional Beagle dependency for at least 2 years. It's
> > optional, and it's not news.
>
> We need a new RPM in some distributions, as optional dependencies are not
> part of current RPM in Fedora, for instance :)
libbeagle does not depend on Mono. Perhaps, if the Fedora RPM
> I think you're way too harsh on people who actually concluded things like:
Sorry, but the negativity of that site greatly outweighs the positive. It
takes more than a little sucking up to earn back my respect after the crap
they've been spewing.
- Jeff
--
linux.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Aust
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 05:40:47AM -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 08:25:30AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:09:31PM -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote:
> > > If you (or anyone else) is interested talk to the board. That
> > > is all it
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 01:15:34AM +, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 20:03 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > I read http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/05/gnome-mono-yelp/ with
> > great concern.
>
>
> Yelp has had an optional Beagle dependency for at least 2 years. It's
> option
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 12:22:23PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
>
> > I read http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/05/gnome-mono-yelp/ with great
> > concern.
>
> Unfortunately, the authors of that website are obstinate in their
> indifference to the truth, and do not serve the interests of the Free
>
On Nov 29, 2007 11:48 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 08:03:38PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > I read http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/05/gnome-mono-yelp/ with
> > great concern.
>
> (...)
>
> > However, making GNOME depend on Mono is running a
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 08:03:38PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> I read http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/05/gnome-mono-yelp/ with
> great concern.
(...)
> However, making GNOME depend on Mono is running a grave risk, and a
> grave mistake. If the article accurately describes the situation, I
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 08:25:30AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:09:31PM -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote:
> > If you (or anyone else) is interested talk to the board. That
> > is all it takes. I'd love to do it, but the weekly meetings are
> > too much
Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 23:34 +0800, Emily chen wrote:
>
>> A LOGO FOR GNOME ASIA SUMMIT
>>
>> All ideas and propositions are welcome. We suggest the following basic
>> principles :
>>
>> * Asia specific feature
>> * the logo related to GNOME or gnome
>>
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:09:31PM -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 12:15:11AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 06:23:57PM -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote:
> > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:34:54PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > > >
> > >
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 07:37:27PM -0500, Luis Villa wrote:
> On Nov 28, 2007 7:15 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I don't see how the foundation can 'make sure' of anything in this
> > > instance. It can not force developers towards or away from either
> > > spec. Th
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