Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub

2018-06-08 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2018-06-06 10:25, Marco van de Voort wrote:
> Actually Microsoft is quite a large cloud provider,

As the saying goes

   "There is NO cloud - only somebody else's computer."


My personal opinion:
  Why must I store my data and my applications on somebody else's
  computer - often regulated by different laws to where I live.
  No thanks! I'll keep control of my own data and applications.

Others surely have their own thoughts on that. Do with your data and
apps as you will - so will I.


Just a thought.


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Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub

2018-06-08 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2018-06-07 09:01, el es wrote:
> If you have time to manage your own hosting server* AND do the programming 
> work
> AND have life/hobbies/family outside of work... wow... for others in many 
> cases 
> it's more like 'choose any 2' choice.

Like I said, I already have a public facing server in place. Adding
public read-only git repos to the mix is two simple steps:

1. Run 'git daemon' to give users read-only access via the git://
protocol, which by the way is the simplest option and way faster that
via the http:// protocol. It's a single command line to make multiple
repos available.

   https://git-scm.com/book/en/v1/Git-on-the-Server-Git-Daemon

2. Open port 9418 on your firewall.

Job done.

Like I said, there is NO need for other services, tools, user access and
all that fuss.

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Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub

2018-06-08 Thread el es
On 05/06/18 22:15, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
> On 2018-06-05 20:45, Michalis Kamburelis wrote:
>> Or you can move to GitLab, which offers similar features in many ways.
> 
> Why. Git is a distributed version control system. I really don't need a
> 3rd party hosting provider when I can do it on my own public server.
> 
>[...]
> 

I guess 'the point of view depends on where you're sitting' to quote a saying...

If you have time to manage your own hosting server* AND do the programming work
AND have life/hobbies/family outside of work... wow... for others in many cases 
it's more like 'choose any 2' choice.

(* which is maybe sitting 'there' 99.99% of the time, but when something hits 
the
fan, it can eat up your entire day in no time...)

It's like a choice for external web hosting vs in-house servers, for 1 man 
band...
With external hosting, you've got 1 variable less. Or 'a few'.

YMMV of course.

> 
> Regards,
>   Graeme
> 

Cheers,
el es

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Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub

2018-06-06 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Mark Morgan Lloyd said:
> > What a sad day it is. It seems that one day the whole Internet will beowned 
> > and run my four companies: Apple, Google, Microsoft and Facebook.I guess 
> > I'll be doing what the Free Pascal project has done all along...Host my own 
> > repositories and bug tracker. Less sh*t and in full controlor my work.
> > I've had plans to move many of my projects off SourceForge to GitHubbecause 
> > of SourceForge's performance problems and frequent outages. Nowthat plan 
> > will NOT happen and I'll most likely start hosting my ownpublic 
> > repositories instead.
> 
> Another problem with Sourceforge is the fact that they enthusiastically 
> block access to any country that's currently on the US government's 
> *hitlist. I don't know what Github's policy was on that but it's pretty 
> sure what MS's will be... which is absolutely correct in the context of 
> an American corporation, but not in the context of non-American users or 
> paying customers.

Actually Microsoft is quite a large cloud provider, and can afford to
partition its offerings and isn't as dependent on a single point (or
continent) hosting as others.

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Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub

2018-06-05 Thread Ralf Quint

On 6/5/2018 12:19 PM, Marco van de Voort wrote:

In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said:


What a sad day it is. It seems that one day the whole Internet will be
owned and run my four companies: Apple, Google, Microsoft and Facebook.

Well, there is always Amazon and Oracle :-)

Talking about "from fire into the pan"... ;-)

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Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub

2018-06-05 Thread geneb

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:


On 2018-06-05 20:19, Marco van de Voort wrote:

owned and run my four companies: Apple, Google, Microsoft and Facebook.

Well, there is always Amazon and Oracle :-)


Oh God, yes I forgot about those. Amazon is also spreading its tentacles
everywhere and with microphones (smart speakers) planted in every other
home. What is this world coming too? Everybody so eager to loose their
freedom and privacy. Seems Richard Stallman was right all along.

I look at it this way, Microsoft is putting effort into getting behind 
Open Source with their .Net stuff and other things.


Look at how Oracle continues to behave and consider yourself lucky that 
they didn't buy Github.


Frankly I think you're getting yourself worked up over nothing...

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Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub

2018-06-05 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2018-06-05 20:45, Michalis Kamburelis wrote:
> Or you can move to GitLab, which offers similar features in many ways.

Why. Git is a distributed version control system. I really don't need a
3rd party hosting provider when I can do it on my own public server.

https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Distributed-Git-Distributed-Workflows#wfdiag_b

My Git workflow is already like that most of the times and for many of
my projects.



> Personally, I'm "cautiously not panicking" :)

Yeah, just like how M$ f**ked up Skype in more ways than one - and
dropped Linux support for good measure.

No thanks!


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Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub

2018-06-05 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis via fpc-other

Στις 5/6/2018 10:45 μμ, ο Michalis Kamburelis έγραψε:
Graeme Geldenhuys > wrote:


News just in  M$ has bought GitHub.

https://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-takes-over-github-521380.shtml





Or you can move to GitLab, which offers similar features in many ways.



I assume that not many people trust MS  From 
https://m.investing.com/news/technology-news/gitlab-gains-developers-after-microsoft-buys-rival-github-1481198?ampMode=1


"It has been crazy in the last twenty-four hours. We are seeing 
thousands switching, tweeting about it," GitLab Chief Executive Officer 
Sytse Sijbrandij told Reuters on Tuesday.


Sijbrandij said the platform has imported 
https://monitor.gitlab.net/dashboard/db/github-importer?orgId=1=1527598466832=1528203274215 
over a hundred thousand code projects and has seen a seven-fold rise in 
orders since the Microsoft-GitHub deal unfolded.


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Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub

2018-06-05 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2018-06-05 20:19, Marco van de Voort wrote:
>> owned and run my four companies: Apple, Google, Microsoft and Facebook.
> Well, there is always Amazon and Oracle :-)

Oh God, yes I forgot about those. Amazon is also spreading its tentacles
everywhere and with microphones (smart speakers) planted in every other
home. What is this world coming too? Everybody so eager to loose their
freedom and privacy. Seems Richard Stallman was right all along.

Regards,
  Graeme

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Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub

2018-06-05 Thread Michalis Kamburelis
Graeme Geldenhuys  wrote:

> News just in  M$ has bought GitHub.
>
> https://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-takes-over-github-521380.shtml
>
> What a sad day it is. It seems that one day the whole Internet will be
> owned and run my four companies: Apple, Google, Microsoft and Facebook.
> I guess I'll be doing what the Free Pascal project has done all along...
> Host my own repositories and bug tracker. Less sh*t and in full control
> or my work.
>
> I've had plans to move many of my projects off SourceForge to GitHub
> because of SourceForge's performance problems and frequent outages. Now
> that plan will NOT happen and I'll most likely start hosting my own
> public repositories instead.
>

Or you can move to GitLab, which offers similar features in many ways.

A big advantage is also that it's open-source, so instead of creating your
project on gitlab.com, you can host your own GitLab instance. Like Debian
is doing with salsa.debian.org . There are Docker images with ready GitLab
and dependencies, to make it easy.

Personally, I'm "cautiously not panicking" :) I'll continue to use a mix of
GitHub and GitLab (with most public stuff on GitHub). Microsoft today is
doing open-source, working with Linux... It's no longer the aggressive M$
from "Ballmer era" and earlier. Maybe things will be OK (and if not, moving
is easy :) ).

Regards,
Michalis

>

>
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Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub

2018-06-05 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said:

> What a sad day it is. It seems that one day the whole Internet will be
> owned and run my four companies: Apple, Google, Microsoft and Facebook.

Well, there is always Amazon and Oracle :-)
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Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub

2018-06-05 Thread José Mejuto

El 05/06/2018 a las 20:24, Graeme Geldenhuys escribió:


I've had plans to move many of my projects off SourceForge to GitHub


Hello,

Try GitLab...

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