Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-10 Thread Robert Lauriston
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Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-10 Thread Stephen Rickaby
At 12:57 +0100 8/1/19, Johan Anglemark wrote: >Could we please take the religious discussions elsewhere than this list? Apologies - you're right, it's not the right forum for this sort of thing. -- Steve Rickaby BSc MBCS CITP MISTC

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-08 Thread Doug
I concur with Michael, in that the serial comma it is sometimes necessary but regardless, it is never harmful. I use the serial comma by default, unless the 'and' is part of a singular grouping such as "Bath and Wells" or "Marks and Spencer", or some such. Doug On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:47 AM

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-08 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
Sounds like a Watercooler channel discussion on the Write the Docs Slack channel ;>) From: Framers on behalf of Johan Anglemark Sent: January 8, 2019 6:57 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question Could we ple

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-08 Thread Johan Anglemark
rindustries.com Privacy Policy: www.bucheremhartglass.com/privacy -"Framers" wrote: - To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. From: Stephen Rickaby Sent by: "Framers" Date: 01/08/2019 05:10AM Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question At 09:

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-08 Thread Tom Beiswenger
r people using Adobe FrameMaker software. From: Stephen Rickaby Sent by: "Framers" Date: 01/08/2019 05:10AM Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question At 09:33 + 8/1/19, shuttie27 wrote: >Two points:The "Oxford style" is to include the comma, not to omit it. It w

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-08 Thread Stephen Rickaby
At 09:33 + 8/1/19, shuttie27 wrote: >Two points:The "Oxford style" is to include the comma, not to omit it. It was >so named because the Oxford University Press, almost alone among British >publishers, mandated it in their style guide. Secondly, as for its being >essential to avoid

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-08 Thread Michael Lewis
email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question At 20:45 -0500 7/1/19, Doug wrote: >I've always thought two of a tech writer's top values are accuracy, and >avoidance of ambiguity.  The Oxford (or serial) comma is essential for bo

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-08 Thread shuttie27
eMaker software." Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question At 20:45 -0500 7/1/19, Doug wrote: >I've always thought two of a tech writer's top values are accuracy, and >avoidance of ambiguity.  The Oxford (or serial) comma is essential for both >of these. I should have been cleare

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-08 Thread Stephen Rickaby
At 20:45 -0500 7/1/19, Doug wrote: >I've always thought two of a tech writer's top values are accuracy, and >avoidance of ambiguity. The Oxford (or serial) comma is essential for both >of these. I should have been clearer and a bit less grumpy ;-) I follow the Oxford style, which is to omit

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-08 Thread Stephen Rickaby
At 19:18 -0700 7/1/19, wrote: >I knew I would get a flurry of answers from the list, so thanks. I have what >I need to make some substantiated edits. Clearly I don't know the context of the surrounding text, but I think I'd favor some sort of list structure that introduces the information,

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-07 Thread tammyvb
Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 6:46 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question > > > If you must have the 'and' I would removed the Oxford comma as I hate > them, but this is a matter of local style. > > I've

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-07 Thread Doug
> > > If you must have the 'and' I would removed the Oxford comma as I hate > them, but this is a matter of local style. > > I've always thought two of a tech writer's top values are accuracy, and avoidance of ambiguity. The Oxford (or serial) comma is essential for both of these.

[Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-07 Thread Karen Robbins
Hi Tammy, The information* is displayed across five tabs. From left to right, they are Overview, Category, Locus, Sequence, and Details. * labels? titles? topics? (+ "are") My 2¢. Karen Robbins ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-07 Thread Mike Wickham
For comma placement, I'd pick #1, which matches the _Chicago Manual of Style_, but I'd also suggest tightening the sentence and removing passive voice. Result: "The information displays across five tabs: Overview, Category, Locus, Sequence, and Details." I would note that the Chicago style

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-07 Thread Lin Sims
t; To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question > > I would just say: > The information is displayed across five tabs: Overview, Category, Locus, > Sequence, and Details. > > I would assume an English-languag

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-07 Thread Stephen Rickaby
...and 'is displayed' is passive voice, which is usually deprecated. -- Steve ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-07 Thread Stephen Rickaby
As an afterthought, I'm not sure above 'is displayed across' either, but then I don't know your software. It doesn't convey much. Is the user supposed to hunt over the five tabs to find what they want? -- Steve ___ This message is from the Framers

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-07 Thread Stephen Rickaby
John and Tom, yes. Simplest is best, and the three options you list are all massively and unnecessarily verbose. Were I editing it I would deprecate all of them and the punctuation. Who is the target audience? Do they have US or UK English as their first language? From what ethnic culture?

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-07 Thread Tom Beiswenger
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Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-07 Thread tammyvb
: Monday, January 7, 2019 11:45 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question I would just say: The information is displayed across five tabs: Overview, Category, Locus, Sequence, and Details. I would assume an English-language

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-07 Thread John Sgammato
I would just say: The information is displayed across five tabs: Overview, Category, Locus, Sequence, and Details. I would assume an English-language reader would assume left to right. On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 1:34 PM wrote: > Consider the following three sentences: > > > > 1.)The

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-07 Thread tammyvb
nal Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 11:43 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question I've always edited to your option #1. Nonrestrictive clauses are set off by commas.

Re: [Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-07 Thread Carol J. Elkins
I've always edited to your option #1. Nonrestrictive clauses are set off by commas. But my personal choice would be to restructure so that the sentence uses a restrictive clause: 4.) The information is displayed across five tabs that, from left to right, are Overview, Category, Locus,

[Framers] OT: Punctuation question

2019-01-07 Thread tammyvb
Consider the following three sentences: 1.)The information is displayed across five tabs, which, from left to right, are the following: Overview, Category, Locus, Sequence, and Details. 2.)The information is displayed across five tabs, which from left to right, are the following: