date:20080306

RE: PDFFrameMakerPDF Color Issue

2008-03-06 Thread Jacob Schäffer

Framers,

I have now studied the material forwarded by Richard, and the PDF he imports 
into his FrameMaker document is a perfectly well behaved PDF with correctly 
defined spot colors and duotone images.

On Page 14 in Adobe® FrameMaker® 7.2 User Guide Supplement for Windows® and 
UNIX® it's stated:
 
snip

Importing PDF and Illustrator files (UNIX)
--

You can import Adobe PDF files and Illustrator 9 and 10 files into a FrameMaker 
document in release 7.1 or later.

When you import a PDF or Illustrator file into FrameMaker, the file is treated 
as a graphic, and only one page can be imported at a time. You can import it 
either by copy or by reference.

***Both process and spot colors can be displayed and printed***.

/snip

This statement seem to be faulty. At least, on Windows spot colors contained in 
imported PDF documents appear NOT to be retained when output from FrameMaker on 
Windows, and will -- as far as I can see -- effectively output as defined in 
their alternate color space, usually CMYK.

Hence, importing spot colored PDF documents is to no avail with FrameMaker on 
Windows. I haven't tested on other platforms.

Grafikhuset Publi PDF can normally deal with this issue via custom color maps 
and repair such spot colors. However, it can NOT repair duotone images, since 
these are output as composite CMYK, which mean they cannot be repaired at all.

To create a custom color map in Grafikhuset Publi PDF you simply right-click 
the Publi PDF icon in the system tray, select the Attended Queue you want to 
use, and then turn on automatic creation of color maps in the Optimizer section 
of the pop-up menu. This will prompt you with an interface that allow you to 
create new spot colors -- next time you print to the queue.

When the dialog show up do as follows:

(1) Type the spot color name and enter the CMYK values (0-100) in the toolbar.

(2) Click the small button right of the K component field. This this will add 
the spot color to the drop-down list that appear when you click any field in 
the convert to column of the table.

(3) When a spot color is selected the Tint value can be entered in the 
corresponding field in the %T column. Be careful NOT to check the OT field, 
since this will apply Overprint, which you most often do NOT want.

Clicking the Convert to field for each listed Gray, RGB, CMYK or other spot 
color allow you to remap colors exactly as your job require. When finished you 
can save the color map for later use. You may actually attach it to the queue, 
so you don't need to enter new information each time you print (If you attach 
it to the queue you should switch off the automatic color map creation, since 
its OFF state assure that the analysis phase is skipped and conversion is run 
directly without prompting).

Hope this helps.


Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
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 -Oprindelig meddelelse-
 Fra: Jacob Schäffer 
 Sendt: 4. marts 2008 17:46
 Til: 'Richard Doll'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dov Isaacs
 Emne: RE: PDFFrameMakerPDF Color Issue
 
 
 Hi Richard,
 
 I'd like to see:
 
 (1) the PDF you try to deal with in FrameMaker
 
 (2) a simple FrameMaker document that imports the PDF
 
 (3) The physical output PDF document you have
 
 (4) a precise description of what you expect to have as output
 
 Please send it off-list to me as a ZIP archive.
 
 I'll then study what goes on and report it here.
 
 All the best
 Jacob
 
 
  -Oprindelig meddelelse-
  Fra: Richard Doll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sendt: 4. marts 2008 17:08
  Til: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dov Isaacs; Jacob Schäffer
  Emne: PDFFrameMakerPDF Color Issue
  
  
  Why is the color within .pdf files containing .eps
  objects totally 
  ravaged by the Windows RGB GDI upon ImportFile.
  Upon Print for output, black and grayscale images yield 
  some % of yellow 
  and Pantone SPOT is no longer accurately definable by any 
  pre-press software 
  PDF to printing-plate system.
  
  Adobe does own the copyrights to all the applications
  involved with this 
  issue.
  Can you divine a wholly complete solution within FrameMaker 
  other than Tech 
  Note ID 324220 
  http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=324220
   which in a 
  name is a kluge
  
  What could induce the creators of the software that provides
  us livelihood 
  and compensation, to have this seemingly small issue 
  resolved? So . . . it isn't a small issue . . .  Adobe isn't 
  a small corporation 
  either.
  Adobe has denied access to CMYK GDI OS hardware/applications 
  while denying 
  RGB GDI OS hardware/applications to correctly interpret color 
  for printing.
  
  My customers are depending on color to help market their
  products. What path do you suggest that I take

Re: Is there a way to paste text as default?

2008-03-06 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

I did not even know of the personal maker.ini, but it is there sure
enough. HOWEVER, I would not recommend putting these things in there,
the reason being:
1. ~\Documents and Settings\ ~~~ da da da \maker.ini showed with
today's stamp, implying that it is regenerated each time you boot.
2. The personal maker.ini file only shows portions of the main file
and seems to handle locations of folders and such.
3. Everyone has recommended doing the changes on the main maker.ini.

QUESTION: Did you remember to restart (close and start again)
FrameMaker after doing the changes? The maker.ini changes will not
affect the already running FM, as this is only a file it reads at
startup.

HTH,

Bodvar

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Inbar, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Will,

  I don't know how things are setup on your system, but on my system the
  other maker.ini is located here:

  C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application
  Data\Adobe\FrameMaker\7.2

  Good luck,
  Paul


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  Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:05 AM
  To: Reng, Dr. Winfried
  Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Re: Is there a way to paste text as default?

  Here's the mystery -
  Running 7.2 on XP, sp2. I only have the one maker.ini (the one in the
  Program Files folder). I did a search through the entire C drive for
  the second one.  Nothing shows up. Of course, when I move the TEXT
  option to the head of the list in the Program Files file, it doesn't
  change how the paste function works.  Any hints where my other
  maker.ini might be lurking??

  will white

  On Mar 5, 2008, at 4:14 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:

   Hi Marta,
  
   In the maker.ini file change the order of formats
   for ClipboardFormatsPriorities, so that TEXT comes
   first. Newer FM versions have 2 maker.ini files,
   one in the Program Files folder and one in your
   personal folder.
  
   This change in the maker.ini file works only for text
   which you copied in another application. If you want
   to paste FM text, you should use additional utilities
   which strip the formatting info.
  
   Best regards
  
   Winfried
  
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   To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
   Subject: Is there a way to paste text as default?
  
Is there a way to set the default paste option in FrameMaker
to Text  (so that I don't have to use Paste Special  Text) ?
  
   Thanks
   Marta Berman
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RE: Is there a way to paste text as default?

2008-03-06 Thread Fred Ridder


In responding about the personal copy of maker.ini Bodvar wrote (in part):
 
 1. ~\Documents and Settings\ ~~~ da da da \maker.ini showed with
 today's stamp, implying that it is regenerated each time you boot.
 
Not true. What happens is that the current session's preference items
get saved each time you exit FrameMaker so that they will be used as
the defaults the next time you start FrameMaker.
 
 2. The personal maker.ini file only shows portions of the main file
 and seems to handle locations of folders and such.
 
The personal maker.ini can specify a personal override value for *any*
parameter that is controlled by the ini file. By default, it included things 
like default directories, user dictionaires, user preference items like 
automatic save, and default locations of dialog boxes--all the kinds 
of things that any user is likely to set for their own personal preference.
 
The whole point is to allow different users of a shared computer to 
set up their defaults the way they like them without interfering with
other users. When you start FramemMaker, the main maker.ini is read 
first, then the current user's maker.ini. This means that all settings in 
the main maker.ini are used except for the specific items that are
included in the personal maker.ini. 
 
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Re: Is there a way to paste text as default?

2008-03-06 Thread Rene Stephenson

FWIW...I'm running Win XP - SP2 with FM 7.2 (latest patch/update), and there's 
only one maker.ini where this change can be made, and it's in the Program Files 
folder in the path where FM 7.2 is installed. There is a maker.ini in the 
Documents and Settings path to my UserID application data, but it doesn't even 
contain the line that would need to be modified. Changing the one in the 
Program Files path is all it took to make the change effective on my system.

Will:
Please clarify:
Are you saying that changing the one and only maker.ini file to have TEXT as 
the first option on the line
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=
...has no effect?

Rene
 






- Original Message 
From: Whites [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 1:05:07 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a way to paste text as default?

Here's the mystery -
Running 7.2 on XP, sp2. I only have the one maker.ini (the one in the  
Program Files folder). I did a search through the entire C drive for  
the second one.  Nothing shows up. Of course, when I move the TEXT  
option to the head of the list in the Program Files file, it doesn't  
change how the paste function works.  Any hints where my other  
maker.ini might be lurking??

will white

On Mar 5, 2008, at 4:14 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:

 Hi Marta,

 In the maker.ini file change the order of formats
 for ClipboardFormatsPriorities, so that TEXT comes
 first. Newer FM versions have 2 maker.ini files,
 one in the Program Files folder and one in your
 personal folder.

 This change in the maker.ini file works only for text
 which you copied in another application. If you want
 to paste FM text, you should use additional utilities
 which strip the formatting info.

 Best regards

 Winfried

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 Berman, Marta
 Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:57 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Is there a way to paste text as default?

  Is there a way to set the default paste option in FrameMaker
  to Text  (so that I don't have to use Paste Special  Text) ?

 Thanks
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RE: Text insert causing rogue H1

2008-03-06 Thread Combs, Richard

Chen, Loretta wrote: 
 
 We have a text insert in our Preface that starts with a H1. 
 Every time we update the insert in the Preface file, it 
 causes an extra blank H1 to appear in the file *after* the insert. 
 
 Is this just because our insert starts w/a H1? 

Yes, it's an annoying bug that's been discussed here many times. If the
text inset is imported into an empty pgf so that it sits adjacent to
the pilcrow (end of pgf marker), this container pgf takes on the
format of the first pgf in the text inset. 

Fixing this is simple: Separate the text inset from the pilcrow of its
container pgf. I use a non-breaking space so that there's a clearly
visible text symbol and I don't accidentally delete it. (You do have
View  Text Symbols turned on, right? Editing FM docs without being able
to see the text symbols is negligence, IMHO.)

HTH!
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Re: Is there a way to paste text as default?

2008-03-06 Thread Rene Stephenson

You know, it *would* be nice if the ClipboardFormatsPriorities setting at least 
highlighted the new default in the Paste Special window...

Rene 

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Subject: FW: Is there a way to paste text as default?

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Hi Rene –

 Mea culpa (or in the modern rendering, “my
bad”).
 I wrongly expected that changing  ClipboardFormatsPrioritiesto have TEXT as 
the first option would change the ordering in the Paste Special dialog by 
pushing Text to the top of the list. But what we are talking about here isNOT 
Paste Special, but simple Paste. DOH!
 Talk about thinking inside the box.
 Now my simple Paste does indeed paste as text.
 Problem solved.
 Thanks for the help.

 will white
 ViaLogy LLC

 From: Whites [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 20087:33 AM
To: White William
Subject: Fwd: Is there a way topaste text as default?

 Begin forwarded message:

 From: Rene Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: March 6, 2008 6:01:15 AM PST

To: Whites [EMAIL PROTECTED], Reng, Dr.Winfried [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Subject: Re: Is there a way
to paste text as default?

FWIW...I'mrunning Win XP - SP2 with FM 7.2 (latest patch/update), and there's 
only onemaker.ini where this change can be made, and it's in the Program Files 
folderin the path where FM 7.2 is installed. There is a maker.ini in the 
Documentsand Settings path to my UserID application data, but it doesn't even 
containthe line that would need to be modified. Changing the one in the Program 
Filespath is all it took to make the change effective on my system.

Will:
Please clarify:
Are you saying that changing the one and only maker.ini file to have TEXT asthe 
first option on the line
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=
...has no effect?

Rene

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RE: Is there a way to paste text as default?

2008-03-06 Thread Combs, Richard

Rene Stephenson wrote: 
 
 You know, it *would* be nice if the 
 ClipboardFormatsPriorities setting at least highlighted the 
 new default in the Paste Special window...

I'm curious why you think that. Since ClipboardFormatsPriorities
specifies how _Paste_ behaves, how would it be advantageous to have
Paste Special default to the same behavior?

Inquiring minds, etc.

Richard


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Re: Trouble splitting a chapter into two files using FrameMaker....

2008-03-06 Thread Peter Gold

 You will *always* get a page break where a document spans two files.

The real reason behind this behavior is that nearly all modern
printers are page oriented, that is, they start printing new files
on new pages. Old dot-matrix printers were line printers that
printed new files on the next line after the end of the previous file,
on continuous paper, unless a printer command was included to begin
the new file at the top of the next page.

 The
 only way around that would be to combine the two source files into a single
 book component using a text inset for the second part (or inserting both
 parts btext inset into an otherwise empty container file).

Regards,

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Trouble splitting a chapter into two files using FrameMaker....

2008-03-06 Thread Susan Herrin

Hi guys,

I have a chapter that is so large that it is causing FrameMaker to crash
whenever I do an update.

I've spit the chapter into two files, and so at least frame isn't crashing
at the moment

But I'm having problems with pagination and empty pages being inserted at
the point where the chapter jumps from one file to the next. Anyone have
expertise to share about this problem?

Thanks a ton!
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Re: Trouble splitting a chapter into two files using FrameMaker....

2008-03-06 Thread Alan Litchfield

Susan,

I'm assuming that from the  book file you have right clicked on each  
of the chapter files:
1. In the first chapter file you have set the pagination to delete  
empty pages; and,
2. in the second file you have set the first page to next available.

Cheers
Alan

On 7/03/2008, at 9:54 AM, Fred Ridder wrote:


 Susan Herrin wrote:

 I have a chapter that is so large that it is causing FrameMaker to  
 crash
 whenever I do an update.

 I've spit the chapter into two files, and so at least frame isn't  
 crashing
 at the moment

 But I'm having problems with pagination and empty pages being  
 inserted at
 the point where the chapter jumps from one file to the next. Anyone  
 have
 expertise to share about this problem?

 You will *always* get a page break where a document spans two files.  
 The
 only way around that would be to combine the two source files into a  
 single
 book component using a text inset for the second part (or inserting  
 both
 parts btext inset into an otherwise empty container file).

 If you're getting a blank page at the file break, you need to check  
 the
 pagination properties of both files. The file for the first part  
 needs to be
 set to Delete empty pages, and the file for the second part needs to
 be set to Next Available. Note that this last setting *must* be made
 from the book file. If you go to the pagination properties in the  
 file itself,
 you will not find Next available as an option because it does not  
 make
 any sense for an individual document; it only makes sense in the  
 context
 of a multi-file book.

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Is there a way to paste text as default?

2008-03-06 Thread Inbar, Paul

Hi Will,

I don't know how things are setup on your system, but on my system the
other maker.ini is located here:

C:\Documents and Settings\\Application
Data\Adobe\FrameMaker\7.2 

Good luck,
Paul

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Whites
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:05 AM
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Is there a way to paste text as default?

Here's the mystery -
Running 7.2 on XP, sp2. I only have the one maker.ini (the one in the  
Program Files folder). I did a search through the entire C drive for  
the second one.  Nothing shows up. Of course, when I move the TEXT  
option to the head of the list in the Program Files file, it doesn't  
change how the paste function works.  Any hints where my other  
maker.ini might be lurking??

will white

On Mar 5, 2008, at 4:14 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:

> Hi Marta,
>
> In the maker.ini file change the order of formats
> for ClipboardFormatsPriorities, so that TEXT comes
> first. Newer FM versions have 2 maker.ini files,
> one in the Program Files folder and one in your
> personal folder.
>
> This change in the maker.ini file works only for text
> which you copied in another application. If you want
> to paste FM text, you should use additional utilities
> which strip the formatting info.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
>> Berman, Marta
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:57 AM
>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Is there a way to paste text as default?
>>
>>  Is there a way to set the default paste option in FrameMaker
>>  to Text  (so that I don't have to use Paste Special > Text) ?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Marta Berman
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OT: Adobe iFilter

2008-03-06 Thread Berman, Marta

OFF TOPIC (but I hope it's ok to ask, since it is an Adobe productplease 
don't flame me!)
Does anyone know anything about using Adobe iFilter to index the content of 
PDFs? Do you use it? Is it good? Is it reliable?
Thanks
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PDF>FrameMaker>PDF Color Issue

2008-03-06 Thread Jacob Schäffer

Framers,

I have now studied the material forwarded by Richard, and the PDF he imports 
into his FrameMaker document is a perfectly well behaved PDF with correctly 
defined spot colors and duotone images.

On Page 14 in "Adobe? FrameMaker? 7.2 User Guide Supplement for Windows? and 
UNIX?" it's stated:



Importing PDF and Illustrator files (UNIX)
--

You can import Adobe PDF files and Illustrator 9 and 10 files into a FrameMaker 
document in release 7.1 or later.

When you import a PDF or Illustrator file into FrameMaker, the file is treated 
as a graphic, and only one page can be imported at a time. You can import it 
either by copy or by reference.

***Both process and spot colors can be displayed and printed***.



This statement seem to be faulty. At least, on Windows spot colors contained in 
imported PDF documents appear NOT to be retained when output from FrameMaker on 
Windows, and will -- as far as I can see -- effectively output as defined in 
their alternate color space, usually CMYK.

Hence, importing spot colored PDF documents is to no avail with FrameMaker on 
Windows. I haven't tested on other platforms.

Grafikhuset Publi PDF can normally deal with this issue via custom color maps 
and repair such spot colors. However, it can NOT repair duotone images, since 
these are output as composite CMYK, which mean they cannot be repaired at all.

To create a custom color map in Grafikhuset Publi PDF you simply right-click 
the Publi PDF icon in the system tray, select the Attended Queue you want to 
use, and then turn on automatic creation of color maps in the Optimizer section 
of the pop-up menu. This will prompt you with an interface that allow you to 
create new spot colors -- next time you print to the queue.

When the dialog show up do as follows:

(1) Type the spot color name and enter the CMYK values (0-100) in the toolbar.

(2) Click the small button right of the K component field. This this will add 
the spot color to the drop-down list that appear when you click any field in 
the "convert to" column of the table.

(3) When a spot color is selected the Tint value can be entered in the 
corresponding field in the %T column. Be careful NOT to check the OT field, 
since this will apply Overprint, which you most often do NOT want.

Clicking the "Convert to" field for each listed Gray, RGB, CMYK or other spot 
color allow you to remap colors exactly as your job require. When finished you 
can save the color map for later use. You may actually attach it to the queue, 
so you don't need to enter new information each time you print (If you attach 
it to the queue you should switch off the automatic color map creation, since 
its OFF state assure that the analysis phase is skipped and conversion is run 
directly without prompting).

Hope this helps.


Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Sch?ffer  |  Chief Developer
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> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Jacob Sch?ffer 
> Sendt: 4. marts 2008 17:46
> Til: 'Richard Doll'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Cc: strictlybirds at yahoo.com; Dov Isaacs
> Emne: RE: PDF>FrameMaker>PDF Color Issue
> 
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> I'd like to see:
> 
> (1) the PDF you try to deal with in FrameMaker
> 
> (2) a simple FrameMaker document that imports the PDF
> 
> (3) The physical output PDF document you have
> 
> (4) a precise description of what you expect to have as output
> 
> Please send it off-list to me as a ZIP archive.
> 
> I'll then study what goes on and report it here.
> 
> All the best
> Jacob
> 
> 
> > -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> > Fra: Richard Doll [mailto:sgmlindy at tds.net]
> > Sendt: 4. marts 2008 17:08
> > Til: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Cc: strictlybirds at yahoo.com; Dov Isaacs; Jacob Sch?ffer
> > Emne: PDF>FrameMaker>PDF Color Issue
> > 
> > 
> > Why is the color within ".pdf" files containing ".eps"
> > objects totally 
> > ravaged by the Windows RGB GDI upon "Import>File".
> > Upon "Print" for output, black and grayscale images yield 
> > some % of yellow 
> > and Pantone SPOT is no longer accurately definable by any 
> > pre-press software 
> > "PDF to printing-plate system".
> > 
> > Adobe does own the copyrights to all the applications
> > involved with this 
> > issue.
> > Can you divine a wholly complete solution within FrameMaker 
> > other than "Tech 
> > Note" ID 324220 
> > http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=324220
> >  which in a 
> > name is a "kluge"
> > 
> > What could induce the creators of the software that provides
> > us livelihood 
> > and compensation, to have this seemingly small issue 
> > resolved? So . . . it isn't a small issue . . .  Adobe isn't 
> > a small corporation 
> > either.
> > Adobe has denied access to CMYK GDI OS hardware/applications 
> > while denying 
> > RGB GDI OS hardware/applications to

Is there a way to paste text as default?

2008-03-06 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

I did not even know of the "personal" maker.ini, but it is there sure
enough. HOWEVER, I would not recommend putting these things in there,
the reason being:
1. ~\Documents and Settings\ ~~~ da da da \maker.ini showed with
today's stamp, implying that it is regenerated each time you boot.
2. The "personal" maker.ini file only shows portions of the main file
and seems to handle locations of folders and such.
3. Everyone has recommended doing the changes on the main maker.ini.

QUESTION: Did you remember to restart (close and start again)
FrameMaker after doing the changes? The maker.ini changes will not
affect the already running FM, as this is only a file it reads at
startup.

HTH,

Bodvar

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Inbar, Paul  wrote:
> Hi Will,
>
>  I don't know how things are setup on your system, but on my system the
>  other maker.ini is located here:
>
>  C:\Documents and Settings\\Application
>  Data\Adobe\FrameMaker\7.2
>
>  Good luck,
>  Paul
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>
>
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Whites
>  Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:05 AM
>  To: Reng, Dr. Winfried
>  Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>  Subject: Re: Is there a way to paste text as default?
>
>  Here's the mystery -
>  Running 7.2 on XP, sp2. I only have the one maker.ini (the one in the
>  Program Files folder). I did a search through the entire C drive for
>  the second one.  Nothing shows up. Of course, when I move the TEXT
>  option to the head of the list in the Program Files file, it doesn't
>  change how the paste function works.  Any hints where my other
>  maker.ini might be lurking??
>
>  will white
>
>  On Mar 5, 2008, at 4:14 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:
>
>  > Hi Marta,
>  >
>  > In the maker.ini file change the order of formats
>  > for ClipboardFormatsPriorities, so that TEXT comes
>  > first. Newer FM versions have 2 maker.ini files,
>  > one in the Program Files folder and one in your
>  > personal folder.
>  >
>  > This change in the maker.ini file works only for text
>  > which you copied in another application. If you want
>  > to paste FM text, you should use additional utilities
>  > which strip the formatting info.
>  >
>  > Best regards
>  >
>  > Winfried
>  >
>  >> -Original Message-
>  >> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>  >> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
>  >> Berman, Marta
>  >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:57 AM
>  >> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>  >> Subject: Is there a way to paste text as default?
>  >>
>  >>  Is there a way to set the default paste option in FrameMaker
>  >>  to Text  (so that I don't have to use Paste Special > Text) ?
>  >>
>  >> Thanks
>  >> Marta Berman
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Is there a way to paste text as default?

2008-03-06 Thread Fred Ridder


In responding about the personal copy of maker.ini Bodvar wrote (in part):

> 1. ~\Documents and Settings\ ~~~ da da da \maker.ini showed with
> today's stamp, implying that it is regenerated each time you boot.

Not true. What happens is that the current session's preference items
get saved each time you exit FrameMaker so that they will be used as
the defaults the next time you start FrameMaker.

> 2. The "personal" maker.ini file only shows portions of the main file
> and seems to handle locations of folders and such.

The personal maker.ini can specify a personal override value for *any*
parameter that is controlled by the ini file. By default, it included things 
like default directories, user dictionaires, user preference items like 
automatic save, and default locations of dialog boxes--all the kinds 
of things that any user is likely to set for their own personal preference.

The whole point is to allow different users of a shared computer to 
set up their defaults the way they like them without interfering with
other users. When you start FramemMaker, the main maker.ini is read 
first, then the current user's maker.ini. This means that all settings in 
the main maker.ini are used except for the specific items that are
included in the personal maker.ini. 

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Is there a way to paste text as default?

2008-03-06 Thread Rene Stephenson

FWIW...I'm running Win XP - SP2 with FM 7.2 (latest patch/update), and there's 
only one maker.ini where this change can be made, and it's in the Program Files 
folder in the path where FM 7.2 is installed. There is a maker.ini in the 
Documents and Settings path to my UserID application data, but it doesn't even 
contain the line that would need to be modified. Changing the one in the 
Program Files path is all it took to make the change effective on my system.

Will:
Please clarify:
Are you saying that changing the one and only maker.ini file to have TEXT as 
the first option on the line
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=
...has no effect?

Rene

- Original Message 
From: Whites 
To: "Reng, Dr. Winfried" 
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 1:05:07 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a way to paste text as default?

Here's the mystery -
Running 7.2 on XP, sp2. I only have the one maker.ini (the one in the  
Program Files folder). I did a search through the entire C drive for  
the second one.  Nothing shows up. Of course, when I move the TEXT  
option to the head of the list in the Program Files file, it doesn't  
change how the paste function works.  Any hints where my other  
maker.ini might be lurking??

will white

On Mar 5, 2008, at 4:14 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:

> Hi Marta,
>
> In the maker.ini file change the order of formats
> for ClipboardFormatsPriorities, so that TEXT comes
> first. Newer FM versions have 2 maker.ini files,
> one in the Program Files folder and one in your
> personal folder.
>
> This change in the maker.ini file works only for text
> which you copied in another application. If you want
> to paste FM text, you should use additional utilities
> which strip the formatting info.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
>> Berman, Marta
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:57 AM
>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Is there a way to paste text as default?
>>
>>  Is there a way to set the default paste option in FrameMaker
>>  to Text  (so that I don't have to use Paste Special > Text) ?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Marta Berman
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Text insert causing rogue H1

2008-03-06 Thread Combs, Richard

Chen, Loretta wrote: 

> We have a text insert in our Preface that starts with a H1. 
> Every time we update the insert in the Preface file, it 
> causes an extra blank H1 to appear in the file *after* the insert. 
> 
> Is this just because our insert starts w/a H1? 

Yes, it's an annoying bug that's been discussed here many times. If the
text inset is imported into an empty pgf so that it "sits" adjacent to
the pilcrow (end of pgf marker), this "container" pgf takes on the
format of the first pgf in the text inset. 

Fixing this is simple: Separate the text inset from the pilcrow of its
container pgf. I use a non-breaking space so that there's a clearly
visible text symbol and I don't accidentally delete it. (You do have
View > Text Symbols turned on, right? Editing FM docs without being able
to see the text symbols is negligence, IMHO.)

HTH!
Richard

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Is there a way to paste text as default?

2008-03-06 Thread Rene Stephenson

You know, it *would* be nice if the ClipboardFormatsPriorities setting at least 
highlighted the new default in the Paste Special window...

Rene 

- Original Message 
From: William White 
To: rinnie1 at yahoo.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 2:03:32 PM
Subject: FW: Is there a way to paste text as default?

Hi Rene ?

 Mea culpa (or in the modern rendering, ?my
bad?).
 I wrongly expected that changing  ClipboardFormatsPrioritiesto have TEXT as 
the first option would change the ordering in the Paste Special dialog by 
pushing Text to the top of the list. But what we are talking about here isNOT 
Paste Special, but simple Paste. 
 Talk about thinking inside the box.
 Now my simple Paste does indeed paste as text.
 Problem solved.
 Thanks for the help.

 will white
 ViaLogy LLC

 From: Whites [mailto:whitefamily at mac.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 20087:33 AM
To: White William
Subject: Fwd: Is there a way topaste text as default?

 Begin forwarded message:

 From: Rene Stephenson 

Date: March 6, 2008 6:01:15 AM PST

To: Whites , "Reng, Dr.Winfried" 

Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com

Subject: Re: Is there a way
to paste text as default?

FWIW...I'mrunning Win XP - SP2 with FM 7.2 (latest patch/update), and there's 
only onemaker.ini where this change can be made, and it's in the Program Files 
folderin the path where FM 7.2 is installed. There is a maker.ini in the 
Documentsand Settings path to my UserID application data, but it doesn't even 
containthe line that would need to be modified. Changing the one in the Program 
Filespath is all it took to make the change effective on my system.

Will:
Please clarify:
Are you saying that changing the one and only maker.ini file to have TEXT asthe 
first option on the line
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=
...has no effect?

Rene

+++

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Then there's my way - which is like the wrong
way, but faster.

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Is there a way to paste text as default?

2008-03-06 Thread Combs, Richard

Rene Stephenson wrote: 

> You know, it *would* be nice if the 
> ClipboardFormatsPriorities setting at least highlighted the 
> new default in the Paste Special window...

I'm curious why you think that. Since ClipboardFormatsPriorities
specifies how _Paste_ behaves, how would it be advantageous to have
Paste Special default to the same behavior?

Inquiring minds, etc.

Richard

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Trouble splitting a chapter into two files using FrameMaker....

2008-03-06 Thread Fred Ridder

Susan Herrin wrote:

> I have a chapter that is so large that it is causing FrameMaker to crash
> whenever I do an update.
> 
> I've spit the chapter into two files, and so at least frame isn't crashing
> at the moment
> 
> But I'm having problems with pagination and empty pages being inserted at
> the point where the chapter jumps from one file to the next. Anyone have
> expertise to share about this problem?

You will *always* get a page break where a document spans two files. The
only way around that would be to combine the two source files into a single
book component using a text inset for the second part (or inserting both 
parts btext inset into an otherwise empty container file).

If you're getting a blank page at the file break, you need to check the 
pagination properties of both files. The file for the first part needs to be
set to "Delete empty pages", and the file for the second part needs to
be set to "Next Available". Note that this last setting *must* be made
from the book file. If you go to the pagination properties in the file itself,
you will not find "Next available" as an option because it does not make
any sense for an individual document; it only makes sense in the context
of a multi-file book.

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Trouble splitting a chapter into two files using FrameMaker....

2008-03-06 Thread Peter Gold

> You will *always* get a page break where a document spans two files.

The real reason behind this behavior is that nearly all modern
printers are "page oriented," that is, they start printing new files
on new pages. Old dot-matrix printers were "line printers" that
printed new files on the next line after the end of the previous file,
on continuous paper, unless a printer command was included to begin
the new file at the top of the next page.

> The
> only way around that would be to combine the two source files into a single
> book component using a text inset for the second part (or inserting both
> parts btext inset into an otherwise empty container file).

Regards,

Peter
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Trouble splitting a chapter into two files using FrameMaker....

2008-03-06 Thread Susan Herrin

Hi guys,

I have a chapter that is so large that it is causing FrameMaker to crash
whenever I do an update.

I've spit the chapter into two files, and so at least frame isn't crashing
at the moment

But I'm having problems with pagination and empty pages being inserted at
the point where the chapter jumps from one file to the next. Anyone have
expertise to share about this problem?

Thanks a ton!
Susan

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