Framemaker 8, Windows 8.1 and click-and-drag

[Lea Rush]

Hi all,

I crossed my fingers that FM8 and Win8 would play together reasonably nicely. 
It's almost fine except for the above-referenced action: click-and-drag to 
highlight. It doesn't always happen, but when it does, FM freezes irreparably. 
I have to force it closed, and the autosave may or may not survive. Argh. I use 
click-and-drag much more often than I realized, and it's pretty much a 
dealbreaker.

I'm posting less asking for help and more as a warning for my fellow FM8 
holdouts. I suspect that I'm going to end up using Remote Desktop to run my 
Win7 machine on which FM8 worked fine. Do not go unto Win8.1 with old 
Framemaker; there be monsters.

Lea


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Adobe PS driver vanished after Adobe failed Acrobat update

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

Thanks for the suggestions. They helped me take the right decision. :-)

I did not have Reader installed earlier, but after having sent the computer
to a shop (due to USB problems and other anomalities) some changes seem to
have been made that triggered automatic update of Reader. Perhaps they
installed it? And failing to install the update seems to have killed the
printer.

I deleted Reader and ran the Acrobat X repair, and voil?! My Adobe PDF
printer is here again!

Your far-away neighbour,
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
Iceland






On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Craig Ede  wrote:

> The same thing happened to me about a week ago. I limped along using print
> to .ps. I think what finally fixed it was a Adobe Update session. Trigger
> an update for all your Adobe programs and see if that doesn't fix it. If
> you can't, have your administrator do it.
>
> ** **
>
> Craig
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *B??var Bj?rgvinsson
> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2013 12:13 PM
> *To:* FrameUsers List; frame2acrobat at yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Adobe PS driver vanished after Adobe failed Acrobat update
>
> ** **
>
> A few days ago i accepted (once again!) Adobe's request for update on
> Adobe Acrobat (or Reader) ? security reasons, they said. And, as usual,
> while downloading the message was that I could keep on with my work.
>
> ** **
>
> However, the installer gave up when trying to install the update and told
> me it didn't have the rights, system being Windows 7.
>
> ** **
>
> I thought nothing more of it until now when I tried to print a FM10 file
> to file, there was no option for it. I tried the Distiller on a ps file and
> it worked fine. I tried to save as pdf in FM10 and it started but quit with
> complaints that there was no Adobe ps driver available.
>
> ** **
>
> On the Adobe website i only find older versions of ps drivers and all the
> answers I can see are about having to set it up as a new printer in
> Windows, but I do not know where to look for it. I don't find any such
> thing in System32\drivers.
>
> ** **
>
> And they warn that the ps drivers on Adobe's website do not work with
> Vista or newer.
>
> ** **
>
> Any comments?
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
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RE: Adobe PS driver vanished after Adobe failed Acrobat update

[Jack DeLand]

That's true. But it shouldn't have to be so.

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Framemaker 8, Windows 8.1 and click-and-drag

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Lea,



I have seen the same behavior with FrameMaker 7.2 and 8 with Windows 7.



Rick



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Subject: Framemaker 8, Windows 8.1 and click-and-drag



Hi all,



I crossed my fingers that FM8 and Win8 would play together reasonably
nicely. It's almost fine except for the above-referenced action:
click-and-drag to highlight. It doesn't always happen, but when it does, FM
freezes irreparably. I have to force it closed, and the autosave may or may
not survive. Argh. I use click-and-drag much more often than I realized, and
it's pretty much a dealbreaker.



I'm posting less asking for help and more as a warning for my fellow FM8
holdouts. I suspect that I'm going to end up using Remote Desktop to run my
Win7 machine on which FM8 worked fine. Do not go unto Win8.1 with old
Framemaker; there be monsters.



Lea



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[Jack DeLand]

That's true. But it shouldn't have to be so.

Jack DeLand, CSM | 734 972 3026 (cell) | jack.deland (skype) |
www.linkedin.com/in/jackdeland

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The experts say it's a bad idea to have Acrobat Reader and Acrobat on the
same system.

Re: Framemaker 8, Windows 8.1 and click-and-drag

[Dave Reynolds]

  
  
Hi Lea and Rick

Does it depend on how quickly
you drag the cursor across the text? I'm
  using Frame 8 on Win 7 and I've had a few crashes when
  resizing an anchored frame
  down the page. I can't prove it, but I
feel it might be to do with how quickly I drag the frame handle.
  So, if I now have
to make an anchored frame a lot bigger, and drag
  the handle a long way down the page, I do it slowly. Seems to have worked so far.
  
  Cheers

Dave
  

Rick Quatro wrote, on 17/09/2013 11:41
  a.m.:


  
  
  
  
Hi Lea,
 
I have seen the
same behavior with FrameMaker 7.2 and 8 with Windows 7.
 
Rick
 
Rick Quatro
Carmen
Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
r...@frameexpert.com
 
 
 

  
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On
  Behalf Of Lea Rush
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:25 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Framemaker 8, Windows 8.1 and
click-and-drag
  

 
Hi all,
 
I crossed my fingers that FM8 and Win8
  would play together reasonably nicely. It’s almost fine except
  for the above-referenced action: click-and-drag to highlight.
  It doesn’t always happen, but when it does, FM freezes
  irreparably. I have to force it closed, and the autosave may
  or may not survive. Argh. I use click-and-drag much more often
  than I realized, and it’s pretty much a dealbreaker.
 
I’m posting less asking for help and more
  as a warning for my fellow FM8 holdouts. I suspect that I’m
  going to end up using Remote Desktop to run my Win7 machine on
  which FM8 worked fine. Do not go unto Win8.1 with old
  Framemaker; there be monsters.
 
Lea
 
  
  
  
  
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Adobe PS driver vanished after Adobe failed Acrobat update

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

A few days ago i accepted (once again!) Adobe's request for update on Adobe
Acrobat (or Reader) ? security reasons, they said. And, as usual, while
downloading the message was that I could keep on with my work.

However, the installer gave up when trying to install the update and told
me it didn't have the rights, system being Windows 7.

I thought nothing more of it until now when I tried to print a FM10 file to
file, there was no option for it. I tried the Distiller on a ps file and it
worked fine. I tried to save as pdf in FM10 and it started but quit with
complaints that there was no Adobe ps driver available.

On the Adobe website i only find older versions of ps drivers and all the
answers I can see are about having to set it up as a new printer in
Windows, but I do not know where to look for it. I don't find any such
thing in System32\drivers.

And they warn that the ps drivers on Adobe's website do not work with Vista
or newer.

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RE: Framemaker 8, Windows 8.1 and click-and-drag

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Lea,

 

I have seen the same behavior with FrameMaker 7.2 and 8 with Windows 7.

 

Rick

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-283-5045

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lea Rush
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:25 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Framemaker 8, Windows 8.1 and click-and-drag

 

Hi all,

 

I crossed my fingers that FM8 and Win8 would play together reasonably
nicely. It's almost fine except for the above-referenced action:
click-and-drag to highlight. It doesn't always happen, but when it does, FM
freezes irreparably. I have to force it closed, and the autosave may or may
not survive. Argh. I use click-and-drag much more often than I realized, and
it's pretty much a dealbreaker.

 

I'm posting less asking for help and more as a warning for my fellow FM8
holdouts. I suspect that I'm going to end up using Remote Desktop to run my
Win7 machine on which FM8 worked fine. Do not go unto Win8.1 with old
Framemaker; there be monsters.

 

Lea

 

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Framemaker 8, Windows 8.1 and click-and-drag

[Lea Rush]

Hi all,

I crossed my fingers that FM8 and Win8 would play together reasonably nicely. 
It's almost fine except for the above-referenced action: click-and-drag to 
highlight. It doesn't always happen, but when it does, FM freezes irreparably. 
I have to force it closed, and the autosave may or may not survive. Argh. I use 
click-and-drag much more often than I realized, and it's pretty much a 
dealbreaker.

I'm posting less asking for help and more as a warning for my fellow FM8 
holdouts. I suspect that I'm going to end up using Remote Desktop to run my 
Win7 machine on which FM8 worked fine. Do not go unto Win8.1 with old 
Framemaker; there be monsters.

Lea


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Re: Adobe PS driver vanished after Adobe failed Acrobat update

[Robert Lauriston]

The experts say it's a bad idea to have Acrobat Reader and Acrobat on
the same system.


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Böðvar Björgvinsson  wrote:
> I deleted Reader and ran the Acrobat X repair, and voilá! My Adobe PDF 
> printer is here again!
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Re: Inserting inline graphics

[Robert Lauriston]

Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult,
they're usually all in one directory.

Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file
create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as
you want them. Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your
new icon bitmap, select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.

I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote
a FrameScript macro.

To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent  wrote:
> I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons 
> I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the 
> entire product and convert them would be a huge job.
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RE: Adobe PS driver vanished after Adobe failed Acrobat update

[Craig Ede]

The same thing happened to me about a week ago. I limped along using print
to .ps. I think what finally fixed it was a Adobe Update session. Trigger an
update for all your Adobe programs and see if that doesn't fix it. If you
can't, have your administrator do it.

 

Craig

 

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Björgvinsson
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 12:13 PM
To: FrameUsers List; frame2acro...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Adobe PS driver vanished after Adobe failed Acrobat update

 

A few days ago i accepted (once again!) Adobe's request for update on Adobe
Acrobat (or Reader) — security reasons, they said. And, as usual, while
downloading the message was that I could keep on with my work.

 

However, the installer gave up when trying to install the update and told me
it didn't have the rights, system being Windows 7.

 

I thought nothing more of it until now when I tried to print a FM10 file to
file, there was no option for it. I tried the Distiller on a ps file and it
worked fine. I tried to save as pdf in FM10 and it started but quit with
complaints that there was no Adobe ps driver available.

 

On the Adobe website i only find older versions of ps drivers and all the
answers I can see are about having to set it up as a new printer in Windows,
but I do not know where to look for it. I don't find any such thing in
System32\drivers.

 

And they warn that the ps drivers on Adobe's website do not work with Vista
or newer.

 

Any comments?




 
 

 

 

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Re: Adobe PS driver vanished after Adobe failed Acrobat update

[Robert Lauriston]

Download the Acrobat update, right-click the file, and select Run As
Administrator.

If FrameMaker still won't save to PDF, reinstall FrameMaker.

If it still won't save as PDF, re-run the Acrobat update as admin.


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Böðvar Björgvinsson  wrote:
>
> A few days ago i accepted (once again!) Adobe's request for update on Adobe 
> Acrobat (or Reader) — security reasons, they said. And, as usual, while 
> downloading the message was that I could keep on with my work.
>
> However, the installer gave up when trying to install the update and told me 
> it didn't have the rights, system being Windows 7.
>
> I thought nothing more of it until now when I tried to print a FM10 file to 
> file, there was no option for it. I tried the Distiller on a ps file and it 
> worked fine. I tried to save as pdf in FM10 and it started but quit with 
> complaints that there was no Adobe ps driver available.
>
> On the Adobe website i only find older versions of ps drivers and all the 
> answers I can see are about having to set it up as a new printer in Windows, 
> but I do not know where to look for it. I don't find any such thing in 
> System32\drivers.
>
> And they warn that the ps drivers on Adobe's website do not work with Vista 
> or newer.
>
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Re: Inserting inline graphics

[Robert Lauriston]

Huh, pasting over a selected bitmap used to stay in place. Another bad
change to the UI. The align commands might be faster and more precise
than dragging.

As a user I don't find it much work to find a button by its tooltip.
Usually the icon image gives some clue.

Normally I document the most efficient way to execute a command, which
is rarely via the toolbar button.

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Alastair Dent
 wrote:
> I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
>
> The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work 
> well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace 
> it. Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the 
> centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
>
> Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for the end 
> user.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> To: Alastair Dent
> Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're 
> usually all in one directory.
>
> Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one 
> frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you want them. 
> Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon bitmap, 
> select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.
>
> I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote a 
> FrameScript macro.
>
> To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent  
> wrote:
>> I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons 
>> I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the 
>> entire product and convert them would be a huge job.
>
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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I'm using something like your suggested workflow.

The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work 
well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it. 
Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the centre 
of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.

Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for the end 
user. 

-Original Message-
From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're 
usually all in one directory.

Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one 
frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you want them. Copy 
and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon bitmap, select the 
scratch icon bitmap, and paste.

I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote a 
FrameScript macro.

To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent  wrote:
> I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons 
> I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the 
> entire product and convert them would be a huge job.

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Adobe PS driver vanished after Adobe failed Acrobat update

[Craig Ede]

The same thing happened to me about a week ago. I limped along using print
to .ps. I think what finally fixed it was a Adobe Update session. Trigger an
update for all your Adobe programs and see if that doesn't fix it. If you
can't, have your administrator do it.



Craig



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Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 12:13 PM
To: FrameUsers List; frame2acrobat at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Adobe PS driver vanished after Adobe failed Acrobat update



A few days ago i accepted (once again!) Adobe's request for update on Adobe
Acrobat (or Reader) ? security reasons, they said. And, as usual, while
downloading the message was that I could keep on with my work.



However, the installer gave up when trying to install the update and told me
it didn't have the rights, system being Windows 7.



I thought nothing more of it until now when I tried to print a FM10 file to
file, there was no option for it. I tried the Distiller on a ps file and it
worked fine. I tried to save as pdf in FM10 and it started but quit with
complaints that there was no Adobe ps driver available.



On the Adobe website i only find older versions of ps drivers and all the
answers I can see are about having to set it up as a new printer in Windows,
but I do not know where to look for it. I don't find any such thing in
System32\drivers.



And they warn that the ps drivers on Adobe's website do not work with Vista
or newer.



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Adobe PS driver vanished after Adobe failed Acrobat update

[Robert Lauriston]

The experts say it's a bad idea to have Acrobat Reader and Acrobat on
the same system.


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:15 PM, B??var Bj?rgvinsson  
wrote:
> I deleted Reader and ran the Acrobat X repair, and voil?! My Adobe PDF 
> printer is here again!

Re: Adobe PS driver vanished after Adobe failed Acrobat update

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

Thanks for the suggestions. They helped me take the right decision. :-)

I did not have Reader installed earlier, but after having sent the computer
to a shop (due to USB problems and other anomalities) some changes seem to
have been made that triggered automatic update of Reader. Perhaps they
installed it? And failing to install the update seems to have killed the
printer.

I deleted Reader and ran the Acrobat X repair, and voilá! My Adobe PDF
printer is here again!

Your far-away neighbour,
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
Iceland






On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Craig Ede  wrote:

> The same thing happened to me about a week ago. I limped along using print
> to .ps. I think what finally fixed it was a Adobe Update session. Trigger
> an update for all your Adobe programs and see if that doesn't fix it. If
> you can't, have your administrator do it.
>
> ** **
>
> Craig
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Böðvar Björgvinsson
> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2013 12:13 PM
> *To:* FrameUsers List; frame2acro...@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Adobe PS driver vanished after Adobe failed Acrobat update
>
> ** **
>
> A few days ago i accepted (once again!) Adobe's request for update on
> Adobe Acrobat (or Reader) — security reasons, they said. And, as usual,
> while downloading the message was that I could keep on with my work.
>
> ** **
>
> However, the installer gave up when trying to install the update and told
> me it didn't have the rights, system being Windows 7.
>
> ** **
>
> I thought nothing more of it until now when I tried to print a FM10 file
> to file, there was no option for it. I tried the Distiller on a ps file and
> it worked fine. I tried to save as pdf in FM10 and it started but quit with
> complaints that there was no Adobe ps driver available.
>
> ** **
>
> On the Adobe website i only find older versions of ps drivers and all the
> answers I can see are about having to set it up as a new printer in
> Windows, but I do not know where to look for it. I don't find any such
> thing in System32\drivers.
>
> ** **
>
> And they warn that the ps drivers on Adobe's website do not work with
> Vista or newer.
>
> ** **
>
> Any comments?
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
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Adobe PS driver vanished after Adobe failed Acrobat update

[Robert Lauriston]

Download the Acrobat update, right-click the file, and select Run As
Administrator.

If FrameMaker still won't save to PDF, reinstall FrameMaker.

If it still won't save as PDF, re-run the Acrobat update as admin.


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:13 AM, B??var Bj?rgvinsson  
wrote:
>
> A few days ago i accepted (once again!) Adobe's request for update on Adobe 
> Acrobat (or Reader) ? security reasons, they said. And, as usual, while 
> downloading the message was that I could keep on with my work.
>
> However, the installer gave up when trying to install the update and told me 
> it didn't have the rights, system being Windows 7.
>
> I thought nothing more of it until now when I tried to print a FM10 file to 
> file, there was no option for it. I tried the Distiller on a ps file and it 
> worked fine. I tried to save as pdf in FM10 and it started but quit with 
> complaints that there was no Adobe ps driver available.
>
> On the Adobe website i only find older versions of ps drivers and all the 
> answers I can see are about having to set it up as a new printer in Windows, 
> but I do not know where to look for it. I don't find any such thing in 
> System32\drivers.
>
> And they warn that the ps drivers on Adobe's website do not work with Vista 
> or newer.
>

Adobe PS driver vanished after Adobe failed Acrobat update

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

A few days ago i accepted (once again!) Adobe's request for update on Adobe
Acrobat (or Reader) — security reasons, they said. And, as usual, while
downloading the message was that I could keep on with my work.

However, the installer gave up when trying to install the update and told
me it didn't have the rights, system being Windows 7.

I thought nothing more of it until now when I tried to print a FM10 file to
file, there was no option for it. I tried the Distiller on a ps file and it
worked fine. I tried to save as pdf in FM10 and it started but quit with
complaints that there was no Adobe ps driver available.

On the Adobe website i only find older versions of ps drivers and all the
answers I can see are about having to set it up as a new printer in
Windows, but I do not know where to look for it. I don't find any such
thing in System32\drivers.

And they warn that the ps drivers on Adobe's website do not work with Vista
or newer.

Any comments?
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Inserting inline graphics

[Robert Lauriston]

Huh, pasting over a selected bitmap used to stay in place. Another bad
change to the UI. The align commands might be faster and more precise
than dragging.

As a user I don't find it much work to find a button by its tooltip.
Usually the icon image gives some clue.

Normally I document the most efficient way to execute a command, which
is rarely via the toolbar button.

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Alastair Dent
 wrote:
> I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
>
> The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work 
> well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace 
> it. Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the 
> centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
>
> Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for the end 
> user.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> To: Alastair Dent
> Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're 
> usually all in one directory.
>
> Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one 
> frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you want them. 
> Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon bitmap, 
> select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.
>
> I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote a 
> FrameScript macro.
>
> To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent  
> wrote:
>> I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons 
>> I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the 
>> entire product and convert them would be a huge job.
>

Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I'm using something like your suggested workflow.

The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work 
well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it. 
Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the centre 
of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.

Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for the end 
user. 

-Original Message-
From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On 
Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're 
usually all in one directory.

Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one 
frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you want them. Copy 
and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon bitmap, select the 
scratch icon bitmap, and paste.

I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote a 
FrameScript macro.

To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent  
wrote:
> I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons 
> I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the 
> entire product and convert them would be a huge job.