Re: Automatic column widths on import of XML file

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Tino...

Yes .. that's exactly how it would work. Nice examples.

...scott


On 2/24/15 12:42 PM, Heiko Haida wrote:


Good point, Scott, thank you.
I haven't seen this before, sorry...

The syntax in the XML file would be like this:

a) numeric example




b) proportional example




(here with the default that proportions add to "100")

Best regards - Tino

Scott Prentice:


Fei Min...

Column widths can be percentages using the "NN*" format, if your r/w 
rules file includes this rule ..


writer use proportional widths;

Cheers,
...scott

  
On 2/24/15 10:41 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote:


Thanks everyone who responded to this question. The conclusion is 
that we can't expect FrameMaker to automatically size the column 
widths depending on the cells' contents. The next best solution 
seems to be a post-processing script. Maybe a preprocessing script 
is feasible, but since XML is supposed to be format-independent, we 
really shouldn't know the font type and size or padding in each 
cell, so preprocessing is probably a bad idea.


In the interests of clarity, I should point out that Russ Ward seems 
to be correct (at least in FrameMaker 10). If no column widths are 
specified in the XML file, FrameMaker uses the column widths of the 
table style (i.e. template), even though you don't explicitly 
specify them. FrameMaker saves the number of columns and the width 
of them behind the scenes whenever you save that table style. When 
you import the XML table using that style, it uses the width of the 
columns in the table style going from left to right (of course), and 
if the XML table has more columns than the table style, it keeps 
using the width of the last (rightmost) column. I know it never 
truncates nor adds columns according to the table style.


Thanks for letting me know that the widths have to be fixed numbers 
and can't be percentages.


Fei Min Lorente

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Hi,
  
last time I had a closer look I found that FrameMaker would only support

the CALS table model with fixed numeric column widths, not with
percentages.
  
Although it may be possible to set the widths via scripting, the result

will probably not be satisfying at the first attempt. (... especially
when translating the text in different languages)
  
Each column has a numeric "column width" entry.

If these entries are deleted or not written, FrameMaker assumes all
colums to have the same width when interpreting the XML code.
(I have an example here where all columns are output with a width of 2
cm, but I do not know what the default value would be.)
  
Although a template may seem to specify a certain no. of columns (when

inserted as a new table), in the XML workflow a template will only have
influences on margins, ruling and shading. It does not mean that all
tables would be complemented or trunkated to this quantity of columns.
  
We are using FrameMaker as XML editor, so the columns widths are

specified during the editing process and are thus transfered to the XML
code. Indesign e.g. would not be "able" to understand this XML directly
without transformation.
As you can see, one XML is not like another...
  
Tino H. Haida, Berlin
  
  Lin Sims:
  
>/  We've an internal perl script that sets up tables at a predefined table width with the columns at predefined widths, but I'm pretty sure those measurements are hard-coded into the script that creates the XML file from the Excel spreadsheet. It's doable if you know what sizes you're working with before you get started, including how many columns you need included./

>/  /
>/  XML might let you set column widths as a percentage of page/screen width, 
but I don't think that's directly transferable to FM. Can perl handle 
calculations?/
>/  /
>/  On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Scott Prentice http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers>> wrote:/
>/  /
>/  Fei Min.../
>/  /
>/  FM won't auto-adjust table columns in any useful way. The only way I know 
of is to write a script or plugin to analyze the contents of the cells and do the 
width adjustment based on some predefined logic (widest graphic, or amount of 
text, etc.)./
>/  /
>/  Would love to hear I'm wrong .. but hot holding my breath./
>/  /
>/  ...scott/
>/  /
>/  On 2/23/15 9:16 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote:/
>/  /
>/  Hi folks:/
>/  /
>/  I found this discussion from 
2008:https://forums.adobe.com/message/1279946#1279946  [3], and this helpful 
answer from Russ Ward in 2010:https://forums.adobe.com/thread/577820?tstart=0  
[4], but I don't see the solution that I'm looking for. My manager (a software 
development guy) would like to create an XML file that I can import into 
FrameMaker that doesn't specify the width of each column. He's taking output from 
Jira, and peo

Re: Preface

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It's the stuff that comes before the face and the postface.

Nadine

From: Robert Lauriston 
To: framers 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Preface

What do you mean by "preface"? What's in it?



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they
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> companies are moving away from including them. What's been your
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Re: Preface

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You talking about "Front Matter"?

Yes...contains, among other things, the change history and stakeholder
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What do you mean by "preface"? What's in it?

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 1:16 PM,   wrote:
> Do you guys still add a preface to your manuals? No one reads them and
they
> cost money if you're translating the manuals, so I've heard that a lot of
> companies are moving away from including them. What's been your
experience?
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Re: Preface

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It's the stuff that comes before the face and the postface.
Nadine
  From: Robert Lauriston 
 To: framers  
 Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 5:13 PM
 Subject: Re: Preface
   
What do you mean by "preface"? What's in it?



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> cost money if you're translating the manuals, so I've heard that a lot of
> companies are moving away from including them. What's been your experience?
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Re: Preface

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What do you mean by "preface"? What's in it?

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 1:16 PM,   wrote:
> Do you guys still add a preface to your manuals? No one reads them and they
> cost money if you're translating the manuals, so I've heard that a lot of
> companies are moving away from including them. What's been your experience?
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RE: Preface

[Craig, Alison]

We don’t add a preface (and we do a lot of translation).

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cost money if you're translating the manuals, so I've heard that a lot of 
companies are moving away from including them. What's been your experience?

Thanks,
Gillian
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Preface

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Do you guys still add a preface to your manuals? No one reads them and they 
cost money if you're translating the manuals, so I've heard that a lot of 
companies are moving away from including them. What's been your experience? 

Thanks, 
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RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Klaus,

 

Good point. I can solve that by calling another Update, but without
generating the TOCs again. Thanks for the feedback.

 

Rick

 

From: Mueller, Klaus [mailto:klaus.muel...@itl.eu] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 3:39 PM
To: Rick Quatro
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book

 

Hi Rick, 

 

> but then a script goes through each TOC and deletes all the content 
> except for entries to files immediately following the TOC

 

With this approach, I see the following problem:

The TOC entries of 15 languages might lead to additional TOC pages. 
After the script has deleted those entries, the page numbers won't be 
consecutive anymore (except each chapter restarts page numbering).

 

Kind regards, 
Klaus

 

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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

And that's what it was. When I replaced the copy I had with a clean
version, generated a PDF, then used the Save As Reduced size, it came out
perfectly.

Seriously, you'd think I'd be happier about solving the problem, but what a
bloody piddly thing it turned out to be to take all that time to fix.

Oh, well. Next problem ...

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Seems plausible. Inappropriate .joboptions settings can cause massive
> bloat.
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Would a corrupt .joboptions file result in the sort of file size
> increase I
> > saw? I just tried creating a PDF using the Standard option, and
> everything
> > was fine.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> >>
> >> It does a bit, doesn't it? I've never really dug into Distiller, so I'm
> >> going to spend some time with the PDF Creation Settings manual and see
> if it
> >> sheds any light on the issue.
> >>
> >> This is the first job I've ever had that actually created a customized
> >> joboptions file. Always before, I picked Standard. However, the people
> >> controlling that sort of thing are no longer in control, so I'm free to
> >> explore a bit and see if there's something that works better. Especially
> >> since I suspect it hasn't been looked at in a long time. Would you
> believe,
> >> it was still set to be compatible with Acrobat 4.0?
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Robert Lauriston  >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That seems bizarre.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> >>> > FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off,
> >>> > since
> >>> > we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.
> >>> >
> >>> > The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I
> >>> > expected.
>



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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Robert Lauriston]

Seems plausible. Inappropriate .joboptions settings can cause massive bloat.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Would a corrupt .joboptions file result in the sort of file size increase I
> saw? I just tried creating a PDF using the Standard option, and everything
> was fine.
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>>
>> It does a bit, doesn't it? I've never really dug into Distiller, so I'm
>> going to spend some time with the PDF Creation Settings manual and see if it
>> sheds any light on the issue.
>>
>> This is the first job I've ever had that actually created a customized
>> joboptions file. Always before, I picked Standard. However, the people
>> controlling that sort of thing are no longer in control, so I'm free to
>> explore a bit and see if there's something that works better. Especially
>> since I suspect it hasn't been looked at in a long time. Would you believe,
>> it was still set to be compatible with Acrobat 4.0?
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Robert Lauriston 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That seems bizarre.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>>> > FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off,
>>> > since
>>> > we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.
>>> >
>>> > The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I
>>> > expected.
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Re: Automatic column widths on import of XML file

[Heiko Haida]

 

Good point, Scott, thank you.
I haven't seen this before, sorry... 

The syntax in the XML file would be like this: 

a) numeric example 


 

b) proportional example 


 

(here with the default that proportions add to "100") 

Best regards - Tino 

Scott Prentice: 

> Fei Min...
> 
> Column widths can be percentages using the "NN*" format, if your r/w rules 
> file includes this rule ..
> 
> writer use proportional widths;
> 
> Cheers,
> ...scott
> 
> On 2/24/15 10:41 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: 
> 
>> Thanks everyone who responded to this question. The conclusion is that we 
>> can't expect FrameMaker to automatically size the column widths depending on 
>> the cells' contents. The next best solution seems to be a post-processing 
>> script. Maybe a preprocessing script is feasible, but since XML is supposed 
>> to be format-independent, we really shouldn't know the font type and size or 
>> padding in each cell, so preprocessing is probably a bad idea. 
>> 
>> In the interests of clarity, I should point out that Russ Ward seems to be 
>> correct (at least in FrameMaker 10). If no column widths are specified in 
>> the XML file, FrameMaker uses the column widths of the table style (i.e. 
>> template), even though you don't explicitly specify them. FrameMaker saves 
>> the number of columns and the width of them behind the scenes whenever you 
>> save that table style. When you import the XML table using that style, it 
>> uses the width of the columns in the table style going from left to right 
>> (of course), and if the XML table has more columns than the table style, it 
>> keeps using the width of the last (rightmost) column. I know it never 
>> truncates nor adds columns according to the table style. 
>> 
>> Thanks for letting me know that the widths have to be fixed numbers and 
>> can't be percentages. 
>> 
>> Fei Min Lorente 
>> 
>> Senior Technical Communicator 
>> 
>> Medical and Wireless Division 
>> 
>> feimin.lore...@onsemi.com 
>> 
>> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office 
>> 
>> +1 519-831-4931 | mobile 
>> 
>> +1 905-631-5724 | fax 
>> 
>> www.onsemi.com [5] 
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> last time I had a closer look I found that FrameMaker would only support
>> 
>> the CALS table model with fixed numeric column widths, not with
>> 
>> percentages. 
>> 
>> Although it may be possible to set the widths via scripting, the result
>> 
>> will probably not be satisfying at the first attempt. (... especially
>> 
>> when translating the text in different languages) 
>> 
>> Each column has a numeric "column width" entry. 
>> 
>> If these entries are deleted or not written, FrameMaker assumes all
>> 
>> colums to have the same width when interpreting the XML code.
>> 
>> (I have an example here where all columns are output with a width of 2
>> 
>> cm, but I do not know what the default value would be.) 
>> 
>> Although a template may seem to specify a certain no. of columns (when
>> 
>> inserted as a new table), in the XML workflow a template will only have
>> 
>> influences on margins, ruling and shading. It does not mean that all
>> 
>> tables would be complemented or trunkated to this quantity of columns. 
>> 
>> We are using FrameMaker as XML editor, so the columns widths are
>> 
>> specified during the editing process and are thus transfered to the XML
>> 
>> code. Indesign e.g. would not be "able" to understand this XML directly
>> 
>> without transformation.
>> 
>> As you can see, one XML is not like another... 
>> 
>> Tino H. Haida, Berlin 
>> 
>> Lin Sims: 
>> 
>>> _ We've an internal perl script that sets up tables at a predefined table 
>>> width with the columns at predefined widths, but I'm pretty sure those 
>>> measurements are hard-coded into the script that creates the XML file from 
>>> the Excel spreadsheet. It's doable if you know what sizes you're working 
>>> with before you get started, including how many columns you need included._
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ XML might let you set column widths as a percentage of page/screen width, 
>>> but I don't think that's directly transferable to FM. Can perl handle 
>>> calculations? _
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Scott Prentice >> [1]> wrote:_
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ Fei Min..._
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ FM won't auto-adjust table columns in any useful way. The only way I know 
>>> of is to write a script or plugin to analyze the contents of the cells and 
>>> do the width adjustment based on some predefined logic (widest graphic, or 
>>> amount of text, etc.)._
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ Would love to hear I'm wrong .. but hot holding my breath._
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ ...scott_
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ On 2/23/15 9:16 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: _
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ Hi folks: _
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ I found this discussion from 2008: 
>>> https://forums.adobe.com/message/1279946#1279946 [2] [3], and this helpful 
>>> answer from Russ Ward in 2010: 
>>> https://forums.adobe.com/thread/577820?tstart=0 [3] [4], but I don't see 

Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

Would a corrupt .joboptions file result in the sort of file size increase I
saw? I just tried creating a PDF using the Standard option, and everything
was fine.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> It does a bit, doesn't it? I've never really dug into Distiller, so I'm
> going to spend some time with the PDF Creation Settings manual and see if
> it sheds any light on the issue.
>
> This is the first job I've ever had that actually created a customized
> joboptions file. Always before, I picked Standard. However, the people
> controlling that sort of thing are no longer in control, so I'm free to
> explore a bit and see if there's something that works better. Especially
> since I suspect it hasn't been looked at in a long time. Would you believe,
> it was still set to be compatible with Acrobat 4.0?
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>
>> That seems bizarre.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> > FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off,
>> since
>> > we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.
>> >
>> > The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I expected.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Lin Sims
>



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RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book

[Mueller, Klaus]

Hi Rick,

> but then a script goes through each TOC and deletes all the content
> except for entries to files immediately following the TOC

With this approach, I see the following problem:
The TOC entries of 15 languages might lead to additional TOC pages.
After the script has deleted those entries, the page numbers won't be
consecutive anymore (except each chapter restarts page numbering).

Kind regards,
Klaus

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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

It does a bit, doesn't it? I've never really dug into Distiller, so I'm
going to spend some time with the PDF Creation Settings manual and see if
it sheds any light on the issue.

This is the first job I've ever had that actually created a customized
joboptions file. Always before, I picked Standard. However, the people
controlling that sort of thing are no longer in control, so I'm free to
explore a bit and see if there's something that works better. Especially
since I suspect it hasn't been looked at in a long time. Would you believe,
it was still set to be compatible with Acrobat 4.0?

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> That seems bizarre.
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off,
> since
> > we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.
> >
> > The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I expected.
>



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Re: User interface view option customization

[Steve Rickaby]

At 19:31 + 24/2/15, David Spreadbury wrote:

>Do a search for "framemaker_11_ini_reference" (without the quotes or go to 
>http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/ini/framemaker_11_ini_reference.pdf.
>There are a couple settings listed in this document that might do just what 
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I do have the document. I will look at it again - thanks.

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Re: User interface view option customization

[David Spreadbury]

Do a search for "framemaker_11_ini_reference" (without the quotes or go to 
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/ini/framemaker_11_ini_reference.pdf.There
 are a couple settings listed in this document that might do just what you are 
looking for.Dave 

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:02 PM, Jeff Coatsworth 
 wrote:
   

 I thought it was stored in the document - Klaus Daube may have something in 
his explorations of the maker.ini that sheds some light for you.

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Subject: User interface view option customization

I am still feeling the pain of transition from FrameMaker 7 on Mac to the sunny 
uplands (maybe) of FrameMaker 12. But it does give me access to customization 
via the maker.ini file that was not possible on Mac. 

I have searched - oh how I have searched - for a setting that controls the 
default view of a document when it is opened (100%, set window to page and so 
on). I even found the INI documentation for FrameMaker 11, but no joy.

Does anyone know - is this configurable? I find myself correcting the view 
every time I open a document, and it's getting tiresome.

-- 
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Re: Automatic column widths on import of XML file

[Scott Prentice]

Fei Min...

Column widths can be percentages using the "NN*" format, if your r/w 
rules file includes this rule ..


writer use proportional widths;

Cheers,
...scott

On 2/24/15 10:41 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote:


Thanks everyone who responded to this question. The conclusion is that 
we can’t expect FrameMaker to automatically size the column widths 
depending on the cells’ contents. The next best solution seems to be a 
post-processing script. Maybe a preprocessing script is feasible, but 
since XML is supposed to be format-independent, we really shouldn’t 
know the font type and size or padding in each cell, so preprocessing 
is probably a bad idea.


In the interests of clarity, I should point out that Russ Ward seems 
to be correct (at least in FrameMaker 10). If no column widths are 
specified in the XML file, FrameMaker uses the column widths of the 
table style (i.e. template), even though you don’t explicitly specify 
them. FrameMaker saves the number of columns and the width of them 
behind the scenes whenever you save that table style. When you import 
the XML table using that style, it uses the width of the columns in 
the table style going from left to right (of course), and if the XML 
table has more columns than the table style, it keeps using the width 
of the last (rightmost) column. I know it never truncates nor adds 
columns according to the table style.


Thanks for letting me know that the widths have to be fixed numbers 
and can’t be percentages.


Fei Min Lorente

Senior Technical Communicator

Medical and Wireless Division

feimin.lore...@onsemi.com 

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Hi,
  
last time I had a closer look I found that FrameMaker would only support

the CALS table model with fixed numeric column widths, not with
percentages.
  
Although it may be possible to set the widths via scripting, the result

will probably not be satisfying at the first attempt. (... especially
when translating the text in different languages)
  
Each column has a numeric "column width" entry.

If these entries are deleted or not written, FrameMaker assumes all
colums to have the same width when interpreting the XML code.
(I have an example here where all columns are output with a width of 2
cm, but I do not know what the default value would be.)
  
Although a template may seem to specify a certain no. of columns (when

inserted as a new table), in the XML workflow a template will only have
influences on margins, ruling and shading. It does not mean that all
tables would be complemented or trunkated to this quantity of columns.
  
We are using FrameMaker as XML editor, so the columns widths are

specified during the editing process and are thus transfered to the XML
code. Indesign e.g. would not be "able" to understand this XML directly
without transformation.
As you can see, one XML is not like another...
  
Tino H. Haida, Berlin
  
  Lin Sims:
  
>/  We've an internal perl script that sets up tables at a predefined table width with the columns at predefined widths, but I'm pretty sure those measurements are hard-coded into the script that creates the XML file from the Excel spreadsheet. It's doable if you know what sizes you're working with before you get started, including how many columns you need included./

>/  /
>/  XML might let you set column widths as a percentage of page/screen width, 
but I don't think that's directly transferable to FM. Can perl handle 
calculations?/
>/  /
>/  On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Scott Prentice http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers>> wrote:/
>/  /
>/  Fei Min.../
>/  /
>/  FM won't auto-adjust table columns in any useful way. The only way I know 
of is to write a script or plugin to analyze the contents of the cells and do the 
width adjustment based on some predefined logic (widest graphic, or amount of 
text, etc.)./
>/  /
>/  Would love to hear I'm wrong .. but hot holding my breath./
>/  /
>/  ...scott/
>/  /
>/  On 2/23/15 9:16 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote:/
>/  /
>/  Hi folks:/
>/  /
>/  I found this discussion from 
2008:https://forums.adobe.com/message/1279946#1279946  [3], and this helpful 
answer from Russ Ward in 2010:https://forums.adobe.com/thread/577820?tstart=0  
[4], but I don't see the solution that I'm looking for. My manager (a software 
development guy) would like to create an XML file that I can import into 
FrameMaker that doesn't specify the width of each column. He's taking output from 
Jira, and people can create tables in the Description field there, but he has no 
way of knowing how wide the columns are. He figures that if HTML can automatically 
size the columns to suit the contents, surely FrameMaker can do this too (I'm not 
so sure)./
>/  /
>/  I've tried it myself, and the column widths in the table template apply 
when you don't specify widths in XML. If you have more c

Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Robert Lauriston]

That seems bizarre.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off, since
> we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.
>
> The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I expected.
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RE: User interface view option customization

[Jeff Coatsworth]

I thought it was stored in the document - Klaus Daube may have something in his 
explorations of the maker.ini that sheds some light for you.

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Sent: February-24-15 1:36 PM
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Subject: User interface view option customization

I am still feeling the pain of transition from FrameMaker 7 on Mac to the sunny 
uplands (maybe) of FrameMaker 12. But it does give me access to customization 
via the maker.ini file that was not possible on Mac. 

I have searched - oh how I have searched - for a setting that controls the 
default view of a document when it is opened (100%, set window to page and so 
on). I even found the INI documentation for FrameMaker 11, but no joy.

Does anyone know - is this configurable? I find myself correcting the view 
every time I open a document, and it's getting tiresome.

-- 
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RE: How do you type a dash em in FM12

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

In stock Word, it is usually three dashes to get to an em-dash, two dashes gets 
you an en-dash (a different character). This is using the auto-correct feature, 
and you can change its behavior pretty easily too.

Plus (at least in Word 2013 and Office 2013 products) typing a "space, dash, 
space" followed by another word and then a space converts the "space, dash, 
space" to "space, en-dash, space". Not sure which option selects this behavior, 
but I don't think it is auto-correct, since the change is elsewhere compared to 
the text entry location. It is also quite specific - having extra (or missing 
one) spaces before or after the dash does not work, for example.

In FrameMaker, I just use the ALT 0151 key sequence to get an em-dash. There is 
also a menu pull-down that allows you to insert various common symbols - not 
just an em-dash.

Z

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Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:09 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: How do you type a dash em in FM12

In earlier versions of Word, when you typed 2 hyphens (--) it would 
automatically convert to a dash em. Is there any way to do the same or similar 
in FM12?




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Re: Automatic column widths on import of XML file

[Fei Min Lorente]

Thanks everyone who responded to this question. The conclusion is that we can't 
expect FrameMaker to automatically size the column widths depending on the 
cells' contents. The next best solution seems to be a post-processing script. 
Maybe a preprocessing script is feasible, but since XML is supposed to be 
format-independent, we really shouldn't know the font type and size or padding 
in each cell, so preprocessing is probably a bad idea.

In the interests of clarity, I should point out that Russ Ward seems to be 
correct (at least in FrameMaker 10). If no column widths are specified in the 
XML file, FrameMaker uses the column widths of the table style (i.e. template), 
even though you don't explicitly specify them. FrameMaker saves the number of 
columns and the width of them behind the scenes whenever you save that table 
style. When you import the XML table using that style, it uses the width of the 
columns in the table style going from left to right (of course), and if the XML 
table has more columns than the table style, it keeps using the width of the 
last (rightmost) column. I know it never truncates nor adds columns according 
to the table style.

Thanks for letting me know that the widths have to be fixed numbers and can't 
be percentages.

Fei Min Lorente
Senior Technical Communicator
Medical and Wireless Division
feimin.lore...@onsemi.com
+1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office
+1 519-831-4931 | mobile
+1 905-631-5724 | fax
www.onsemi.com



Hi,



last time I had a closer look I found that FrameMaker would only support

the CALS table model with fixed numeric column widths, not with

percentages.



Although it may be possible to set the widths via scripting, the result

will probably not be satisfying at the first attempt. (... especially

when translating the text in different languages)



Each column has a numeric "column width" entry.

If these entries are deleted or not written, FrameMaker assumes all

colums to have the same width when interpreting the XML code.

(I have an example here where all columns are output with a width of 2

cm, but I do not know what the default value would be.)



Although a template may seem to specify a certain no. of columns (when

inserted as a new table), in the XML workflow a template will only have

influences on margins, ruling and shading. It does not mean that all

tables would be complemented or trunkated to this quantity of columns.



We are using FrameMaker as XML editor, so the columns widths are

specified during the editing process and are thus transfered to the XML

code. Indesign e.g. would not be "able" to understand this XML directly

without transformation.

As you can see, one XML is not like another...



Tino H. Haida, Berlin



 Lin Sims:



> We've an internal perl script that sets up tables at a predefined table width 
> with the columns at predefined widths, but I'm pretty sure those measurements 
> are hard-coded into the script that creates the XML file from the Excel 
> spreadsheet. It's doable if you know what sizes you're working with before 
> you get started, including how many columns you need included.

>

> XML might let you set column widths as a percentage of page/screen width, but 
> I don't think that's directly transferable to FM. Can perl handle 
> calculations?

>

> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Scott Prentice  leximation.com> wrote:

>

> Fei Min...

>

> FM won't auto-adjust table columns in any useful way. The only way I know of 
> is to write a script or plugin to analyze the contents of the cells and do 
> the width adjustment based on some predefined logic (widest graphic, or 
> amount of text, etc.).

>

> Would love to hear I'm wrong .. but hot holding my breath.

>

> ...scott

>

> On 2/23/15 9:16 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote:

>

> Hi folks:

>

> I found this discussion from 2008: 
> https://forums.adobe.com/message/1279946#1279946 [3], and this helpful answer 
> from Russ Ward in 2010: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/577820?tstart=0 [4], 
> but I don't see the solution that I'm looking for. My manager (a software 
> development guy) would like to create an XML file that I can import into 
> FrameMaker that doesn't specify the width of each column. He's taking output 
> from Jira, and people can create tables in the Description field there, but 
> he has no way of knowing how wide the columns are. He figures that if HTML 
> can automatically size the columns to suit the contents, surely FrameMaker 
> can do this too (I'm not so sure).

>

> I've tried it myself, and the column widths in the table template apply when 
> you don't specify widths in XML. If you have more columns than are in your 
> template, it seems to use the width of the last templated column. And the 
> tables might contain graphics as well as text.

>

> Anyone have any better ideas?

>

> I'm using FrameMaker 10 

User interface view option customization

[Steve Rickaby]

I am still feeling the pain of transition from FrameMaker 7 on Mac to the sunny 
uplands (maybe) of FrameMaker 12. But it does give me access to customization 
via the maker.ini file that was not possible on Mac. 

I have searched - oh how I have searched - for a setting that controls the 
default view of a document when it is opened (100%, set window to page and so 
on). I even found the INI documentation for FrameMaker 11, but no joy.

Does anyone know - is this configurable? I find myself correcting the view 
every time I open a document, and it's getting tiresome.

-- 
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RE: How do you type a dash em in FM12

[Fred Ridder]

Actually, Word is still capable of making that autocorrection. They just don't 
turn that option on as the default anymore. 

Go to the Word Options dialog and select the Proofing properties page. Click 
the big button for AutoCorrect Options, and the first item in the suggested 
replacement list box for the "Replace text as you type" feature is the 2 
hyphens to en-dash replacement. 

-Fred Ridder

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Subject: Re: How do you type a dash em in FM12
From: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 12:56:04 -0500
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Thanks! I knew it had to be in there somewhere.
By the way, Word convert 2 hyphens to an en dash either anymore.









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Business

Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.

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Elmira, NY 14901

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Mobile: +607 769-4779

Email: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com







From:  
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To:  
 "tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com"
, "framers@lists.frameusers.com"


Date:  
 02/24/2015 12:20 PM

Subject:
   Re: How do you
type a dash em in FM12








Tom,

An em dash in Frame is ctrl+q Shift+q

An en dash is ctrl+q Shift+p



The FrameMaker 12 User Guide has a table
of all the keystrokes for inserting special characters on page 664.





On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:09 AM, "tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com"
 wrote:





In earlier versions of Word, when you
typed 2 hyphens (--) it would automatically convert to a dash em. Is there
any way to do the same or similar in FM12? 









Tom Beiswenger

Manager, Technical & Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection
Business

Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.

1140 Sullivan St.

Elmira, NY 14901

PH: +607 735-4279



FX: +607 734-8278



Mobile: +607 769-4779



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Re: How do you type a dash em in FM12

[tom . beiswenger]

Thanks! I knew it had to be in there somewhere. By the way, Word convert 2 
hyphens to an en dash either anymore.




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From:   David Spreadbury 
To: "tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com" , 
"framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
Date:   02/24/2015 12:20 PM
Subject:Re: How do you type a dash em in FM12



Tom,
An em dash in Frame is ctrl+q Shift+q
An en dash is ctrl+q Shift+p

The FrameMaker 12 User Guide has a table of all the keystrokes for 
inserting special characters on page 664.


On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:09 AM, "tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com" 
 wrote:


In earlier versions of Word, when you typed 2 hyphens (--) it would 
automatically convert to a dash em. Is there any way to do the same or 
similar in FM12? 




Tom Beiswenger
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Business
Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
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RE: How do you type a dash em in FM12

[Fred Ridder]

In Word, it's an "autocorrect as you type" option, and it still exists. Except 
that two hypens is autocorrected to an *en*-dash, not an em-dash.

In FrameMaker, I find the easiest approach is to use the Windows keyboard 
shortcut for extended characters. You hold down the Alt key and then type a 
4-digit code on the *numeric* keypad (with NumLock on, of course). 
For an en-dash, it's Alt+0150
For an em-dash, it's Alt+0151
This works in all standard Windows apps.

Otherwise, you can go ahead and type two hyphens and then later do a global 
find & replace. Or you could define a custom keyboard shortcut if you really 
want to.

-Fred Ridder

To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: How do you type a dash em in FM12
From: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 12:09:24 -0500

In earlier versions of Word, when you typed
2 hyphens (--) it would automatically convert to a dash em. Is there any
way to do the same or similar in FM12? 









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There is also Alt 0150 and Alt 0151.
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Re: How do you type a dash em in FM12

[David Spreadbury]

Tom,An em dash in Frame is ctrl+q Shift+qAn en dash is ctrl+q Shift+p
The FrameMaker 12 User Guide has a table of all the keystrokes for inserting 
special characters on page 664. 

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:09 AM, "tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com" 
 wrote:
   

 In earlier versions of Word, when you typed2 hyphens (--) it would 
automatically convert to a dash em. Is there anyway to do the same or similar 
in FM12? 




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RE: How do you type a dash em in FM12

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Tom,

 

Not automatically, but the shortcut for an em dash is Control+Q, Shift+Q. An
en dash is Control+Q, Shift+P.

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

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Subject: How do you type a dash em in FM12

 

In earlier versions of Word, when you typed 2 hyphens (--) it would
automatically convert to a dash em. Is there any way to do the same or
similar in FM12? 




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How do you type a dash em in FM12

[tom . beiswenger]

In earlier versions of Word, when you typed 2 hyphens (--) it would 
automatically convert to a dash em. Is there any way to do the same or 
similar in FM12? 




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Re: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book

[Shmuel]

  
  
In that case, I think Alan should (if possible) put all chapters of
each language in one FM file and add a local TOC to each FM file.

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
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On 24-Feb-15 3:18 PM, Rick Quatro
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Conceptually,
sub-books--each containing their own TOC--should work, but
when you make a PDF from the master book, the generated
files in each sub-book don't appear in the PDF. I haven't
figured out why, but have confirmed it in my tests.
 
Rick Quatro
Carmen
Publishing Inc.
585-366-4017
r...@frameexpert.com
 
 
 

  
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  Behalf Of Shmuel
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:56 AM
To: Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1);
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book
  

 
You could put
  each language in one file and create a local TOC in each file.
  You also might be able to use subbooks and make TOCs for each
  subbook, but I've never used subbooks, so I don't know if
  seperate TOCs per subboks exist in FM.
  
  --
  Shmuel Wolfson
  Technical Writer
  052-763-7133
     

  On 23-Feb-15 9:24 PM, Alan Salo (Ariens
Plant 1) wrote:


  Happy Monday!
   
  What is the best way to set up multiple
TOCs in the same book? I have a book containing 16
languages, with each language having its own TOC.  I need
each of the 16 TOCs to display Heading 1s and Heading 2s in
their own language only. I can generate multiple TOCs in my
book, but my trouble is that each TOC shows me ALL the
Heading 1s and Heading 2s in my book, so I get all 16
languages in each TOC. I can easily delete them from each of
the 16 TOC files, but they come back every time I update the
book. 
   
  The only thing I can think of doing is
changing my Paragraph Tags in each language. So I’d have
Heading 1_eng, Heading 1_fre, Heading 1_spa, etc. And then
I’d have to apply those to every heading 1 and 2 in every
one of my languages. That’s a lot of work. There must be an
easier way, right?
   
  Thanks,
  Alan
   
  
  
  
  
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off, since
we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.

The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I expected.

Now if I can just get the text within the SVG graphics to be searchable (a
major reason for the upgrade), I'll be happy. I'm already in touch with
Kapil about that.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> And, just testing it, but Adobe Acrobat was not able to find text inside a
> graphic, which was a big reason why we upgraded. I'll have to look into
> that, but I bet you're right, Robert. I bet that's the cause.
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>> Shoot, you're right. Adobe finally fixed the SVG generation into PDF so
>> that the SVG graphics are searchable again. Or so they say, I haven't
>> actually tried to search for anything.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Robert Lauriston 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe there's a change in how FrameMaker 12 handles SVGs when
>>> generating PDFs? Could the rasterization quality default have changed?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>>> > Nope. All the images are SVGs that are copied into the file (yes, I
>>> know,
>>> > but we're kinda stuck with that as part of the process).
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Robert Lauriston <
>>> rob...@lauriston.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Are of the image compression options different?
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims 
>>> wrote:
>>> >> > Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
>>> >> > generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from
>>> PDF to
>>> >> > Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped,
>>> so the
>>> >> > next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston <
>>> rob...@lauriston.com>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
>>> >> >> coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
>>> >> >> occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
>>> >> >> strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately
>>> changed
>>> >> >> in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
>>> >> >> default.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims 
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >> > Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all
>>> the
>>> >> >> > tips
>>> >> >> > y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size
>>> >> >> > appreciably.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible
>>> to
>>> >> >> > put
>>> >> >> > the
>>> >> >> > shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we
>>> have
>>> >> >> > unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it
>>> locally,
>>> >> >> > but
>>> >> >> > they
>>> >> >> > always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an
>>> attachment
>>> >> >> > to
>>> >> >> > an
>>> >> >> > email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to
>>> >> >> > begin
>>> >> >> > with. :-)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > Lin Sims
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Lin Sims
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lin Sims
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Lin Sims
>



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RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book

[Rick Quatro]

Yes, tried it a couple of different ways and no success.

 

As an alternative, I have proposed a script solution where you have a single
book with the TOCs for each language in their desired positions in the main
book. (This is how their book is set up currently anyway.) After you update
the book, all of the TOCs have the same content, but then a script goes
through each TOC and deletes all the content except for entries to files
immediately following the TOC, up to the next TOC in the book. The script
can be automatically invoked by the update process so it should be pretty
seamless.

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:22 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book

 

Arnis over on the forums suggested working from the bottom up on these book
of books scenarios - create the generated matter in the sub-books first &
then do the top level book last. Have you done that & still have no success
Rick?

 

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Sent: February-24-15 8:18 AM
To: 'Shmuel'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book

 

Conceptually, sub-books--each containing their own TOC--should work, but
when you make a PDF from the master book, the generated files in each
sub-book don't appear in the PDF. I haven't figured out why, but have
confirmed it in my tests.

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:56 AM
To: Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1); framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book

 

You could put each language in one file and create a local TOC in each file.
You also might be able to use subbooks and make TOCs for each subbook, but
I've never used subbooks, so I don't know if seperate TOCs per subboks exist
in FM.

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133
   

On 23-Feb-15 9:24 PM, Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1) wrote:

Happy Monday!

 

What is the best way to set up multiple TOCs in the same book? I have a book
containing 16 languages, with each language having its own TOC.  I need each
of the 16 TOCs to display Heading 1s and Heading 2s in their own language
only. I can generate multiple TOCs in my book, but my trouble is that each
TOC shows me ALL the Heading 1s and Heading 2s in my book, so I get all 16
languages in each TOC. I can easily delete them from each of the 16 TOC
files, but they come back every time I update the book. 

 

The only thing I can think of doing is changing my Paragraph Tags in each
language. So I'd have Heading 1_eng, Heading 1_fre, Heading 1_spa, etc. And
then I'd have to apply those to every heading 1 and 2 in every one of my
languages. That's a lot of work. There must be an easier way, right?

 

Thanks,

Alan

 

 

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RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Arnis over on the forums suggested working from the bottom up on these book of 
books scenarios - create the generated matter in the sub-books first & then do 
the top level book last. Have you done that & still have no success Rick?

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Sent: February-24-15 8:18 AM
To: 'Shmuel'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book

Conceptually, sub-books--each containing their own TOC--should work, but when 
you make a PDF from the master book, the generated files in each sub-book don't 
appear in the PDF. I haven't figured out why, but have confirmed it in my tests.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-366-4017
r...@frameexpert.com



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To: Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1); 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book

You could put each language in one file and create a local TOC in each file. 
You also might be able to use subbooks and make TOCs for each subbook, but I've 
never used subbooks, so I don't know if seperate TOCs per subboks exist in FM.

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

On 23-Feb-15 9:24 PM, Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1) wrote:
Happy Monday!

What is the best way to set up multiple TOCs in the same book? I have a book 
containing 16 languages, with each language having its own TOC.  I need each of 
the 16 TOCs to display Heading 1s and Heading 2s in their own language only. I 
can generate multiple TOCs in my book, but my trouble is that each TOC shows me 
ALL the Heading 1s and Heading 2s in my book, so I get all 16 languages in each 
TOC. I can easily delete them from each of the 16 TOC files, but they come back 
every time I update the book.

The only thing I can think of doing is changing my Paragraph Tags in each 
language. So I'd have Heading 1_eng, Heading 1_fre, Heading 1_spa, etc. And 
then I'd have to apply those to every heading 1 and 2 in every one of my 
languages. That's a lot of work. There must be an easier way, right?

Thanks,
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RE: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book

[Rick Quatro]

Conceptually, sub-books--each containing their own TOC--should work, but
when you make a PDF from the master book, the generated files in each
sub-book don't appear in the PDF. I haven't figured out why, but have
confirmed it in my tests.

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:56 AM
To: Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1); framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book

 

You could put each language in one file and create a local TOC in each file.
You also might be able to use subbooks and make TOCs for each subbook, but
I've never used subbooks, so I don't know if seperate TOCs per subboks exist
in FM.

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133
   

On 23-Feb-15 9:24 PM, Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1) wrote:

Happy Monday!

 

What is the best way to set up multiple TOCs in the same book? I have a book
containing 16 languages, with each language having its own TOC.  I need each
of the 16 TOCs to display Heading 1s and Heading 2s in their own language
only. I can generate multiple TOCs in my book, but my trouble is that each
TOC shows me ALL the Heading 1s and Heading 2s in my book, so I get all 16
languages in each TOC. I can easily delete them from each of the 16 TOC
files, but they come back every time I update the book. 

 

The only thing I can think of doing is changing my Paragraph Tags in each
language. So I'd have Heading 1_eng, Heading 1_fre, Heading 1_spa, etc. And
then I'd have to apply those to every heading 1 and 2 in every one of my
languages. That's a lot of work. There must be an easier way, right?

 

Thanks,

Alan

 






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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Ya'll need to stay plugged into the Adobe FM forum - lots of announcements 
there ;>)

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Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

So far, it seems to be working. I updated a largish book with about 15 files 
inside, and created a new PDF, etc., without issues.

But, I didn't check to see if the RGB/CMYK option selection issue during the 
PDF output was fixed or not.

Z

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I have not seen any announcement on it - just realized it was there myself. 
I'll install it and give it a try.

Z

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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 2:58 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Hi:

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015 
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was notified 
- or was the List notified?

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it 
stable?

Alison
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Re: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book

[Shmuel]

  
  
You could put each language in one file and create a local TOC in
each file. You also might be able to use subbooks and make TOCs for
each subbook, but I've never used subbooks, so I don't know if
seperate TOCs per subboks exist in FM.

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133
   

On 23-Feb-15 9:24 PM, Alan Salo (Ariens
  Plant 1) wrote:


  
  
  
  
Happy Monday!
 
What is the best way to set up multiple
  TOCs in the same book? I have a book containing 16 languages,
  with each language having its own TOC.  I need each of the 16
  TOCs to display Heading 1s and Heading 2s in their own
  language only. I can generate multiple TOCs in my book, but my
  trouble is that each TOC shows me ALL the Heading 1s and
  Heading 2s in my book, so I get all 16 languages in each TOC.
  I can easily delete them from each of the 16 TOC files, but
  they come back every time I update the book. 
 
The only thing I can think of doing is
  changing my Paragraph Tags in each language. So I’d have
  Heading 1_eng, Heading 1_fre, Heading 1_spa, etc. And then I’d
  have to apply those to every heading 1 and 2 in every one of
  my languages. That’s a lot of work. There must be an easier
  way, right?
 
Thanks,
Alan
 
  
  
  
  
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Re: Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book

[Shmuel]

  
  
You could put each language in one file and create a local TOC in
each file. You also might be able to use subbooks and make TOCs for
each subbook, but I've never used subbooks, so I don't know if
separate TOCs per subboks exist in FM.

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133
   

On 23-Feb-15 9:24 PM, Alan Salo (Ariens
  Plant 1) wrote:


  
  
  
  
Happy Monday!
 
What is the best way to set up multiple
  TOCs in the same book? I have a book containing 16 languages,
  with each language having its own TOC.  I need each of the 16
  TOCs to display Heading 1s and Heading 2s in their own
  language only. I can generate multiple TOCs in my book, but my
  trouble is that each TOC shows me ALL the Heading 1s and
  Heading 2s in my book, so I get all 16 languages in each TOC.
  I can easily delete them from each of the 16 TOC files, but
  they come back every time I update the book. 
 
The only thing I can think of doing is
  changing my Paragraph Tags in each language. So I’d have
  Heading 1_eng, Heading 1_fre, Heading 1_spa, etc. And then I’d
  have to apply those to every heading 1 and 2 in every one of
  my languages. That’s a lot of work. There must be an easier
  way, right?
 
Thanks,
Alan
 
  
  
  
  
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