Framemaker classes?

[Dave Kerschbaum]

Hi all,

I'll be leaving my current position as a lone writer in a couple weeks and
want to make the transition as smooth as possible for the next person in
this position. Does anyone know of any decent FrameMaker classes or other
training that might be available to a company in the Great Lakes region?

Thanks,
dave.
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Resend: Location for Job Opening: Long-Term Contract Publications Production

[Anna Paganelli]

 I forgot to mention that this is for San Jose. And is actually a very
nice and not-crazy-with-unrealistic-deadlines place to work.

Anna

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Subject: Job Opening: Long-Term Contract Publications Production 

Long-Term Contract Publications Production Opening Average 30 hours/week
To start: April 2007   
 
Job Description:
Need detail oriented, self starter to build and deliver HTML help and
PDF documentation for a software group within Cadence. You'll create
production-ready files from writers' FrameMaker source, and create
WebWorks Help, ASCII Help, and PDF deliverables for releases using
FrameMaker, UNIX scripts, WebWorks Publisher and Automap, and Acrobat.  
As needed, maintain templates and troubleshoot FrameMaker problems for
writers. 
Depending on your skill set, you might also create figures and
illustrations, update scripts, or assist with writing tasks.  
Later, you'll help convert FrameMaker files to XML-DITA (authoring tool
unknown at this time).
 
Experience Needed:
- 5+ years as a production editor or equivalent job title
- Thorough knowledge of FrameMaker, including knowledge of MIF, and
FrameMaker utilities and add-ons such as IXgen
- Experience with Adobe Acrobat, including Distiller
- Experience maintaining FrameMaker templates
- Experience creating HTML help using WebWorks products
- Experienced on both PC and UNIX environments
- Able to read and modify UNIX shell scripts Ability to write scripts
from scratch is a plus.
Knowledge of XML and/or experience with XML tools is a plus.
Experience with Photoshop is a plus.
 
Other Requirements:
- Able to handle multiple tasks and changes to processes at the same
time (stress)
- Able to flex a nearly full-time schedule to meet the needs of the
department, and
  take time off when things aren't so busy
 
Please contact Amy Witherow at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more information.

 
 
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RE: Job Opening: Long-Term Contract Publications Production

[Anna Paganelli]

Hi Hedley,
 
I'm not sure why you responded so vehemently to this, though I do
understand, and agree in principle, that contract part-time jobs can be
and often are detrimental to the worker. That isn't always the case,
though. Some people, myself included for the last 10-15 years, like to
have a shorter work week, as we are equally or more involved in other
parts of our lives. Speaking for myself, I am able to do all of the
tasks involved in this job and more, but don't have a desire to do it
for even 30 hours a week---not because the company is a bad place to
work (in fact, I enjoy it quite a bit), but because I like the rest of
the work activities in my life. There are others out there who also
prefer this, and for whom it would be a good match, as it has been for
others. 
 
If you have questions about it and want to talk offline, please feel
free to contact me.
 
Anna Paganelli




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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:28 PM
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Subject: Re: Job Opening: Long-Term Contract Publications
Production



I can also walk on water and charge only $780/hour.  As it
happens, I have used FM since v. 3.0 on Sun OpenLook, Solaris, HP-UX,
Macintosh, and Windows, wrote UNIX scripts to capture and automatically
size screen shots, have about 30 FM plug-ins, including IXgen, IndexRef,
etc., and have used mif2go to generate online help and HTML. But if you
imagine that I or anyone else with similar skills are slaveys that can
be turned on and off like a tap, you are making a big mistake.  You
truly deserve anybody who goes to work for you on the conditions you
propose.  Ever consider that people might be doing some other work for
someone else in the 10-15 hours per week beyond your 30 hours?  Are they
going to drop that and come in whenever at your whim?  Get real. 
--
Hedley Finger
Training Content Developer and Tools Specialist
MYOB Australia Pty Ltd http://myob.com/au
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151
Australia
mailto:hedleyDOTfingerATmyobDOTcom
Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

(c) MYOB Technology Pty Ltd 2007 



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cc:Amy Witherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject:Job Opening: Long-Term Contract Publications
Production



Long-Term Contract Publications Production Opening
Average 30 hours/week
To start: April 2007   

Job Description:
Need detail oriented, self starter to build and deliver HTML
help and
PDF documentation for a software group within Cadence. You'll
create
production-ready files from writers' FrameMaker source, and
create
WebWorks Help, ASCII Help, and PDF deliverables for releases
using
FrameMaker, UNIX scripts, WebWorks Publisher and Automap, and
Acrobat.  
As needed, maintain templates and troubleshoot FrameMaker
problems for
writers. 
Depending on your skill set, you might also create figures and
illustrations, update scripts, or assist with writing tasks.  
Later, you'll help convert FrameMaker files to XML-DITA
(authoring tool
unknown at this time).

Experience Needed:
- 5+ years as a production editor or equivalent job title
- Thorough knowledge of FrameMaker, including knowledge of MIF,
and
FrameMaker utilities and add-ons such as IXgen
- Experience with Adobe Acrobat, including Distiller
- Experience maintaining FrameMaker templates
- Experience creating HTML help using WebWorks products
- Experienced on both PC and UNIX environments
- Able to read and modify UNIX shell scripts
Ability to write scripts from scratch is a plus.
Knowledge of XML and/or experience with XML tools is a plus.
Experience with Photoshop is a plus.

Other Requirements:
- Able to handle multiple tasks and changes to processes at the
same
time (stress)
- Able to flex a nearly full-time schedule to meet the needs of
the
department, and
 take time off when things aren't so busy

Please contact Amy Witherow at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more
information.



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Re: anticipating a move to Structured Frame

[russ]

Yves (and Milan),

I'd like to point out that structured Frame does not necessarily mean 
topic-based authoring, XML, information mapping, or DITA. You can get lots of 
benefit from it without any of those things. I think that when you present 
structured Frame in this light, you misrepresent the product somewhat.

Paradigm shifts and all those things the DITA camp seems to believe are a bit 
frightening to the average author, and for good reason. You can use structured 
Frame for these advanced types of applications, but it's important for people 
to know that they don't have to.  If one thinks that structured Frame requires 
a paradigm shift, s/he is much less likely to switch over, and will thus miss 
out on the potential for some real benefits.

Russ



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This is how I've done it:

  1. Learn topic-based authoring, for example by taking some classes in
  structured writing or Information Mapping (IMAP).
  2. Design Frame templates that support topic-based authoring.
  3. Learn XML, at least XML for authors (not XML for developers).
  4. Learn DITA and download and install the DITA Application Pack for
  FrameMaker 7.2.
  5. Write a paradigm shift guide (which is what I'm doing now):
  you'll have to start thinking in terms of elements and attributes, not
  styles (or paragraph tags). The idea of my paradigm shift guide is to list
  and describe all the components (paragraph tags, variables, condition
  tags, table tags etc.) in my unstructured FrameMaker template and relate
  them to their respective DITA counterparts (if possible). For example, my
  template has the styles cellheading and cellbody for text in tables. In
  DITA, you just have the element stentry for this purpose. The formatting
  (style) of the element stentry depends on its position: in body cells, it
  will use the style table.cell.body; in heading cells, it will use 
  table.cell.head.left. Another example: my unstructured template has
  the character tag control, which I used in software manuals to refer to
  text of user controls, such as menu commands, dialog box titles, button
  names etc. And, lo and behold, DITA has the element uicontrol for this
  purpose. So I changed the name of the character tag control to uicontrol
  in my unstructured Frame template. People who use my unstructured Frame
  template are already familiar with uicontrol and they immediately
  understand the meaning and usage of the DITA uicontrol element.

Hope this helps a bit.

Good luck



-- 
Yves Barbion
Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor



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Re: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[Milan Davidovic]

--- Marcus Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Why do you want to go to structured data?

Good question (and good thoughts on the question), but
that's a different topic. For the purposes of this
topic, let's imagine that the reasons are sound.

And in case I forget to mention it later, thanks for
all your answers.

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Re: anticipating a move to Structured Frame

[Chris Borokowski]

Among other news, getting data into one structured
format makes it much easier to convert to others
later.

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 Paradigm shifts and all those things the DITA camp
 seems to believe are a bit frightening to the
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 structured Frame for these advanced types of
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RE: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[Ridder, Fred]

But the point remains that the best way to prepare 
depends greatly on what your goals and objectives
are. Just as one example, if you are not planning
to adopt topic-oriented authoring and topic-level
reuse, then spending time learning about DITA
would be a digression rather than progress toward
whatever your real objective is. 

There are many different things that can be accomplished
by the implementation and use of structure, and it
is not necessary to know a lot about the techniques
and workflows that don't relate to your specific business
need.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
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Subject: Re: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

--- Marcus Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Why do you want to go to structured data?

Good question (and good thoughts on the question), but
that's a different topic. For the purposes of this
topic, let's imagine that the reasons are sound.

And in case I forget to mention it later, thanks for
all your answers.

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RE: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[Milan Davidovic]

--- Ridder, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 But the point remains that the best way to prepare 
 depends greatly on what your goals and objectives
 are.

Would it be possible to discuss good ways rather
than best ones and keep it all at a fairly high
level?

Or perhaps everything at the high level has already
been said and we can move on.

Thanks...

PS. Structrued... I just saw that: ack!

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RE: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[Chris Borokowski]

One reason many of us are strong supporters of best
practices is that it not only gets users working
faster, but provides a better introduction to the
complete theory of how to use a tool.

--- Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Would it be possible to discuss good ways rather
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RE: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[John Sgammato]

Fred said:

But the point remains that the best way to prepare depends greatly on what your 
goals and objectives are. Just as one example, if you are not planning to adopt 
topic-oriented authoring and topic-level reuse, then spending time learning 
about DITA would be a digression rather than progress toward whatever your real 
objective is.

There are many different things that can be accomplished by the implementation 
and use of structure, and it is not necessary to know a lot about the 
techniques and workflows that don't relate to your specific business need.

**

I think the single biggest obstacle to my adoption of Structured FrameMaker has 
been exactly this sort of discussion. I have searched and searched and failed 
to find a straightforward high-level doc that tells me what the project is 
based on my business needs. 

It would make a fabulous Intercom article for STC members. In truth, it is up 
to Adobe, which has failed egregiously by producing a product and failing to 
market it (but there is no need to flog that dead horse again). 

All I need is an article that introduces the various concepts and tells me 
which structure concepts belong in my project and which I can safely ignore for 
now: 

Structured authoring can do many things. Here are some case studies. 

Alice needs A; here is an effective solution for A, using DITA. 

Ben needs B; here is an effective solution for B, using DocBook. 

Charlie needs C; here is an effective solution for C, using a modified DITA 
with this special XSLT. 

Anna B. Carruthers need D; here is an effective solution for D,  

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Re: Framemaker classes?

[d . mossfritch]

Morning Dave,

If you mean the Chicago area of the Great Lakes, you might take a look at 
http://www.ledet.com/training/software/adobe/framemaker/ . Never used the 
organization, but with our prior FrameMaker trainer gone I was looking the 
other day and found this group.

Best,

 Denise L. Moss-Fritch

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 Hi all, 
 
 I'll be leaving my current position as a lone writer in a couple weeks and 
 want to make the transition as smooth as possible for the next person in 
 this position. Does anyone know of any decent FrameMaker classes or other 
 training that might be available to a company in the Great Lakes region? 
 
 Thanks, 
 dave. 
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RE: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[John Sgammato]

I agree - I do not need to know THE answer; I need to know AN answer that will 
do the trick. 
But all I get are:
* Offerings from vendors claiming to be THE answer for all my needs even when 
they don't know what my needs may be.
* Endless extensive discussions from knowledgeable folk who tell me all the 
grand glory of structure, but no answers at all.  
 



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To: Frame Users
Subject: RE: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame



One reason many of us are strong supporters of best
practices is that it not only gets users working
faster, but provides a better introduction to the
complete theory of how to use a tool.

--- Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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RE: Framemaker classes?

[Sales at Bright Path]

Hi Dave:

Bright Path Solutions holds classes regularly in our North Carolina location
(structured and regular/unstructured FrameMaker). We also hold classes in
various cities throughout the US and Canada.

We also occassionally hold classes in conjunction with organizations like
the Society for Technical Communication.  I believe we have some training
coming up with the STC in Rochester, NY, for example.  If you have a local
organization with members interested in a local FrameMaker class, we'd be
happy to speak with their organizer regarding options we offer for a class
close to home.

Our general information is online at
http://www.brightpathsolutions.com/pages/services/training/adobe.html and
each class' page includes date/location information.  If you have questions
regarding our class content or locations, please feel free to contact me.



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Hi all,

I'll be leaving my current position as a lone writer in a couple weeks and
want to make the transition as smooth as possible for the next person in
this position. Does anyone know of any decent FrameMaker classes or other
training that might be available to a company in the Great Lakes region?

Thanks,
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Re: anticipating a move to Structured Frame

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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'd like to point out that structured Frame does not
 necessarily mean topic-based authoring, XML,
 information mapping, or DITA. You can get lots of
 benefit from it without any of those things.

Such as facilitating compliance with house style?


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Styles not appearing in ePublisher

[Nantel, Elise]

Hi Framers,

I've just installed the full WebWorks ePublisher suite (Pro, Express and
Automap). When I generate a project from a FM book, I don't get any
styles (Paragraph, Character, etc.) in the Style Designer, in ePublisher
Pro. I only get the [Prototype] value. My other colleagues, with similar
installations, see the complet list of styles for the same project. Do
you have any idea on how to solve this issue?

And by the way, I haven't found a specific ePublisher/WebWorks user list
on Google. Do you know of one?

I'm on Windows XP; FM 7.0; ePublisher 9.2.

Thanks in advance,

---
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Verint Systems Inc.
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RE: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[Daniel Emory]

--- John Sgammato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 But the point remains that the best way to prepare
 depends greatly on what your goals and objectives
 are. Just as one example, if you are not planning to
 adopt topic-oriented authoring and topic-level
 reuse, then spending time learning about DITA would
 be a digression rather than progress toward whatever
 your real objective is.
 
 There are many different things that can be
 accomplished by the implementation and use of
 structure, and it is not necessary to know a lot
 about the techniques and workflows that don't relate
 to your specific business need.
==
The trouble is business needs tend to change.
Information reuse, topic-level authoring, content
management systems, the capability to deliver to a
user exactly what the user needs to perform a
particular task, and the addition of metadata
(attributes) to further facilitate infomation
management have enormous potential, and some or all of
these reatures are likely to become future
requirements in your companies busines model.

Unstructured docs do not fit well in those future
models for many reasons, and conversion of
unstructured docs to structured ones is usually an
onerous and unsatisfactory process.

So, it makes sense to initially select (or
develop)adopt a DTD/schema which is adaptable to
likely (or even possible) future business
requirements. Otherwise, down the line, you are likely
to face an embarassing fiasco.

Although there are many advantages to structure, the
most compelling reason to move in that direction is
that it anticipates the almost certain capability for
assured information reuse, topic-level authoring, and
content management. Therefore, it makes sense to to
initially select a DTD/schema whose design facilitates
future possibilities.
==



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RE: anticipating a move to Structured Frame

[Mike Feimster]

snipSuch as facilitating compliance with house style? /snip

Yes. It is much more difficult (some would say impossible) to use ad hoc
styling in structured Frame.

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 I'd like to point out that structured Frame does not
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 information mapping, or DITA. You can get lots of
 benefit from it without any of those things.

Such as facilitating compliance with house style?


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Re: Styles not appearing in ePublisher

[Chris Borokowski]

Try WWP-users?

http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/wwp-users/

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Translation question

[Gillian Flato]

Guys,
 
A VP at my company wants to hire a person whose main job functions are
the following:
 
Translate technical writing docs to Korean
Train the Korean FSE's on the procedures in the docs.
 
He also wants the same position for Japanese.
 
Any idea the type of salary this person would command? Know anyone who
qualifies?
 
He thinks this would be cheaper than using a translation house since we
have thousands of procedures that need translation and more efficient
since the person would also be a trainer.
 

Thank you,

 

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr. 

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.435.9600 x 316

7  408.232.5911

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Re: Translation question

[Sarah O'Keefe]

Let's see.

* Bilingual Korean-English (or Japanese-English)
* capable of translating proprietary technologies in optics, software
and systems integration designed to meet the process control
requirements of today’s advanced semiconductor technologies (I don't
think I even understand that in English!!)
* capable of training people on the above

Does this person even exist in the universe?

I'm going to go with, They would be very very very expensive. :-)

Also, I'm pretty sure that your VP is mistaken. Like tech writers, a lot
of translators are pretty introverted. Most trainers are pretty
extroverted. Rare to find someone who would enjoy both kinds of work.
This sounds like two different people to me.

Sarah

Gillian Flato wrote:
 Guys,
  
 A VP at my company wants to hire a person whose main job functions are
 the following:
  
 Translate technical writing docs to Korean
 Train the Korean FSE's on the procedures in the docs.
  
 He also wants the same position for Japanese.
  
 Any idea the type of salary this person would command? Know anyone who
 qualifies?
  
 He thinks this would be cheaper than using a translation house since we
 have thousands of procedures that need translation and more efficient
 since the person would also be a trainer.
  
 
 Thank you,
 
  
 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 Gillian Flato
 
 Technical Writer (Software)
 
 nanometrics
 
 1550 Buckeye Dr. 
 
 Milpitas, CA. 95035
 
 (408.435.9600 x 316
 
 7  408.232.5911
 
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RE: Translation question

[John Sgammato]

unbidden from some dark corner of my mind, the memory
I'm looking for a man who plays alto and baritone, doubles on  the clarinet, 
and wears a size 37 suit.
I have no idea where I remember that from. 
But whoever said it may be related to your VP...



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Gillian Flato
Sent: Fri 3/16/2007 6:19 PM
To: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: Translation question



Guys,

A VP at my company wants to hire a person whose main job functions are
the following:

Translate technical writing docs to Korean
Train the Korean FSE's on the procedures in the docs.

He also wants the same position for Japanese.

Any idea the type of salary this person would command? Know anyone who
qualifies?

He thinks this would be cheaper than using a translation house since we
have thousands of procedures that need translation and more efficient
since the person would also be a trainer.


Thank you,



mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr.

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.435.9600 x 316

7  408.232.5911

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .com
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Re: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[mcarr]

Fred said:

 But the point remains that the best way to prepare depends greatly on
 what your goals and objectives are.

... and went on to make several other excellent points.

John said:

 I think the single biggest obstacle to my adoption of Structured
 FrameMaker has been exactly this sort of discussion. I have searched
 and searched and failed to find a straightforward high-level doc that
 tells me what the project is based on my business needs.

That's because structure is a toolbox, not a product. If it was a product
it would be fair to ask how do I use it?, but it's not fair to decry a
toolbox because it has no manual describing what it can fix. If you don't
understand what you're trying to fix, then get a mechanic. (Okay, I've
worn out the metaphor.)

I recommend that people get a consultant for this stuff not only because
I'm occasionally a consultant, but because in 15 years of SGML and XML
projects, I've seen endless heartbreaking failures.

 All I need is an article that introduces the various concepts and tells
 me which structure concepts belong in my project and which I can safely
 ignore for now:

In order to establish which concepts belong in your project, you need
first to evaluate the requirements and capabilities of your organisation,
for example:

 o the capability of current staff, as well as the will to replace them
   if required,
 o the long-term requirements for data handling and use,
 o migration strategies from current systems,
 o ROI,
 o evaluation of emerging technical directions in data management,

These are corporate decisions - once you get them sorted out, you could
start looking at which concepts belong in your project, but as I'm sure
you'd appreciate, the value of the advice is diluting quickly based on the
corporate uncertainty.

 Structured authoring can do many things. Here are some case studies.

 Alice needs A; here is an effective solution for A, using DITA.

If it was that easy to decide on a strategy, then we wouldn't be having
this discussion. The reason that these articles don't exist is that anyone
with sufficient experience to write one knows that it would be
irresponsible to do so. It would mislead people.

Here's a real-world case study:

The Australian DoD was in the market for some new helicopters. They
settled on the Tiger from Eurocopter. One attraction was that the
documentation would be delivered in S1000D format - a standard for
SGML/XML data that the Australians are also very keen on. Perfect fit,
right? Pretty much, except that there were a couple of discrepancies in
the data. S1000D provides for modules to be nested at various depths. The
Aussies settled on two depths but the portion of the data that came from
France was nested to three levels, requiring transformation to try to
shoe-horn into two levels. Oh yeah, after they translated all of the text
out of French. Yep, they forgot to agree on the language that it would be
delivered in.

Saying that Dennis used DITA and Doris used DocBook is about as useful as
saying that today it's sunny in both Honalulu and Antarctica. It's the
details that kill you.


Marcus
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Re: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[mcarr]

John wrote:

 But all I get are:

 * Offerings from vendors claiming to be THE answer for all my needs
even when they don't know what my needs may be.

Yes, that fits the profile of a vendor all right.

 * Endless extensive discussions from knowledgeable folk who tell me
   all the grand glory of structure, but no answers at all.

Hmmm, sounds like a worldwide conspiracy to keep knowledge from the person
on the street. I feel a bit hurt - those damned knowledgeable folk never
include me in their evil plots... :-)


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Re: Translation question

[quills]

Gillian,

Your VP doesn't want one those jobs done. There are more than enough 
man-hours to be full-time at either one of those positions. So which 
doesn't he want done, translation or training?


Robert McNamara insisted on making the F111 a triple mission 
aircraft, reconnaissance, fighter, bomber. As a result the poor thing 
did three things equally poorly. Combining missions doesn't 
necessarily mean cost-effectiveness, savings, or efficiency.


Scott

At 3:19 PM -0700 3/16/07, Gillian Flato wrote:

Guys,

A VP at my company wants to hire a person whose main job functions are
the following:

Translate technical writing docs to Korean
Train the Korean FSE's on the procedures in the docs.

He also wants the same position for Japanese.

Any idea the type of salary this person would command? Know anyone who
qualifies?

He thinks this would be cheaper than using a translation house since we
have thousands of procedures that need translation and more efficient
since the person would also be a trainer.


Thank you,

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RE: Translation question

[Ann Zdunczyk]

I agree with the others, you are looking for 2 people.

One to handle the translation and one to train. Your trainer should
definitely be bilingual. Another thing that has not been mentioned is that
the person or persons translating the documentation has to understand the
technology that they are dealing with.

Not sure why your VP thinks it would be cheaper to hire a person to handle
the translation rather than using a translation house since the trend over
the last 10 years or so has been to go the other way. I started out, in this
business, with a company that had their own in-house translation and DTP
group, later on this group was downsized and the translation and dtp was out
sourced, leaving only project management and a very small group of
translators in-house.


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To: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: Translation question

Guys,
 
A VP at my company wants to hire a person whose main job functions are the
following:
 
Translate technical writing docs to Korean Train the Korean FSE's on the
procedures in the docs.
 
He also wants the same position for Japanese.
 
Any idea the type of salary this person would command? Know anyone who
qualifies?
 
He thinks this would be cheaper than using a translation house since we have
thousands of procedures that need translation and more efficient since the
person would also be a trainer.
 

Thank you,

 

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr. 

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.435.9600 x 316

7  408.232.5911

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Re: Translation question

[Whites]

I count about 2 1/2 people for each language -not counting the training.

The 1/2 is the type who has experience with translation projects and  
knows the technology who dejargonizes the English original to ease  
the translation process..


Then there is the translator in the home country (Korea) who has been  
educated in Korean in the technology. (Thus, no literature grads  
translating electronics docs.)


Finally, the American-based counterpart who reads Korean and who can  
verify that everything is in place.


My experience is that local resources who know the technology but  
haven't been educated in the home country generally suffer from  
severe linguistic corruption (Chinglish, Spanglish, or whatever the  
equivalent would be for Korean and Japanese).  And the people who  
know the technology but who are not professional translators just let  
too much slip through the cracks.


Sorry for your VP - but if it's going to be done right, it'll cost  
some serious bucks - especially for the first few docs.


will white

On Mar 16, 2007, at 3:19 PM, Gillian Flato wrote:


Guys,

A VP at my company wants to hire a person whose main job functions are
the following:

Translate technical writing docs to Korean
Train the Korean FSE's on the procedures in the docs.

He also wants the same position for Japanese.

Any idea the type of salary this person would command? Know anyone who
qualifies?

He thinks this would be cheaper than using a translation house  
since we

have thousands of procedures that need translation and more efficient
since the person would also be a trainer.


Thank you,



mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr.

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.435.9600 x 316

7  408.232.5911

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anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[Marcus Carr]

Milan Davidovic wrote:

> I'm looking for resources or advice on how to start
> working in unstructured Frame in anticipation of a
> move to Structured Frame.
> 
> Let's imagine you're working in unstructured Frame,
> and that present circumstances prevent you from making
> the switch to Structured Frame. However, those
> circumstances could be quickly lifted; if so, you'd
> have a brief window to move to Structured Frame and
> get it working.

Why do you want to go to structured data? Is it because you believe that 
you can document more efficiently, or because your organisation has 
requirements to use the data in ways not currently possible? If it's the 
former and you're judicious about using styles and maintaining 
consistency, you shouldn't have too many problems. All the same, check 
with any other potential users of the data within your organisation to 
ensure that you'll be able to satisfy their structural requirements, or 
at least make sure that you're not doing anything against their possible 
requirements.

If it's the latter, then start hassling the IT department for their DTD 
or schema, for without it, you can't do anything. You might take a punt 
on what the structure will look like, but you'll almost certainly end up 
reworking your data later after heated debate about the merits of both 
approaches, driven mainly by neither side wishing to modify their own work.

It is often overlooked on this list for obvious reasons, but the primary 
purposes of structured data usually has precious little to do with the 
creation of printed pages. Basing a strategy for structured data on an 
existing FrameMaker application is often a case of the tail wagging the dog.


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Job Opening: Long-Term Contract Publications Production

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

I can also walk on water and charge only $780/hour.  As it happens, I have 
used FM since v. 3.0 on Sun OpenLook, Solaris, HP-UX, Macintosh, and 
Windows, wrote UNIX scripts to capture and automatically size screen 
shots, have about 30 FM plug-ins, including IXgen, IndexRef, etc., and 
have used mif2go to generate online help and HTML. But if you imagine that 
I or anyone else with similar skills are slaveys that can be turned on and 
off like a tap, you are making a big mistake.  You truly deserve anybody 
who goes to work for you on the conditions you propose.  Ever consider 
that people might be doing some other work for someone else in the 10-15 
hours per week beyond your 30 hours?  Are they going to drop that and come 
in whenever at your whim?  Get real.
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P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
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Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

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15/03/2007 06:53 PM

To: 
cc: Amy Witherow 
Subject:Job Opening: Long-Term Contract Publications 
Production


Long-Term Contract Publications Production Opening
Average 30 hours/week
To start: April 2007 

Job Description:
Need detail oriented, self starter to build and deliver HTML help and
PDF documentation for a software group within Cadence. You'll create
production-ready files from writers' FrameMaker source, and create
WebWorks Help, ASCII Help, and PDF deliverables for releases using
FrameMaker, UNIX scripts, WebWorks Publisher and Automap, and Acrobat. 
As needed, maintain templates and troubleshoot FrameMaker problems for
writers. 
Depending on your skill set, you might also create figures and
illustrations, update scripts, or assist with writing tasks. 
Later, you'll help convert FrameMaker files to XML-DITA (authoring tool
unknown at this time).

Experience Needed:
- 5+ years as a production editor or equivalent job title
- Thorough knowledge of FrameMaker, including knowledge of MIF, and
FrameMaker utilities and add-ons such as IXgen
- Experience with Adobe Acrobat, including Distiller
- Experience maintaining FrameMaker templates
- Experience creating HTML help using WebWorks products
- Experienced on both PC and UNIX environments
- Able to read and modify UNIX shell scripts
Ability to write scripts from scratch is a plus.
Knowledge of XML and/or experience with XML tools is a plus.
Experience with Photoshop is a plus.

Other Requirements:
- Able to handle multiple tasks and changes to processes at the same
time (stress)
- Able to flex a nearly full-time schedule to meet the needs of the
department, and
  take time off when things aren't so busy

Please contact Amy Witherow at amyw at cadence.com for more information.



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anticipating a move to Structured Frame

[r...@weststreetconsulting.com]

Yves (and Milan),

I'd like to point out that structured Frame does not necessarily mean 
topic-based authoring, XML, information mapping, or DITA. You can get lots of 
benefit from it without any of those things. I think that when you present 
structured Frame in this light, you misrepresent the product somewhat.

"Paradigm shifts" and all those things the DITA camp seems to believe are a bit 
frightening to the average author, and for good reason. You can use structured 
Frame for these advanced types of applications, but it's important for people 
to know that they don't have to.  If one thinks that structured Frame requires 
a paradigm shift, s/he is much less likely to switch over, and will thus miss 
out on the potential for some real benefits.

Russ



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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:36:33 +0100
From: "Yves Barbion" 
Subject: Re: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame
To: framers at frameusers.com, dita-users at yahoogroups.com
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This is how I've done it:

  1. Learn topic-based authoring, for example by taking some classes in
  structured writing or Information Mapping (IMAP).
  2. Design Frame templates that support topic-based authoring.
  3. Learn XML, at least XML for authors (not XML for developers).
  4. Learn DITA and download and install the DITA Application Pack for
  FrameMaker 7.2.
  5. Write a "paradigm shift guide" (which is what I'm doing now):
  you'll have to start thinking in terms of elements and attributes, not
  styles (or paragraph tags). The idea of my paradigm shift guide is to list
  and describe all the "components" (paragraph tags, variables, condition
  tags, table tags etc.) in my unstructured FrameMaker template and relate
  them to their respective DITA counterparts (if possible). For example, my
  template has the styles "cellheading" and "cellbody" for text in tables. In
  DITA, you just have the element  for this purpose. The formatting
  (style) of the element  depends on its position: in body cells, it
  will use the style "table.cell.body"; in heading cells, it will use "
  table.cell.head.left". Another example: my unstructured template has
  the character tag "control", which I used in software manuals to refer to
  text of "user controls", such as menu commands, dialog box titles, button
  names etc. And, lo and behold, DITA has the element  for this
  purpose. So I changed the name of the character tag "control" to "uicontrol"
  in my unstructured Frame template. People who use my unstructured Frame
  template are already familiar with "uicontrol" and they immediately
  understand the meaning and usage of the DITA  element.

Hope this helps a bit.

Good luck



-- 
Yves Barbion
Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor

anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[Milan Davidovic]

--- Marcus Carr  wrote:
> Why do you want to go to structured data?

Good question (and good thoughts on the question), but
that's a different topic. For the purposes of this
topic, let's imagine that the reasons are sound.

And in case I forget to mention it later, thanks for
all your answers.

Milan
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anticipating a move to Structured Frame

[Chris Borokowski]

Among other news, getting data into one structured
format makes it much easier to convert to others
later.

--- russ at weststreetconsulting.com wrote:

> "Paradigm shifts" and all those things the DITA camp
> seems to believe are a bit frightening to the
> average author, and for good reason. You can use
> structured Frame for these advanced types of
> applications, but it's important for people to know
> that they don't have to.






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anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[Ridder, Fred]

But the point remains that the best way to prepare 
depends greatly on what your goals and objectives
are. Just as one example, if you are not planning
to adopt topic-oriented authoring and topic-level
reuse, then spending time learning about DITA
would be a digression rather than progress toward
whatever your real objective is. 

There are many different things that can be accomplished
by the implementation and use of structure, and it
is not necessary to know a lot about the techniques
and workflows that don't relate to your specific business
need.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Milan Davidovic
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:09 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Re: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

--- Marcus Carr  wrote:
> Why do you want to go to structured data?

Good question (and good thoughts on the question), but
that's a different topic. For the purposes of this
topic, let's imagine that the reasons are sound.

And in case I forget to mention it later, thanks for
all your answers.

Milan
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758

anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[Milan Davidovic]

--- "Ridder, Fred"  wrote:
> But the point remains that the best way to prepare 
> depends greatly on what your goals and objectives
> are.

Would it be possible to discuss "good" ways rather
than "best" ones and keep it all at a fairly high
level?

Or perhaps everything at the high level has already
been said and we can move on.

Thanks...

PS. "Structrued"... I just saw that: ack!

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anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[Chris Borokowski]

One reason many of us are strong supporters of "best
practices" is that it not only gets users working
faster, but provides a better introduction to the
complete theory of how to use a tool.

--- Milan Davidovic  wrote:

> Would it be possible to discuss "good" ways rather
> than "best" ones and keep it all at a fairly high
> level?







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anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[John Sgammato]

Fred said:

But the point remains that the best way to prepare depends greatly on what your 
goals and objectives are. Just as one example, if you are not planning to adopt 
topic-oriented authoring and topic-level reuse, then spending time learning 
about DITA would be a digression rather than progress toward whatever your real 
objective is.

There are many different things that can be accomplished by the implementation 
and use of structure, and it is not necessary to know a lot about the 
techniques and workflows that don't relate to your specific business need.

**

I think the single biggest obstacle to my adoption of Structured FrameMaker has 
been exactly this sort of discussion. I have searched and searched and failed 
to find a straightforward high-level doc that tells me what the project is 
based on my business needs. 

It would make a fabulous Intercom article for STC members. In truth, it is up 
to Adobe, which has failed egregiously by producing a product and failing to 
market it (but there is no need to flog that dead horse again). 

All I need is an article that introduces the various concepts and tells me 
which structure concepts belong in my project and which I can safely ignore for 
now: 

Structured authoring can do many things. Here are some case studies. 

Alice needs A; here is an effective solution for A, using DITA. 

Ben needs B; here is an effective solution for B, using DocBook. 

Charlie needs C; here is an effective solution for C, using a modified DITA 
with this special XSLT. 

Anna B. Carruthers need D; here is an effective solution for D,  

Framemaker classes?

[d.mossfri...@comcast.net]

Morning Dave,

If you mean the Chicago area of the Great Lakes, you might take a look at 
http://www.ledet.com/training/software/adobe/framemaker/ . Never used the 
organization, but with our prior FrameMaker trainer gone I was looking the 
other day and found this group.

Best,

 Denise L. Moss-Fritch

-- Original message -- 
From: "Dave Kerschbaum"  

> Hi all, 
> 
> I'll be leaving my current position as a lone writer in a couple weeks and 
> want to make the transition as smooth as possible for the next person in 
> this position. Does anyone know of any decent FrameMaker classes or other 
> training that might be available to a company in the Great Lakes region? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> dave. 
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anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[John Sgammato]

I agree - I do not need to know THE answer; I need to know AN answer that will 
do the trick. 
But all I get are:
* Offerings from vendors claiming to be THE answer for all my needs even when 
they don't know what my needs may be.
* Endless extensive discussions from knowledgeable folk who tell me all the 
grand glory of structure, but no answers at all.  




From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of 
Chris Borokowski
Sent: Fri 3/16/2007 10:47 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: RE: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame



One reason many of us are strong supporters of "best
practices" is that it not only gets users working
faster, but provides a better introduction to the
complete theory of how to use a tool.

--- Milan Davidovic  wrote:

> Would it be possible to discuss "good" ways rather
> than "best" ones and keep it all at a fairly high
> level?







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Framemaker classes?

[Sales@Bright Path]

Hi Dave:

Bright Path Solutions holds classes regularly in our North Carolina location
(structured and regular/unstructured FrameMaker). We also hold classes in
various cities throughout the US and Canada.

We also occassionally hold classes in conjunction with organizations like
the Society for Technical Communication.  I believe we have some training
coming up with the STC in Rochester, NY, for example.  If you have a local
organization with members interested in a local FrameMaker class, we'd be
happy to speak with their organizer regarding options we offer for a class
close to home.

Our general information is online at
http://www.brightpathsolutions.com/pages/services/training/adobe.html and
each class' page includes date/location information.  If you have questions
regarding our class content or locations, please feel free to contact me.



Thank you,

Kay


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Bright Path Solutions
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1.919.244.8559
FAX: 1.919.474.9223
URL: http://www.travelthepath.com
Conferences: http://www.travelthepath.com/conf/
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-Original Message-
From: Dave Kerschbaum

Hi all,

I'll be leaving my current position as a lone writer in a couple weeks and
want to make the transition as smooth as possible for the next person in
this position. Does anyone know of any decent FrameMaker classes or other
training that might be available to a company in the Great Lakes region?

Thanks,
dave.

anticipating a move to Structured Frame

[Milan Davidovic]

--- russ at weststreetconsulting.com wrote:
> I'd like to point out that structured Frame does not
> necessarily mean topic-based authoring, XML,
> information mapping, or DITA. You can get lots of
> benefit from it without any of those things.

Such as facilitating compliance with house style?


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Styles not appearing in ePublisher

[Nantel, Elise]

Hi Framers,

I've just installed the full WebWorks ePublisher suite (Pro, Express and
Automap). When I generate a project from a FM book, I don't get any
styles (Paragraph, Character, etc.) in the Style Designer, in ePublisher
Pro. I only get the [Prototype] value. My other colleagues, with similar
installations, see the complet list of styles for the same project. Do
you have any idea on how to solve this issue?

And by the way, I haven't found a specific ePublisher/WebWorks user list
on Google. Do you know of one?

I'm on Windows XP; FM 7.0; ePublisher 9.2.

Thanks in advance,

---
Elise Nantel
Verint Systems Inc.
Phone 450 686-9000 x252
Email elise.nantel at verint.com
www.verint.com


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anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

[Daniel Emory]

--- John Sgammato  wrote: 
> But the point remains that the best way to prepare
> depends greatly on what your goals and objectives
> are. Just as one example, if you are not planning to
> adopt topic-oriented authoring and topic-level
> reuse, then spending time learning about DITA would
> be a digression rather than progress toward whatever
> your real objective is.
> 
> There are many different things that can be
> accomplished by the implementation and use of
> structure, and it is not necessary to know a lot
> about the techniques and workflows that don't relate
> to your specific business need.
==
The trouble is "business needs tend to change.
Information reuse, topic-level authoring, content
management systems, the capability to deliver to a
user exactly what the user needs to perform a
particular task, and the addition of metadata
(attributes) to further facilitate infomation
management have enormous potential, and some or all of
these reatures are likely to become future
requirements in your companies busines model.

Unstructured docs do not fit well in those future
models for many reasons, and conversion of
unstructured docs to structured ones is usually an
onerous and unsatisfactory process.

So, it makes sense to initially select (or
develop)adopt a DTD/schema which is adaptable to
likely (or even possible) future business
requirements. Otherwise, down the line, you are likely
to face an embarassing fiasco.

Although there are many advantages to structure, the
most compelling reason to move in that direction is
that it anticipates the almost certain capability for
assured information reuse, topic-level authoring, and
content management. Therefore, it makes sense to to
initially select a DTD/schema whose design facilitates
future possibilities.
==



Dan Emory & Associates
FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design & Database Publishing

anticipating a move to Structured Frame

[Mike Feimster]

Such as facilitating compliance with house style? 

Yes. It is much more difficult (some would say impossible) to use ad hoc
styling in structured Frame.

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rs.com] On Behalf Of Milan Davidovic
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:52 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: anticipating a move to Structured Frame

--- russ at weststreetconsulting.com wrote:
> I'd like to point out that structured Frame does not
> necessarily mean topic-based authoring, XML,
> information mapping, or DITA. You can get lots of
> benefit from it without any of those things.

Such as facilitating compliance with house style?


Milan
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Styles not appearing in ePublisher

[Chris Borokowski]

Try WWP-users?

http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/wwp-users/

--- "Nantel, Elise"  wrote:

> And by the way, I haven't found a specific
> ePublisher/WebWorks user list
> on Google. Do you know of one?







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Translation question

[Gillian Flato]

Guys,

A VP at my company wants to hire a person whose main job functions are
the following:

Translate technical writing docs to Korean
Train the Korean FSE's on the procedures in the docs.

He also wants the same position for Japanese.

Any idea the type of salary this person would command? Know anyone who
qualifies?

He thinks this would be cheaper than using a translation house since we
have thousands of procedures that need translation and more efficient
since the person would also be a trainer.


Thank you,



 

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr. 

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.435.9600 x 316

7  408.232.5911

* gflato at nanometrics  .com
 

Translation question

[Sarah O'Keefe]

Let's see.

* Bilingual Korean-English (or Japanese-English)
* capable of translating "proprietary technologies in optics, software
and systems integration designed to meet the process control
requirements of today?s advanced semiconductor technologies" (I don't
think I even understand that in English!!)
* capable of training people on the above

Does this person even exist in the universe?

I'm going to go with, "They would be very very very expensive." :-)

Also, I'm pretty sure that your VP is mistaken. Like tech writers, a lot
of translators are pretty introverted. Most trainers are pretty
extroverted. Rare to find someone who would enjoy both kinds of work.
This sounds like two different people to me.

Sarah

Gillian Flato wrote:
> Guys,
>  
> A VP at my company wants to hire a person whose main job functions are
> the following:
>  
> Translate technical writing docs to Korean
> Train the Korean FSE's on the procedures in the docs.
>  
> He also wants the same position for Japanese.
>  
> Any idea the type of salary this person would command? Know anyone who
> qualifies?
>  
> He thinks this would be cheaper than using a translation house since we
> have thousands of procedures that need translation and more efficient
> since the person would also be a trainer.
>  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Gillian Flato
> 
> Technical Writer (Software)
> 
> nanometrics
> 
> 1550 Buckeye Dr. 
> 
> Milpitas, CA. 95035
> 
> (408.435.9600 x 316
> 
> 7  408.232.5911
> 
> * gflato at nanometrics  .com
>  


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Translation question

[John Sgammato]

unbidden from some dark corner of my mind, the memory
"I'm looking for a man who plays alto and baritone, doubles on  the clarinet, 
and wears a size 37 suit."
I have no idea where I remember that from. 
But whoever said it may be related to your VP...



From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of 
Gillian Flato
Sent: Fri 3/16/2007 6:19 PM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Translation question



Guys,

A VP at my company wants to hire a person whose main job functions are
the following:

Translate technical writing docs to Korean
Train the Korean FSE's on the procedures in the docs.

He also wants the same position for Japanese.

Any idea the type of salary this person would command? Know anyone who
qualifies?

He thinks this would be cheaper than using a translation house since we
have thousands of procedures that need translation and more efficient
since the person would also be a trainer.


Thank you,





Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr.

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.435.9600 x 316

7  408.232.5911

* gflato at nanometrics  .com



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Translation question

[qui...@airmail.net]

Gillian,

Your VP doesn't want one those jobs done. There are more than enough 
man-hours to be full-time at either one of those positions. So which 
doesn't he want done, translation or training?

Robert McNamara insisted on making the F111 a triple mission 
aircraft, reconnaissance, fighter, bomber. As a result the poor thing 
did three things equally poorly. Combining missions doesn't 
necessarily mean cost-effectiveness, savings, or efficiency.

Scott

At 3:19 PM -0700 3/16/07, Gillian Flato wrote:
>Guys,
>
>A VP at my company wants to hire a person whose main job functions are
>the following:
>
>Translate technical writing docs to Korean
>Train the Korean FSE's on the procedures in the docs.
>
>He also wants the same position for Japanese.
>
>Any idea the type of salary this person would command? Know anyone who
>qualifies?
>
>He thinks this would be cheaper than using a translation house since we
>have thousands of procedures that need translation and more efficient
>since the person would also be a trainer.
>
>
>Thank you,

Translation question

[Whites]

I count about 2 1/2 people for each language -not counting the training.

The 1/2 is the type who has experience with translation projects and  
knows the technology who dejargonizes the English original to ease  
the translation process..

Then there is the translator in the home country (Korea) who has been  
educated in Korean in the technology. (Thus, no literature grads  
translating electronics docs.)

Finally, the American-based counterpart who reads Korean and who can  
verify that everything is in place.

My experience is that local "resources" who know the technology but  
haven't been educated in the home country generally suffer from  
severe linguistic corruption (Chinglish, Spanglish, or whatever the  
equivalent would be for Korean and Japanese).  And the people who  
know the technology but who are not professional translators just let  
too much slip through the cracks.

Sorry for your VP - but if it's going to be done right, it'll cost  
some serious bucks - especially for the first few docs.

will white

On Mar 16, 2007, at 3:19 PM, Gillian Flato wrote:

> Guys,
>
> A VP at my company wants to hire a person whose main job functions are
> the following:
>
> Translate technical writing docs to Korean
> Train the Korean FSE's on the procedures in the docs.
>
> He also wants the same position for Japanese.
>
> Any idea the type of salary this person would command? Know anyone who
> qualifies?
>
> He thinks this would be cheaper than using a translation house  
> since we
> have thousands of procedures that need translation and more efficient
> since the person would also be a trainer.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> 
>
> Gillian Flato
>
> Technical Writer (Software)
>
> nanometrics
>
> 1550 Buckeye Dr.
>
> Milpitas, CA. 95035
>
> (408.435.9600 x 316
>
> 7  408.232.5911
>
> * gflato at nanometrics  .com
> 
>
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