Re: Odd keyboard behavior

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Jeremy

Are you sure the Smart Quotes feature is dead in FM8? It's still seems to
work fine in my version. I'm using FM 8.0p277 in Windows XP and I get nice
smart single and double quotes.

Cheers



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Yves Barbion • Managing Director • Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
www.scripto.nu
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RE: Text characters missing in printed FrameMaker document or in PDF file

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Marc,

Probably this is caused by a bug caused by Microsoft.
Microsoft published a hotfix some monthgs ago, which
should fix your problem:
http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2008/07/hotfix_for_framemaker_1.html

Before that hotfix the work-around was to remove the
fntcache.dat file. That's no longer needed.

Best regards

Winfried 

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 Subject: Text characters missing in printed FrameMaker 
 document or in PDF file
 
 I have a problem when I print a Framemaker document in a PDF 
 file...  Some
 text is missing in the result.  I have tried a solution 
 giving in a technote
 on the Adobe site
 (http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=324
972sliceId=2),
 that said to Reduce the amount of system fonts in the Windows 
 font control
 panel, but the problem persists...
 
  
 
 I have also tried many solutions mixing versions of 
 Framemaker (7.0, 7.2,
 8.0) and Acrobat (6.0, 7.0, 8.0, 9.0), but found no solutions 
 (I'm working on
 XP SP2).
 
  
 
 Now I'm lost...  Any suggestions ?
 
  
 
 Thanks
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Re: Odd keyboard behavior

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:22:29 +0200, Yves Barbion [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Are you sure the Smart Quotes feature is dead in FM8? It's still seems to
work fine in my version. I'm using FM 8.0p277 in Windows XP and I get nice
smart single and double quotes.

It's never worked for me, and seeing what Frame puts in the MIF,
it's hard to understand how it could work for anyone...  If you
want to send me a Frame file with an example of some you put in
that way, I'll see if there's a difference viewing it here.

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Re: Odd keyboard behavior

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:37:02 -0700, Jeremy H. Griffith 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If you
want to send me a Frame file with an example of some you put in
that way, I'll see if there's a difference viewing it here.

Dr. Winifred Reng sent me one, and provided the clue that nailed
the problem; thank you!

It *is* a Frame 8 bug... but it's fixable in maker.ini.  ;-)

You will find a section there (in the main maker.ini, in
the directory with framemaker.exe) that has these lines:

; Smart Quote Characters
; SmartQuotes \xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3 )  English curved quotes
; SmartQuotes \xe2\xd4\xe3\xd2 )  German-style quotes with base quotes
; SmartQuotes \xd5\xd5\xc7\xc8 )  French-style quotes using guillemets
; SmartQuotes \xd5\xd5\xd3\xd3 )  Swedish- and Finnish-style quotes
; SmartQuotes \xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3 )  Italian curved quotes
;
; English curved quotes:
SmartQuotes=‘’“”

Note that the first set is commented out, and the last line is the
one in effect.  And that's the bug.  The characters there are the
old ANSI ones, so those are what FM8 uses, with the bad results
described before.

So, when *European* users are setting up, they change to the
line needed for their country, German in Dr. Reng's case.  And
those *work*.  (Dr. Reng also changed \xe2 to \x2c to correct
for a font problem in Univers, a missing baseline single quote.)

For those of us using English, then, the fix is:

; English curved quotes:
; SmartQuotes=‘’“”  Get rid of this mistake!!
; These are the right ones (note added equal sign):
SmartQuotes=\xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3

That tells Frame to use its *internally-coded* characters,
and those it knows how to map to the real Unicode characters,
because in the MIF we get UTF-8 that is correct for those.

Thank you, Winfried!  

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Re: Odd keyboard behavior

[Yves Barbion]

Interesting.

I'm a European user and the Smart Quotes section in my maker.ini looks like
this:

; Smart Quote Characters
; SmartQuotes \xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3 )  English curved quotes
; SmartQuotes \xe2\xd4\xe3\xd2 )  German-style quotes with base quotes
; SmartQuotes \xd5\xd5\xc7\xc8 )  French-style quotes using guillemets
; SmartQuotes \xd5\xd5\xd3\xd3 )  Swedish- and Finnish-style quotes
; SmartQuotes \xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3 )  Italian curved quotes
;
; English curved quotes:
SmartQuotes=''

I don't remember changing anything in the maker.ini file, and the smart
quotes work for me. Anyway, it's good to know that it can be fixed, and that
you can even use custom quotes per language.

Thanks to Jeremy and Dr. Reng!

-- 
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu



On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Jeremy H. Griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:37:02 -0700, Jeremy H. Griffith
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you
 want to send me a Frame file with an example of some you put in
 that way, I'll see if there's a difference viewing it here.

 Dr. Winifred Reng sent me one, and provided the clue that nailed
 the problem; thank you!

 It *is* a Frame 8 bug... but it's fixable in maker.ini.  ;-)

 You will find a section there (in the main maker.ini, in
 the directory with framemaker.exe) that has these lines:

 ; Smart Quote Characters
 ; SmartQuotes \xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3 )  English curved quotes
 ; SmartQuotes \xe2\xd4\xe3\xd2 )  German-style quotes with base quotes
 ; SmartQuotes \xd5\xd5\xc7\xc8 )  French-style quotes using guillemets
 ; SmartQuotes \xd5\xd5\xd3\xd3 )  Swedish- and Finnish-style quotes
 ; SmartQuotes \xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3 )  Italian curved quotes
 ;
 ; English curved quotes:
 SmartQuotes=''

 Note that the first set is commented out, and the last line is the
 one in effect.  And that's the bug.  The characters there are the
 old ANSI ones, so those are what FM8 uses, with the bad results
 described before.

 So, when *European* users are setting up, they change to the
 line needed for their country, German in Dr. Reng's case.  And
 those *work*.  (Dr. Reng also changed \xe2 to \x2c to correct
 for a font problem in Univers, a missing baseline single quote.)

 For those of us using English, then, the fix is:

 ; English curved quotes:
 ; SmartQuotes=''  Get rid of this mistake!!
 ; These are the right ones (note added equal sign):
 SmartQuotes=\xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3

 That tells Frame to use its *internally-coded* characters,
 and those it knows how to map to the real Unicode characters,
 because in the MIF we get UTF-8 that is correct for those.

 Thank you, Winfried!

 Mit freundlichen Grüßen

 -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.omsys.com/
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Printing with line numbers

[Peter Hirons]

Gurus,

Does anyone know if it is possible to get FM to print with line numbers?

If so, how?

I have reviewers wanting this.

Peter

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conversion table question

[Jakob Fix]

Hi,

we're evaluating (rather successfully up to some point, I should say)
the use of FM8 to structure an unstructured document using a
conversion table.

The one problem we encounter and can't pin down is the presence of an
*Id* (Mixed case) attribute.  We use an unstructured document without
any EDD, and still the Id attribute (with a generated unique value) is
created and we don't know why and how.  It is not created for all
elements.

We would much more prefer to have id (lowercase) attributes created,
but it seems that this is one of the shortcomings of the structuring
method?  The conversion table itself doesn't hold any information
concerning any attributes.  I can provide the conversion table if that
it helps.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Re: conversion table question

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Jakob,

These Id and Idref attributes are usually created to facilitate converting 
the unstructured cross-references to structured cross-references. There is 
no way that I know of to change this attribute name during the conversion. I 
use FrameScript to clean up the cross-references, including renaming the Id 
and Idref attributes to match the final EDD.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

 Hi,

 we're evaluating (rather successfully up to some point, I should say)
 the use of FM8 to structure an unstructured document using a
 conversion table.

 The one problem we encounter and can't pin down is the presence of an
 *Id* (Mixed case) attribute.  We use an unstructured document without
 any EDD, and still the Id attribute (with a generated unique value) is
 created and we don't know why and how.  It is not created for all
 elements.

 We would much more prefer to have id (lowercase) attributes created,
 but it seems that this is one of the shortcomings of the structuring
 method?  The conversion table itself doesn't hold any information
 concerning any attributes.  I can provide the conversion table if that
 it helps.

 Thanks in advance for your help.

 -- 
 cheers,
 Jakob.
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Framemaker spam?

[Ben Hechter]

Am I imagining things or is it because I registered on the Framescript site 
that I started getting German-language spam that I never got before accessing 
that site?

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RE: Printing with line numbers

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi,

There is the free FrameScript script InsertLineCounter.fsl
which does that for you. Works very well.

http://www.itl.eu/framescript_download.html?L=1

Apart from that you could think of solutions with tables
or additonal flows. Not very convenient.

Best regards

Winfried

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 Gurus,
 
 Does anyone know if it is possible to get FM to print with 
 line numbers?
 
 If so, how?
 
 I have reviewers wanting this.
 
 Peter
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RE: Odd keyboard behavior

[Syed.Hosain]

 For those of us using English, then, the fix is:
 
 SmartQuotes=''  Get rid of this mistake!!
 SmartQuotes=\xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3
 
 That tells Frame to use its *internally-coded* characters,
 and those it knows how to map to the real Unicode characters,
 because in the MIF we get UTF-8 that is correct for those.

Hmmm ... a question. I seem to get the same identical result (on the
screen anyway) with either of the two versions above.

Is there some difference elsewhere that would matter?

BTW: I am using the U.S. version 8.0p277, in English only, on a Windows
XP SP3 system.)

Z
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RE: Odd keyboard behavior

[Dosick, Daniel (GE EntSol, Security)]

Thanks, Jeremy. One thing, though: the Ctrl-Alt-` and Ctrl-Alt-' methods
of creating curly double quotes appear to work just fine for me, with or
without Smart Quotes turned off.

--Dan


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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:41:24 -0700
From: Jeremy H. Griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Odd keyboard behavior
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:27:05 -0400, Dosick, Daniel (GE EntSol,
Security) 
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FM8 (patch 277), WinXP pro
 
This one's pretty bizarre: 

As of a couple of days ago (I think), when I type a single or double 
quotation mark (' or ) in Frame 8, a question mark appears rather than

the quotation mark character.

Changing the font has no effect. All the other keys do just what 
they're supposed to do.

This is only happening in FM8, not in FM7.1 or in any other application

I've tried.

Any ideas?

It's a Frame 8 bug; the Smart Quotes feature is broken.
As you know, Frame began using Unicode internally in FM8.
Pre-Unicode versions, like FM7, used the character set in Windows Code
Page 1252, ANSI, instead,  The two character sets are basically
identical for most code points, *except* for characters from U+0080
through U+009F.  In Unicode, those code points are the C1 control
characters and do not display.  In ANSI, they are a collection of
symbols that include the curly quotes among others.

In FM7, using Smart Quotes and typing  resulted in either character
0x93 (left) or 0x94 (right), depending on context.  In Unicode, those
code points are not displayable, but Frame didn't convert them to the
right Unicode characters, U+201C and U+201D, as it did for most other
characters in that zone.  Instead, it leaves the old ANSI in place, and
displays a question mark.

Interestingly, if you use Mif2Go to convert that file to either HTML or
Word RTF, the characters are correct in the output.  How come?  For
HTML, browsers still support the ANSI values, which Mif2Go passes
through, even though they are not valid Unicode.  For RTF, Word still
uses the ANSI set itself; in fact, Mif2Go has to convert the other
Unicode chars back to ANSI to make Word happy.  But that doesn't help if
you make a PDF; you still get the question marks.


What you need to do is, first, turn off Smart Quotes; in Format 
Document  Text Options... uncheck the box at the top left and Apply.
In FM8, it's dead; bury it.

Now, if you type a , you get a , the straight one.
If you want the curly one, type Ctrl-q Shift-R for the left one, or
Ctrl-q Shift-S for the right.  There are other ways, but that's the
fastest and simplest method.  The pre-8 method of Ctrl-Alt-` and
Ctrl-Alt-'
does *not* work; it gives you single quotes in FM8.

For single quotes, it's simpler.  Type a `, and get a left curly single
quote; type a ', and get a right.
Ctrl-q Shift-T and Ctrl-q Shift-U also work, if you are using a
non-English keyboard.  If you want the actual straight character
versions, you have to use Ctrl-` and Ctrl-'.  That's the same as in FM7.

Other characters in the 80-9F range are handled more gracefully.  If you
use the Ctrl-q sequences, you get the real Unicode character, mostly in
the U+2000 area.
Ctrl-q is your new best friend.  ;-)

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Re: Odd keyboard behavior

[Dave Reynolds]

Hi

Frame 8.0p277 on Win XP SP2.  Smart Quotes turned on.  Font in test doc 
is Bembo.  Language = UK English.  Windows regional settings = English 
New Zealand.

I've just tested the single and double curly quotes in a Frame document 
and they all work fine for me.  The Smart Quotes section in my maker.ini 
looks like this:

; Smart Quote Characters
; SmartQuotes \xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3 )  English curved quotes
; SmartQuotes \xe2\xd4\xe3\xd2 )  German-style quotes with base quotes
; SmartQuotes \xd5\xd5\xc7\xc8 )  French-style quotes using guillemets
; SmartQuotes \xd5\xd5\xd3\xd3 )  Swedish- and Finnish-style quotes
; SmartQuotes \xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3 )  Italian curved quotes
;
; English curved quotes:
SmartQuotes=‘’“”

In case the actual quote characters don't reproduce correctly via the 
list, they are curly quotes in the ini file (ie like 6 9).  When I 
opened the ini file into my old text editor Kedit, they did not 
display.  However, they did display correctly in Notepad. 

As far as I can remember, I haven't modified my maker.ini file at all 
(although I have other customisations).

Cheers

Dave

Yves Barbion wrote, on 16/10/2008 10:26 p.m.:
 Interesting.

 I'm a European user and the Smart Quotes section in my maker.ini looks like
 this:

 ; Smart Quote Characters
 ; SmartQuotes \xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3 )  English curved quotes
 ; SmartQuotes \xe2\xd4\xe3\xd2 )  German-style quotes with base quotes
 ; SmartQuotes \xd5\xd5\xc7\xc8 )  French-style quotes using guillemets
 ; SmartQuotes \xd5\xd5\xd3\xd3 )  Swedish- and Finnish-style quotes
 ; SmartQuotes \xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3 )  Italian curved quotes
 ;
 ; English curved quotes:
 SmartQuotes=''

 I don't remember changing anything in the maker.ini file, and the smart
 quotes work for me. Anyway, it's good to know that it can be fixed, and that
 you can even use custom quotes per language.

 Thanks to Jeremy and Dr. Reng!

   

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Re: Printing with line numbers

[Alan Litchfield]

From what I understand, and I have not done this myself in FM, is that this
can be achieved with FrameScript.

Dan Emory, in 1999, said the following, but again, I don't know if there have
been subsequent efforts to to create a plug-in that achieves these things.
When I want line numbering I use LaTeX

Good luck
Alan


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  Subject: RE: Line numbering and file breaks

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  Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:10:24 -0700 (MST)

  Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 2. - Is it possible to have line numbering down the side of a page, where
 the numbering counts only the lines with text in them and not blank lines?

Despite what some others have stated, there is no viable way to do this in
FrameMaker without developing an API client.

And, despite what one poster suggested, development of such an API client
would NOT be trivial, because it would have to detect both the presence and
the vertical position of each text line, whether in or out of a table, and
would have to deal with all of the following, which affect whether a line is
numbered, and, if it is, the positioning of the line number:

a. The ability to suppress line numbering for text that should not be numbered.

b. Suppress line numbering for empty paragraphs

c. Properly number text insets that are imported by reference.

d. The variable amounts of white space between wrapped lines of a multi-line
paragraph caused by the line spacing setting, and, if the paragraph is set
for variable spacing, the variations in inter-line spacing produced by the
presence of subscripts, superscripts, larger font sizes of formatted text
strings within paragraphs, and anchored frames inserted within the text of a
paragraph.

e. Variations in the Space Above/Below settings of paragraphs and tables.

f. Variations in the top/bottom cell margins of rows, and the alignment
(top, bottom, or center) of text within cells.

g. Suppression of line numbering for table heading and footing rows that
repeat on each page of a multi-page table.

h. The empty spaces created by graphics.

Additionally, such an API client would have to deal successfully with:

a. Multi-column page layouts, inserting the line numbers in that case in the
gaps between columns.

b. Other variations in master page usage which affect where and how the line
numbers would appear.

c. If line numbers run consecutively throughout a large multi-file book (as
opposed to starting the line numbering at 1 on each page), the API client
would also have to deal with the continuation of the line numbering in each
file of the multi-file book, and the large range in the number of line
number digits (from 1 to 6), finding some way to fit them within the page
margins, and the gaps between columns in multi-column layouts.

Certainly, the complexity of a line numbering capability such as that
described above explains why it is not presently available in FrameMaker,
and why (to my knowledge) no one has developed an API client that will do it.

In my view, the only feasible way it could be done is to:

a. Add a line numbering on/off parameter to the Numbering or Pagination
properties panel of the FrameMaker Paragraph Designer palette

b. Add a line numbering on/off parameter to the FrameMaker Table Designer
palette.

c. Add a Line Numbering Properties dialog to the FrameMaker Format 
Document menu that would be similar to the existing Change Bar Properties
dialog.

d. Add a line numbering continuation/restart parameter to the FrameMaker Set
Up Document dialog in the book file.

e. Impose tight restrictions on paragraph and table formats, as well as
master pages (e.g., no multi-column layouts for columns where line numbering
is required), to minimize the problems imposed by variations in spacing and
page layout described previously.

f. Develop a set of templates that implement the capabilities and
limitations described in a, b, c, and d above.


Peter Hirons wrote:
 Gurus,

 Does anyone know if it is possible to get FM to print with line numbers?

 If so, how?

 I have reviewers wanting this.

 Peter

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Re: Printing with line numbers

[Alan Litchfield]

Hi Art,

As I said, I have not done it myself. But if you have the script and it works
perhaps you could provide Peter with the requisite info on how to get it?

I have not had the need in FM ;)

Cheers
Alan

Art Campbell wrote:
 So the script doesn't work on your system, Alan?

 I've run it on 7  8 systems...

 Art

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 From what I understand, and I have not done this myself in FM, is that this
 can be achieved with FrameScript.




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Re: Printing with line numbers

[Art Campbell]

So the script doesn't work on your system, Alan?

I've run it on 7  8 systems...

Art

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On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Alan Litchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From what I understand, and I have not done this myself in FM, is that this
 can be achieved with FrameScript.

 Dan Emory, in 1999, said the following, but again, I don't know if there have
 been subsequent efforts to to create a plug-in that achieves these things.
 When I want line numbering I use LaTeX

 Good luck
 Alan

 
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 2. - Is it possible to have line numbering down the side of a page, where
 the numbering counts only the lines with text in them and not blank lines?
 
 Despite what some others have stated, there is no viable way to do this in
 FrameMaker without developing an API client.

 And, despite what one poster suggested, development of such an API client
 would NOT be trivial, because it would have to detect both the presence and
 the vertical position of each text line, whether in or out of a table, and
 would have to deal with all of the following, which affect whether a line is
 numbered, and, if it is, the positioning of the line number:

 a. The ability to suppress line numbering for text that should not be 
 numbered.

 b. Suppress line numbering for empty paragraphs

 c. Properly number text insets that are imported by reference.

 d. The variable amounts of white space between wrapped lines of a multi-line
 paragraph caused by the line spacing setting, and, if the paragraph is set
 for variable spacing, the variations in inter-line spacing produced by the
 presence of subscripts, superscripts, larger font sizes of formatted text
 strings within paragraphs, and anchored frames inserted within the text of a
 paragraph.

 e. Variations in the Space Above/Below settings of paragraphs and tables.

 f. Variations in the top/bottom cell margins of rows, and the alignment
 (top, bottom, or center) of text within cells.

 g. Suppression of line numbering for table heading and footing rows that
 repeat on each page of a multi-page table.

 h. The empty spaces created by graphics.

 Additionally, such an API client would have to deal successfully with:

 a. Multi-column page layouts, inserting the line numbers in that case in the
 gaps between columns.

 b. Other variations in master page usage which affect where and how the line
 numbers would appear.

 c. If line numbers run consecutively throughout a large multi-file book (as
 opposed to starting the line numbering at 1 on each page), the API client
 would also have to deal with the continuation of the line numbering in each
 file of the multi-file book, and the large range in the number of line
 number digits (from 1 to 6), finding some way to fit them within the page
 margins, and the gaps between columns in multi-column layouts.
 
 Certainly, the complexity of a line numbering capability such as that
 described above explains why it is not presently available in FrameMaker,
 and why (to my knowledge) no one has developed an API client that will do it.

 In my view, the only feasible way it could be done is to:

 a. Add a line numbering on/off parameter to the Numbering or Pagination
 properties panel of the FrameMaker Paragraph Designer palette

 b. Add a line numbering on/off parameter to the FrameMaker Table Designer
 palette.

 c. Add a Line Numbering Properties dialog to the FrameMaker Format 
 Document menu that would be similar to the existing Change Bar Properties
 dialog.

 d. Add a line numbering continuation/restart parameter to the FrameMaker Set
 Up Document dialog in the book file.

 e. Impose tight restrictions on paragraph and table formats, as well as
 master pages (e.g., no multi-column layouts for columns where line numbering
 is required), to minimize the problems imposed by variations in spacing and
 page layout described previously.

 f. Develop a set of templates that implement the capabilities and
 limitations described in a, b, c, and d above.


 Peter Hirons wrote:
 Gurus,

 Does anyone know if it is possible to get FM to print with line numbers?

 If so, how?

 I have reviewers wanting this.

 Peter

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Re: Odd keyboard behavior

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:56:28 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 For those of us using English, then, the fix is:
 
 SmartQuotes=''  Get rid of this mistake!!
 SmartQuotes=\xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3
 
 That tells Frame to use its *internally-coded* characters,
 and those it knows how to map to the real Unicode characters,
 because in the MIF we get UTF-8 that is correct for those.

Hmmm ... a question. I seem to get the same identical result (on the
screen anyway) with either of the two versions above.

Did you make the change while Frame was *not* running?
If you make it while Frame is running, Frame will wipe
it out when it closes.

Is there some difference elsewhere that would matter?

Could be.  I've seen a couple of others post that the 
default works for them.  I've checked several times, 
and it doesn't for me.  Totally reproducible.

BTW: I am using the U.S. version 8.0p277, in English only, on a Windows
XP SP3 system.)

I'm still using 8.0p273, because of the reported issues
with p277 when it came out (posted on Framers).  Maybe
they fixed it then...


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RE: Odd keyboard behavior

[Syed.Hosain]

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:27 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Cc: Syed Zaeem Hosain ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 Subject: Re: Odd keyboard behavior
 
 On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:56:28 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  For those of us using English, then, the fix is:
 
  SmartQuotes=''  Get rid of this mistake!!
  SmartQuotes=\xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3
 
  That tells Frame to use its *internally-coded* characters,
  and those it knows how to map to the real Unicode characters,
  because in the MIF we get UTF-8 that is correct for those.
 
 Hmmm ... a question. I seem to get the same identical result (on the
screen anyway) with either of the two versions above.
 
 Did you make the change while Frame was *not* running?

Yes. I stopped Frame each time and re-started it - because I vaguely
remembered that it reads the maker.ini file only on startup. Don't know
if that is right or wrong, but just did it that way.

 If you make it while Frame is running, Frame will wipe it out when it
closes.

Good point ...

 Is there some difference elsewhere that would matter?
 
 Could be.  I've seen a couple of others post that the default works
for them.  I've checked several times, and it doesn't for me.  Totally
reproducible.

Interesting difference indeed! Is it a font specific issue perhaps? My
testing - albeit very brief - has been with Palatino Linotype only.

 BTW: I am using the U.S. version 8.0p277, in English only, on a
Windows XP SP3 system.)
 
 I'm still using 8.0p273, because of the reported issues
 with p277 when it came out (posted on Framers).  Maybe
 they fixed it then...

Perhaps! But, I don't remember seeing it in p273 either. Needless to
say, I am thinking of using the fix as you describe, since it makes it
easier to read in the maker.ini file anyway. :)

Z
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Text characters missing in printed FrameMaker document or in

[elizabeth moffatt]

Hi Marc,

I recently had this problem, specifically with the Symbol font. I could see it 
onscreen, and I had it installed within the font system. However, when I 
printed the document in anyway, it disappeared. The font was installed in the 
fonts file, and I'd see it within the embedded PDF font information. 

This piece of advice from Dave R helped:
-
One possible thing to check is this.  I vaguely remember having a 
similar problem a few years back.  We use the Type 1 Symbol font, and it 
suddenly stopped printing.  This coincided with either a PC or Windows 
upgrade.  Eventually found out that I did not have the True Type Symbol 
font installed (symbol.ttf).  Even though I was using the T1 font and 
not the TT font, Windows needed the TT font to be present for the T1 
version to "work".  It might pay to check your Windows\Fonts directory 
and make sure symbol.ttf is present.  If not, install it (just copy it 
from another PC and then install it on yours).
---

The font I had installed was a Type 1 font also, not a "true type" version. So 
I downloaded symbol.ttf, installed it successfully, and suddenly the font 
started appearing in printed documents.

So I guess the moral of this story is try installing a true type version of the 
fonts.

:-)

Elizabeth


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Odd keyboard behavior

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Jeremy

Are you sure the Smart Quotes feature is dead in FM8? It's still seems to
work fine in my version. I'm using FM 8.0p277 in Windows XP and I get nice
smart single and double quotes.

Cheers



-- 
Yves Barbion ? Managing Director ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
www.scripto.nu

Text characters missing in printed FrameMaker document or in PDF file

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Marc,

Probably this is caused by a bug caused by Microsoft.
Microsoft published a hotfix some monthgs ago, which
should fix your problem:
http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2008/07/hotfix_for_framemaker_1.html

Before that hotfix the work-around was to remove the
fntcache.dat file. That's no longer needed.

Best regards

Winfried 

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> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marc.REGNIER at oecd.org
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:06 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Text characters missing in printed FrameMaker 
> document or in PDF file
> 
> I have a problem when I print a Framemaker document in a PDF 
> file...  Some
> text is missing in the result.  I have tried a solution 
> giving in a technote
> on the Adobe site
> (http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=324
972=2),
> that said to Reduce the amount of system fonts in the Windows 
> font control
> panel, but the problem persists...
> 
>  
> 
> I have also tried many solutions mixing versions of 
> Framemaker (7.0, 7.2,
> 8.0) and Acrobat (6.0, 7.0, 8.0, 9.0), but found no solutions 
> (I'm working on
> XP SP2).
> 
>  
> 
> Now I'm lost...  Any suggestions ?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks

Odd keyboard behavior

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:22:29 +0200, "Yves Barbion"  
wrote:

>Are you sure the Smart Quotes feature is dead in FM8? It's still seems to
>work fine in my version. I'm using FM 8.0p277 in Windows XP and I get nice
>smart single and double quotes.

It's never worked for me, and seeing what Frame puts in the MIF,
it's hard to understand how it could work for anyone...  If you
want to send me a Frame file with an example of some you put in
that way, I'll see if there's a difference viewing it here.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Odd keyboard behavior

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:37:02 -0700, "Jeremy H. Griffith" 
 wrote:

>If you
>want to send me a Frame file with an example of some you put in
>that way, I'll see if there's a difference viewing it here.

Dr. Winifred Reng sent me one, and provided the clue that nailed
the problem; thank you!

It *is* a Frame 8 bug... but it's fixable in maker.ini.  ;-)

You will find a section there (in the main maker.ini, in
the directory with framemaker.exe) that has these lines:

; Smart Quote Characters
; SmartQuotes \xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3 )  English curved quotes
; SmartQuotes \xe2\xd4\xe3\xd2 )  German-style quotes with base quotes
; SmartQuotes \xd5\xd5\xc7\xc8 )  French-style quotes using guillemets
; SmartQuotes \xd5\xd5\xd3\xd3 )  Swedish- and Finnish-style quotes
; SmartQuotes \xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3 )  Italian curved quotes
;
; English curved quotes:
SmartQuotes=

Note that the first set is commented out, and the last line is the
one in effect.  And that's the bug.  The characters there are the
old ANSI ones, so those are what FM8 uses, with the bad results
described before.

So, when *European* users are setting up, they change to the
line needed for their country, German in Dr. Reng's case.  And
those *work*.  (Dr. Reng also changed \xe2 to \x2c to correct
for a font problem in Univers, a missing baseline single quote.)

For those of us using English, then, the fix is:

; English curved quotes:
; SmartQuotes=  Get rid of this mistake!!
; These are the right ones (note added equal sign):
SmartQuotes=\xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3

That tells Frame to use its *internally-coded* characters,
and those it knows how to map to the real Unicode characters,
because in the MIF we get UTF-8 that is correct for those.

Thank you, Winfried!  

Mit freundlichen Gr??en

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Odd keyboard behavior

[Yves Barbion]

Interesting.

I'm a European user and the Smart Quotes section in my maker.ini looks like
this:

; Smart Quote Characters
; SmartQuotes \xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3 )  English curved quotes
; SmartQuotes \xe2\xd4\xe3\xd2 )  German-style quotes with base quotes
; SmartQuotes \xd5\xd5\xc7\xc8 )  French-style quotes using guillemets
; SmartQuotes \xd5\xd5\xd3\xd3 )  Swedish- and Finnish-style quotes
; SmartQuotes \xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3 )  Italian curved quotes
;
; English curved quotes:
SmartQuotes=''""

I don't remember changing anything in the maker.ini file, and the smart
quotes work for me. Anyway, it's good to know that it can be fixed, and that
you can even use "custom" quotes per language.

Thanks to Jeremy and Dr. Reng!

-- 
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu



On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:37:02 -0700, "Jeremy H. Griffith"
>  wrote:
>
> >If you
> >want to send me a Frame file with an example of some you put in
> >that way, I'll see if there's a difference viewing it here.
>
> Dr. Winifred Reng sent me one, and provided the clue that nailed
> the problem; thank you!
>
> It *is* a Frame 8 bug... but it's fixable in maker.ini.  ;-)
>
> You will find a section there (in the main maker.ini, in
> the directory with framemaker.exe) that has these lines:
>
> ; Smart Quote Characters
> ; SmartQuotes \xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3 )  English curved quotes
> ; SmartQuotes \xe2\xd4\xe3\xd2 )  German-style quotes with base quotes
> ; SmartQuotes \xd5\xd5\xc7\xc8 )  French-style quotes using guillemets
> ; SmartQuotes \xd5\xd5\xd3\xd3 )  Swedish- and Finnish-style quotes
> ; SmartQuotes \xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3 )  Italian curved quotes
> ;
> ; English curved quotes:
> SmartQuotes=''""
>
> Note that the first set is commented out, and the last line is the
> one in effect.  And that's the bug.  The characters there are the
> old ANSI ones, so those are what FM8 uses, with the bad results
> described before.
>
> So, when *European* users are setting up, they change to the
> line needed for their country, German in Dr. Reng's case.  And
> those *work*.  (Dr. Reng also changed \xe2 to \x2c to correct
> for a font problem in Univers, a missing baseline single quote.)
>
> For those of us using English, then, the fix is:
>
> ; English curved quotes:
> ; SmartQuotes=''""  Get rid of this mistake!!
> ; These are the right ones (note added equal sign):
> SmartQuotes=\xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3
>
> That tells Frame to use its *internally-coded* characters,
> and those it knows how to map to the real Unicode characters,
> because in the MIF we get UTF-8 that is correct for those.
>
> Thank you, Winfried!
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr??en
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>http://www.omsys.com/
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Printing with line numbers

[Peter Hirons]

Gurus,

Does anyone know if it is possible to get FM to print with line numbers?

If so, how?

I have reviewers wanting this.

Peter

Printing with line numbers

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi,

There is the free FrameScript script InsertLineCounter.fsl
which does that for you. Works very well.

http://www.itl.eu/framescript_download.html?=1

Apart from that you could think of solutions with tables
or additonal flows. Not very convenient.

Best regards

Winfried

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> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Peter Hirons
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:53 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Printing with line numbers
> 
> Gurus,
> 
> Does anyone know if it is possible to get FM to print with 
> line numbers?
> 
> If so, how?
> 
> I have reviewers wanting this.
> 
> Peter

conversion table question

[Jakob Fix]

Hi,

we're evaluating (rather successfully up to some point, I should say)
the use of FM8 to structure an unstructured document using a
conversion table.

The one problem we encounter and can't pin down is the presence of an
*Id* (Mixed case) attribute.  We use an unstructured document without
any EDD, and still the Id attribute (with a generated unique value) is
created and we don't know why and how.  It is not created for all
elements.

We would much more prefer to have id (lowercase) attributes created,
but it seems that this is one of the shortcomings of the structuring
method?  The conversion table itself doesn't hold any information
concerning any attributes.  I can provide the conversion table if that
it helps.

Thanks in advance for your help.

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.

Framemaker spam?

[Ben Hechter]

Am I imagining things or is it because I registered on the Framescript site 
that I started getting German-language spam that I never got before accessing 
that site?

Ben Hechter 
bhechter at objectives.ca
www.semitake.com

conversion table question

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Jakob,

These Id and Idref attributes are usually created to facilitate converting 
the unstructured cross-references to structured cross-references. There is 
no way that I know of to change this attribute name during the conversion. I 
use FrameScript to clean up the cross-references, including renaming the Id 
and Idref attributes to match the final EDD.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

> Hi,
>
> we're evaluating (rather successfully up to some point, I should say)
> the use of FM8 to structure an unstructured document using a
> conversion table.
>
> The one problem we encounter and can't pin down is the presence of an
> *Id* (Mixed case) attribute.  We use an unstructured document without
> any EDD, and still the Id attribute (with a generated unique value) is
> created and we don't know why and how.  It is not created for all
> elements.
>
> We would much more prefer to have id (lowercase) attributes created,
> but it seems that this is one of the shortcomings of the structuring
> method?  The conversion table itself doesn't hold any information
> concerning any attributes.  I can provide the conversion table if that
> it helps.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> -- 
> cheers,
> Jakob.
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Odd keyboard behavior

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

> For those of us using English, then, the fix is:
> 
> SmartQuotes=''""  Get rid of this mistake!!
> SmartQuotes=\xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3
> 
> That tells Frame to use its *internally-coded* characters,
> and those it knows how to map to the real Unicode characters,
> because in the MIF we get UTF-8 that is correct for those.

Hmmm ... a question. I seem to get the same identical result (on the
screen anyway) with either of the two versions above.

Is there some difference elsewhere that would matter?

BTW: I am using the U.S. version 8.0p277, in English only, on a Windows
XP SP3 system.)

Z

Odd keyboard behavior

[Dosick, Daniel (GE EntSol, Security)]

Thanks, Jeremy. One thing, though: the Ctrl-Alt-` and Ctrl-Alt-' methods
of creating curly double quotes appear to work just fine for me, with or
without Smart Quotes turned off.

--Dan


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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:41:24 -0700
From: "Jeremy H. Griffith" 
Subject: Re: Odd keyboard behavior
To: 
Cc: "Dosick, Daniel \(GE EntSol, Security\)" 
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:27:05 -0400, "Dosick, Daniel (GE EntSol,
Security)" 
 wrote:

>FM8 (patch 277), WinXP pro
> 
>This one's pretty bizarre: 
>
>As of a couple of days ago (I think), when I type a single or double 
>quotation mark (' or ") in Frame 8, a question mark appears rather than

>the quotation mark character.
>
>Changing the font has no effect. All the other keys do just what 
>they're supposed to do.
>
>This is only happening in FM8, not in FM7.1 or in any other application

>I've tried.
>
>Any ideas?

It's a Frame 8 bug; the "Smart Quotes" feature is broken.
As you know, Frame began using Unicode internally in FM8.
Pre-Unicode versions, like FM7, used the character set in Windows Code
Page 1252, ANSI, instead,  The two character sets are basically
identical for most code points, *except* for characters from U+0080
through U+009F.  In Unicode, those code points are the "C1 control
characters" and do not display.  In ANSI, they are a collection of
symbols that include the curly quotes among others.

In FM7, using "Smart Quotes" and typing " resulted in either character
0x93 (left) or 0x94 (right), depending on context.  In Unicode, those
code points are not displayable, but Frame didn't convert them to the
right Unicode characters, U+201C and U+201D, as it did for most other
characters in that zone.  Instead, it leaves the old ANSI in place, and
displays a question mark.

Interestingly, if you use Mif2Go to convert that file to either HTML or
Word RTF, the characters are correct in the output.  How come?  For
HTML, browsers still support the ANSI values, which Mif2Go passes
through, even though they are not valid Unicode.  For RTF, Word still
uses the ANSI set itself; in fact, Mif2Go has to convert the other
Unicode chars back to ANSI to make Word happy.  But that doesn't help if
you make a PDF; you still get the question marks.


What you need to do is, first, turn off Smart Quotes; in Format >
Document > Text Options... uncheck the box at the top left and Apply.
In FM8, it's dead; bury it.

Now, if you type a ", you get a ", the straight one.
If you want the curly one, type Ctrl-q Shift-R for the left one, or
Ctrl-q Shift-S for the right.  There are other ways, but that's the
fastest and simplest method.  The pre-8 method of Ctrl-Alt-` and
Ctrl-Alt-'
does *not* work; it gives you single quotes in FM8.

For single quotes, it's simpler.  Type a `, and get a left curly single
quote; type a ', and get a right.
Ctrl-q Shift-T and Ctrl-q Shift-U also work, if you are using a
non-English keyboard.  If you want the actual straight character
versions, you have to use Ctrl-` and Ctrl-'.  That's the same as in FM7.

Other characters in the 80-9F range are handled more gracefully.  If you
use the Ctrl-q sequences, you get the real Unicode character, mostly in
the U+2000 area.
Ctrl-q is your new best friend.  ;-)

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/


--

Printing with line numbers

[Art Campbell]

So the script doesn't work on your system, Alan?

I've run it on 7 & 8 systems...

Art

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On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Alan Litchfield  
wrote:
> >From what I understand, and I have not done this myself in FM, is that this
> can be achieved with FrameScript.
>
> Dan Emory, in 1999, said the following, but again, I don't know if there have
> been subsequent efforts to to create a plug-in that achieves these things.
> When I want line numbering I use LaTeX
>
> Good luck
> Alan
>
> 
>  To: parldraft.lawcomm at , Free Framers  x>
>
>  Subject: RE: Line numbering and file breaks
>
>  From: Dan Emory 
>
>  Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:10:24 -0700 (MST)
>
>  Sender: owner-framers at x
>
>
>> 2. - Is it possible to have line numbering down the side of a page, where
>> the numbering counts only the lines with text in them and not blank lines?
> 
> Despite what some others have stated, there is no viable way to do this in
> FrameMaker without developing an API client.
>
> And, despite what one poster suggested, development of such an API client
> would NOT be trivial, because it would have to detect both the presence and
> the vertical position of each text line, whether in or out of a table, and
> would have to deal with all of the following, which affect whether a line is
> numbered, and, if it is, the positioning of the line number:
>
> a. The ability to suppress line numbering for text that should not be 
> numbered.
>
> b. Suppress line numbering for empty paragraphs
>
> c. Properly number text insets that are imported by reference.
>
> d. The variable amounts of white space between wrapped lines of a multi-line
> paragraph caused by the line spacing setting, and, if the paragraph is set
> for variable spacing, the variations in inter-line spacing produced by the
> presence of subscripts, superscripts, larger font sizes of formatted text
> strings within paragraphs, and anchored frames inserted within the text of a
> paragraph.
>
> e. Variations in the Space Above/Below settings of paragraphs and tables.
>
> f. Variations in the top/bottom cell margins of rows, and the alignment
> (top, bottom, or center) of text within cells.
>
> g. Suppression of line numbering for table heading and footing rows that
> repeat on each page of a multi-page table.
>
> h. The empty spaces created by graphics.
>
> Additionally, such an API client would have to deal successfully with:
>
> a. Multi-column page layouts, inserting the line numbers in that case in the
> gaps between columns.
>
> b. Other variations in master page usage which affect where and how the line
> numbers would appear.
>
> c. If line numbers run consecutively throughout a large multi-file book (as
> opposed to starting the line numbering at 1 on each page), the API client
> would also have to deal with the continuation of the line numbering in each
> file of the multi-file book, and the large range in the number of line
> number digits (from 1 to 6), finding some way to fit them within the page
> margins, and the gaps between columns in multi-column layouts.
> 
> Certainly, the complexity of a line numbering capability such as that
> described above explains why it is not presently available in FrameMaker,
> and why (to my knowledge) no one has developed an API client that will do it.
>
> In my view, the only feasible way it could be done is to:
>
> a. Add a line numbering on/off parameter to the Numbering or Pagination
> properties panel of the FrameMaker Paragraph Designer palette
>
> b. Add a line numbering on/off parameter to the FrameMaker Table Designer
> palette.
>
> c. Add a Line Numbering Properties dialog to the FrameMaker Format >
> Document menu that would be similar to the existing Change Bar Properties
> dialog.
>
> d. Add a line numbering continuation/restart parameter to the FrameMaker Set
> Up Document dialog in the book file.
>
> e. Impose tight restrictions on paragraph and table formats, as well as
> master pages (e.g., no multi-column layouts for columns where line numbering
> is required), to minimize the problems imposed by variations in spacing and
> page layout described previously.
>
> f. Develop a set of templates that implement the capabilities and
> limitations described in a, b, c, and d above.
>
>
> Peter Hirons wrote:
>> Gurus,
>>
>> Does anyone know if it is possible to get FM to print with line numbers?
>>
>> If so, how?
>>
>> I have reviewers wanting this.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> 

Odd keyboard behavior

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:56:28 -0600,  wrote:

>> For those of us using English, then, the fix is:
>> 
>> SmartQuotes=''""  Get rid of this mistake!!
>> SmartQuotes=\xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3
>> 
>> That tells Frame to use its *internally-coded* characters,
>> and those it knows how to map to the real Unicode characters,
>> because in the MIF we get UTF-8 that is correct for those.
>
>Hmmm ... a question. I seem to get the same identical result (on the
>screen anyway) with either of the two versions above.

Did you make the change while Frame was *not* running?
If you make it while Frame is running, Frame will wipe
it out when it closes.

>Is there some difference elsewhere that would matter?

Could be.  I've seen a couple of others post that the 
default works for them.  I've checked several times, 
and it doesn't for me.  Totally reproducible.

>BTW: I am using the U.S. version 8.0p277, in English only, on a Windows
>XP SP3 system.)

I'm still using 8.0p273, because of the reported issues
with p277 when it came out (posted on Framers).  Maybe
they fixed it then...


-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Odd keyboard behavior

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

> -Original Message-
> From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jeremy at omsys.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:27 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Cc: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
> Subject: Re: Odd keyboard behavior
> 
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:56:28 -0600,  wrote:
> 
> >> For those of us using English, then, the fix is:
> >>
> >> SmartQuotes=''""  Get rid of this mistake!!
> >> SmartQuotes=\xd4\xd5\xd2\xd3
> >>
> >> That tells Frame to use its *internally-coded* characters,
> >> and those it knows how to map to the real Unicode characters,
> >> because in the MIF we get UTF-8 that is correct for those.
> >
> >Hmmm ... a question. I seem to get the same identical result (on the
screen anyway) with either of the two versions above.
> 
> Did you make the change while Frame was *not* running?

Yes. I stopped Frame each time and re-started it - because I vaguely
remembered that it reads the maker.ini file only on startup. Don't know
if that is right or wrong, but just did it that way.

> If you make it while Frame is running, Frame will wipe it out when it
closes.

Good point ...

> >Is there some difference elsewhere that would matter?
> 
> Could be.  I've seen a couple of others post that the default works
for them.  I've checked several times, and it doesn't for me.  Totally
reproducible.

Interesting difference indeed! Is it a font specific issue perhaps? My
testing - albeit very brief - has been with Palatino Linotype only.

> >BTW: I am using the U.S. version 8.0p277, in English only, on a
Windows XP SP3 system.)
> 
> I'm still using 8.0p273, because of the reported issues
> with p277 when it came out (posted on Framers).  Maybe
> they fixed it then...

Perhaps! But, I don't remember seeing it in p273 either. Needless to
say, I am thinking of using the fix as you describe, since it makes it
easier to read in the maker.ini file anyway. :)

Z