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Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[David Spreadbury]

Because you are posting this question to frameusers, I assume you are using 
Framemaker as your authoring tool.
 
You can do this in several ways:
If the graphics don't require additional editting, in Frame you can open the 
Graphics tools, select the anchored frame, select the Pen Pattern in the 
Graphics icons and set it to whatever color you like. You can set the line 
width from the Graphics tools as well.
 
If there is some additional work to be done to the graphics in Illustrator, 
Photoshop, or Corel, you can create a rectangle, larger than you graphic, and 
then position the graphic within the rectangle.

--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Writer generic...@yahoo.ca wrote:

From: Writer generic...@yahoo.ca
Subject: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 8:42 AM

I apologize for the OT nature of this question, but I wasn't sure where
else to ask this question.

I have some line drawings of our product to include in a small hardware guide.
I want to outline the illustrations in a heavier line, but I don't know how
to do it in a simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any tech illustrators
here who are willing to let me in on their secret? I have access to Adobe
Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop, and Corel Paintshop Pro.

Thank you for your indulgence,

Nadine
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OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Writer]

I apologize for the OT nature of this question, but I wasn't sure where else to 
ask this question.

I have some line drawings of our product to include in a small hardware guide. 
I want to outline the illustrations in a heavier line, but I don't know how to 
do it in a simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any tech illustrators 
here who are willing to let me in on their secret? I have access to Adobe 
Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop, and Corel Paintshop Pro.

Thank you for your indulgence,

Nadine
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Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Writer]

I should have offered more information:

I want to create an outline to the actual object similar to the box in this 
illustration: http://www.khulsey.com/3_point_perspective_fig10.jpeg

The illustration was created in SolidWorks, which I then received from the 
engineer in PDF format. I converted the PDF to .jpg. 

I can select the outline using the Magic Wand tool in Corel Paintshop Pro, but 
it doesn't give me a smooth outline to work with.

Nadine

--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing
 To: generic...@yahoo.ca
 Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:12 AM
 What format are they in?
 
 -- 
 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 Technical Writer
 052-763-7133
 
 
 
 Writer wrote:
  I apologize for the OT nature of this question, but I
 wasn't sure where else to ask this question.
 
  I have some line drawings of our product to include in
 a small hardware guide. I want to outline the illustrations
 in a heavier line, but I don't know how to do it in a
 simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any tech
 illustrators here who are willing to let me in on their
 secret? I have access to Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop,
 and Corel Paintshop Pro.
 
  Thank you for your indulgence,
 
  Nadine
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RE: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[David Spreadbury]

Since you said that you have Illustrator available. Open the SolidWorks PDF
in Illustrator. Illustrator should recognize it as a vector image.

In Illustrator, select the objects you want and increase the line width to
the desired thickness.

Export it as JPEG and you should have what you are looking for.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:30 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing


I should have offered more information:

I want to create an outline to the actual object similar to the box in
this illustration: http://www.khulsey.com/3_point_perspective_fig10.jpeg

The illustration was created in SolidWorks, which I then received from the
engineer in PDF format. I converted the PDF to .jpg. 

I can select the outline using the Magic Wand tool in Corel Paintshop Pro,
but it doesn't give me a smooth outline to work with.

Nadine

--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing
 To: generic...@yahoo.ca
 Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:12 AM
 What format are they in?
 
 -- 
 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 Technical Writer
 052-763-7133
 
 
 
 Writer wrote:
  I apologize for the OT nature of this question, but I
 wasn't sure where else to ask this question.
 
  I have some line drawings of our product to include in
 a small hardware guide. I want to outline the illustrations
 in a heavier line, but I don't know how to do it in a
 simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any tech
 illustrators here who are willing to let me in on their
 secret? I have access to Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop,
 and Corel Paintshop Pro.
 
  Thank you for your indulgence,
 
  Nadine
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RE: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Writer]

I don't think the engineer saved it as a vectored drawing, because I can't seem 
to select individual parts of the illustration. I'll see if he can do that, and 
then I'll try it in Illustrator again.

Thanks, folks.

Nadine


--- On Wed, 5/6/09, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com
 Subject: RE: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing
 To: generic...@yahoo.ca, framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:34 AM
 Since you said that you have Illustrator available. Open the
 SolidWorks PDF
 in Illustrator. Illustrator should recognize it as a vector
 image.
 
 In Illustrator, select the objects you want and increase
 the line width to
 the desired thickness.
 
 Export it as JPEG and you should have what you are looking
 for.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
 Writer
 Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:30 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line
 drawing
 
 
 I should have offered more information:
 
 I want to create an outline to the actual object similar to
 the box in
 this illustration:
 http://www.khulsey.com/3_point_perspective_fig10.jpeg
 
 The illustration was created in SolidWorks, which I then
 received from the
 engineer in PDF format. I converted the PDF to .jpg. 
 
 I can select the outline using the Magic Wand tool in Corel
 Paintshop Pro,
 but it doesn't give me a smooth outline to work with.
 
 Nadine
 
 --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Shmuel Wolfson
 shmue...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  From: Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a
 line drawing
  To: generic...@yahoo.ca
  Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:12 AM
  What format are they in?
  
  -- 
  Regards,
  Shmuel Wolfson
  Technical Writer
  052-763-7133
  
  
  
  Writer wrote:
   I apologize for the OT nature of this question,
 but I
  wasn't sure where else to ask this question.
  
   I have some line drawings of our product to
 include in
  a small hardware guide. I want to outline the
 illustrations
  in a heavier line, but I don't know how to do it
 in a
  simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any tech
  illustrators here who are willing to let me in on
 their
  secret? I have access to Adobe Illustrator, Adobe
 Photoshop,
  and Corel Paintshop Pro.
  
   Thank you for your indulgence,
  
   Nadine
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RE: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Fred Ridder]

Responding to Nadine, David Spreadbury wrote:

 Since you said that you have Illustrator available. Open the SolidWorks PDF
 in Illustrator. Illustrator should recognize it as a vector image.
 
 In Illustrator, select the objects you want and increase the line width to
 the desired thickness.
 
 Export it as JPEG and you should have what you are looking for.


That's the same advice I was going to offer--right up to the last step. 
Exporting to JPEG is the worst of all possible options. 

The best advice is to use the PDF directly in the FrameMaker file. Using PDF 
graphics in a FrameMaker document has almost no compromises. The graphic is 
fully scalable with no loss of quality since it is still in vector form. It 
prints perfectly, and the on-screen display is excellent (EPS prints fine, but 
uses an ugly, low-res bitmap rendering for on-screen display).

Next best would be to export to EPS, EMF, or WMF, since all of those are vector 
formats which allow the image to be rescaled witout loss of quality.

Next in line would be exporting to PNG or GIF or TIFF, all of which are raster 
image formats. These are fixed-resolution formats which do compromise 
scalability, but other than freezingf the resolution they are lossless.

Last on the list would be JPEG, which is an inherently lossy format that was 
designed specifically for *photographic* images where the properties of the 
image conceal the image degradation and artifacts that are inevitably produced 
by the format's area-based image compression algorithm. JPEG is particularly 
ill-suited for line art or images containing text because it produces artifacts 
(a kind of gray smudginess) surrounding letters in text or alongside lines in a 
drawing.

-Fred Ridder

 

 

 
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Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Ask the engineer to save it as WMF. That keeps it as a vector graphic 
and you can relatively easily edit it in most drawing programs. (After 
you open the WMF you need to ungroup it before you can edit it.) If the 
engineer has some patience, ask him or her to save it in multiple 
formats in case one doesn't work - WMF, EMF and DXF. You can open DXF 
directly in CorelDraw.

Good luck. If you need more details, let me know.

-- 
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133


Writer wrote:
 I should have offered more information:

 I want to create an outline to the actual object similar to the box in this 
 illustration: http://www.khulsey.com/3_point_perspective_fig10.jpeg

 The illustration was created in SolidWorks, which I then received from the 
 engineer in PDF format. I converted the PDF to .jpg. 

 I can select the outline using the Magic Wand tool in Corel Paintshop Pro, 
 but it doesn't give me a smooth outline to work with.

 Nadine

 --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com wrote:

   
 From: Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing
 To: generic...@yahoo.ca
 Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:12 AM
 What format are they in?

 -- 
 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 Technical Writer
 052-763-7133

 

 Writer wrote:
 
 I apologize for the OT nature of this question, but I
   
 wasn't sure where else to ask this question.
 
 I have some line drawings of our product to include in
   
 a small hardware guide. I want to outline the illustrations
 in a heavier line, but I don't know how to do it in a
 simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any tech
 illustrators here who are willing to let me in on their
 secret? I have access to Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop,
 and Corel Paintshop Pro.
 
 Thank you for your indulgence,

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Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Jona Steenbrink]

If you can't select individual lines from the pdf in illustrator, try  
using the Live Trace tool (technical illustration preset) to create a  
new vector version of the illustration. Expand the result and you can  
select and modify the stroke of individual lines.

Live Trace may be CS3 and newer only.

Jona


On May 6, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Writer wrote:


 I don't think the engineer saved it as a vectored drawing, because I  
 can't seem to select individual parts of the illustration. I'll see  
 if he can do that, and then I'll try it in Illustrator again.

 Thanks, folks.

 Nadine


 --- On Wed, 5/6/09, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com
 Subject: RE: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing
 To: generic...@yahoo.ca, framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:34 AM
 Since you said that you have Illustrator available. Open the
 SolidWorks PDF
 in Illustrator. Illustrator should recognize it as a vector
 image.

 In Illustrator, select the objects you want and increase
 the line width to
 the desired thickness.

 Export it as JPEG and you should have what you are looking
 for.

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
 Writer
 Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:30 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line
 drawing


 I should have offered more information:

 I want to create an outline to the actual object similar to
 the box in
 this illustration:
 http://www.khulsey.com/3_point_perspective_fig10.jpeg

 The illustration was created in SolidWorks, which I then
 received from the
 engineer in PDF format. I converted the PDF to .jpg.

 I can select the outline using the Magic Wand tool in Corel
 Paintshop Pro,
 but it doesn't give me a smooth outline to work with.

 Nadine

 --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Shmuel Wolfson
 shmue...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a
 line drawing
 To: generic...@yahoo.ca
 Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:12 AM
 What format are they in?

 -- 
 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 Technical Writer
 052-763-7133

 

 Writer wrote:
 I apologize for the OT nature of this question,
 but I
 wasn't sure where else to ask this question.

 I have some line drawings of our product to
 include in
 a small hardware guide. I want to outline the
 illustrations
 in a heavier line, but I don't know how to do it
 in a
 simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any tech
 illustrators here who are willing to let me in on
 their
 secret? I have access to Adobe Illustrator, Adobe
 Photoshop,
 and Corel Paintshop Pro.

 Thank you for your indulgence,

 Nadine
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Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Stuart Rogers]

David Spreadbury wrote:
 Since you said that you have Illustrator available. Open the SolidWorks PDF
 in Illustrator. Illustrator should recognize it as a vector image.
 
 In Illustrator, select the objects you want and increase the line width to
 the desired thickness.
 
 Export it as JPEG and you should have what you are looking for.

Sounds like good advice, except for the JPEG part.  JPEG (Joint 
Photographic Experts Group) is a format optimized for photographs, and 
should NEVER be used for any other graphic type (especially not for line 
drawings).  Better choices would be PNG, TIFF, PDF, or EPS.


-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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RE: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[David Spreadbury]

Fred,
I was going with what the original poster mentioned, assuming the customer
was specifying JPEG. I recently ran into this issue and am not having any
problems with the Illustrator-to-JPEG graphics.

Personally, I would opt for GIF, but not from Illustrator. I would export
the Illustrator file to Photoshop and then use Photoshop to create the GIG.
I have run into too many issues with GIFs from Illustrator.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
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Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:50 AM
To: generic...@yahoo.ca; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing


Responding to Nadine, David Spreadbury wrote:

 Since you said that you have Illustrator available. Open the SolidWorks
PDF
 in Illustrator. Illustrator should recognize it as a vector image.
 
 In Illustrator, select the objects you want and increase the line width to
 the desired thickness.
 
 Export it as JPEG and you should have what you are looking for.


That's the same advice I was going to offer--right up to the last step.
Exporting to JPEG is the worst of all possible options. 

The best advice is to use the PDF directly in the FrameMaker file. Using PDF
graphics in a FrameMaker document has almost no compromises. The graphic is
fully scalable with no loss of quality since it is still in vector form. It
prints perfectly, and the on-screen display is excellent (EPS prints fine,
but uses an ugly, low-res bitmap rendering for on-screen display).

Next best would be to export to EPS, EMF, or WMF, since all of those are
vector formats which allow the image to be rescaled witout loss of quality.

Next in line would be exporting to PNG or GIF or TIFF, all of which are
raster image formats. These are fixed-resolution formats which do compromise
scalability, but other than freezingf the resolution they are lossless.

Last on the list would be JPEG, which is an inherently lossy format that was
designed specifically for *photographic* images where the properties of the
image conceal the image degradation and artifacts that are inevitably
produced by the format's area-based image compression algorithm. JPEG is
particularly ill-suited for line art or images containing text because it
produces artifacts (a kind of gray smudginess) surrounding letters in text
or alongside lines in a drawing.

-Fred Ridder

 

 

 
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Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Art Campbell]

I'd open the supplied PDF in Illustrator, select the object (you may
need to select lines and create an object), then bump the line width.
Or Live trace may work. Then SaveAs to create a new PDF.

As Fred and others pointed out, avoid JPG at all costs. You're already
in one of the most correct formats for what you want to do, so don't
mess with that part of it.

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On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 9:49 AM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Because you are posting this question to frameusers, I assume you are using 
 Framemaker as your authoring tool.

 You can do this in several ways:
 If the graphics don't require additional editting, in Frame you can open the 
 Graphics tools, select the anchored frame, select the Pen Pattern in the 
 Graphics icons and set it to whatever color you like. You can set the line 
 width from the Graphics tools as well.

 If there is some additional work to be done to the graphics in Illustrator, 
 Photoshop, or Corel, you can create a rectangle, larger than you graphic, and 
 then position the graphic within the rectangle.

 --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Writer generic...@yahoo.ca wrote:

 From: Writer generic...@yahoo.ca
 Subject: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 8:42 AM

 I apologize for the OT nature of this question, but I wasn't sure where
 else to ask this question.

 I have some line drawings of our product to include in a small hardware guide.
 I want to outline the illustrations in a heavier line, but I don't know how
 to do it in a simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any tech 
 illustrators
 here who are willing to let me in on their secret? I have access to Adobe
 Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop, and Corel Paintshop Pro.

 Thank you for your indulgence,

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Paragraph Designer Sticks in FM9

[Corcoran, Susan]

Hello fellow Framers,
 
I've upgraded to FM9 recently and I've found an odd quirk.  I wonder if
anyone else has seen the paragraph designer get stuck on a single panel?
I can be working along just fine, and suddenly the paragraph designer
refuses to switch views between Basic, Default Font, Pagination, etc.  I
can get the dropdown list of tags, but cannot change the tag name.  I
can get rid of the panel or pod, but each time I bring up paragraph
designer, it's still stuck.  Occasionally I can fix this by closing and
reopening the doc, but more often I have to restart Framemaker.  I work
with it in both structured and unstructured and it has happened with
both.
 
Has anyone else seen this or know what could cause it?
I'm running FM9 through Tech Comm Suite on Windows XP.
 
 
Susan Corcoran
 
Technical Writer III
Honeywell Scanning  Mobility
 
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Table Footnotes

[Martinek, Carla]

I haven't used table footnotes in ages, but I have a need for them in a
current document.
 
Am I losing my mind, or have they always appeared only at the *end* of
the table, even when it spans pages? Pretty darn inconvenient if you've
got a footnote on the first page of the table and have to go 2 pages
later to find out what it means...
 
I can't seem to find a setting to change this.
 
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RE: Paragraph Designer Sticks in FM9

[Corcoran, Susan]

Hi Jen,

Yes, I've downloaded both FM9 updates.  The second one successfully
fixed the missing Building Blocks, but this paragraph designer bug
persists.

 
Susan Corcoran
 
Technical Writer III
Honeywell Scanning  Mobility

 

 -Original Message-
 From: Jenny Greenleaf [mailto:jgreenl...@mac.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:16 PM
 To: Corcoran, Susan
 Subject: Re: Paragraph Designer Sticks in FM9
 
 I see this bug sometimes. I'm not sure what causes it. It 
 seems that there are several places where FM gets itself in 
 the wrong state.
 
 I am also working with a template with variables, and when I 
 select them in the pod, it doesn't always show the proper 
 information in the Add/Edit property sheet. It seems to be 
 one off (i.e., showing the information for the variable 
 following the one selected.) Clicking around seems to solve 
 the problem eventually.
 
 I downloaded an update, but it wouldn't run on my system, and 
 I haven't gotten around to trying again. Has anyone 
 successfully updated FM9? It seems fairly buggy and has 
 crashed on me several times.
 
 Jenny Greenleaf
 Greenleaf Agency, LLC
 
 
 On May 6, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Corcoran, Susan wrote:
 
  Hello fellow Framers,
 
  I've upgraded to FM9 recently and I've found an odd quirk.  
 I wonder 
  if anyone else has seen the paragraph designer get stuck on 
 a single 
  panel?
  I can be working along just fine, and suddenly the 
 paragraph designer 
  refuses to switch views between Basic, Default Font, 
 Pagination, etc.  
  I can get the dropdown list of tags, but cannot change the 
 tag name.  
  I can get rid of the panel or pod, but each time I bring up 
 paragraph 
  designer, it's still stuck.  Occasionally I can fix this by closing 
  and reopening the doc, but more often I have to restart 
 Framemaker.  I 
  work with it in both structured and unstructured and it has 
 happened 
  with both.
 
  Has anyone else seen this or know what could cause it?
  I'm running FM9 through Tech Comm Suite on Windows XP.
 
 
  Susan Corcoran
 
  Technical Writer III
  Honeywell Scanning  Mobility
 
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RE: Table Footnotes

[Fred Ridder]

One answer is to not use the Table Footnote feature per se.

Instead, create a footer row (with spanned cells) and put autonumbered notes 
inside it. Then in your table cells, insert cross-references to the numbers of 
the notes. This approach allows you to reference the same note from multiple 
cells, and all notes will appear on each page if the table breaks across pages.

-Fred Ridder

 Subject: Table Footnotes
 Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:17:48 -0500
 From: cmarti...@zebra.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 I haven't used table footnotes in ages, but I have a need for them in a
 current document.
 
 Am I losing my mind, or have they always appeared only at the *end* of
 the table, even when it spans pages? Pretty darn inconvenient if you've
 got a footnote on the first page of the table and have to go 2 pages
 later to find out what it means...
 
 I can't seem to find a setting to change this.
 
 -Carla

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RE: Table Footnotes

[Martinek, Carla]

Thanks. 

Fred  Berny's explanations remind me why I quit using table footnotes
years ago, and rewriting the documentation to avoid them.

Now I gotta fix these... Grrr Several tables in several files.

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RE: Paragraph Designer Sticks in FM9

[Writer]

I don't know if this will resolve your specific issue, but I find that I must 
reboot my computer at the end of the day every day; otherwise, FM (and other 
Adobe products) tend to act in weird and unpredictable ways.

Nadine


--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Corcoran, Susan susan.corco...@honeywell.com wrote:

 From: Corcoran, Susan susan.corco...@honeywell.com
 Subject: RE: Paragraph Designer Sticks in FM9
 To: Jenny Greenleaf jgreenl...@mac.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 2:27 PM
 Hi Jen,
 
 Yes, I've downloaded both FM9 updates.  The second one
 successfully
 fixed the missing Building Blocks, but this paragraph
 designer bug
 persists.
 
  
 Susan Corcoran
  
 Technical Writer III
 Honeywell Scanning  Mobility
 
  
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jenny Greenleaf [mailto:jgreenl...@mac.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:16 PM
  To: Corcoran, Susan
  Subject: Re: Paragraph Designer Sticks in FM9
  
  I see this bug sometimes. I'm not sure what causes
 it. It 
  seems that there are several places where FM gets
 itself in 
  the wrong state.
  
  I am also working with a template with variables, and
 when I 
  select them in the pod, it doesn't
 always show the proper 
  information in the Add/Edit property sheet. It seems
 to be 
  one off (i.e., showing the information for the
 variable 
  following the one selected.) Clicking around seems to
 solve 
  the problem eventually.
  
  I downloaded an update, but it wouldn't run on my
 system, and 
  I haven't gotten around to trying again. Has
 anyone 
  successfully updated FM9? It seems fairly buggy and
 has 
  crashed on me several times.
  
  Jenny Greenleaf
  Greenleaf Agency, LLC
  
  
  On May 6, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Corcoran, Susan wrote:
  
   Hello fellow Framers,
  
   I've upgraded to FM9 recently and I've
 found an odd quirk.  
  I wonder 
   if anyone else has seen the paragraph designer
 get stuck on 
  a single 
   panel?
   I can be working along just fine, and suddenly
 the 
  paragraph designer 
   refuses to switch views between Basic, Default
 Font, 
  Pagination, etc.  
   I can get the dropdown list of tags, but cannot
 change the 
  tag name.  
   I can get rid of the panel or pod, but each time
 I bring up 
  paragraph 
   designer, it's still stuck.  Occasionally I
 can fix this by closing 
   and reopening the doc, but more often I have to
 restart 
  Framemaker.  I 
   work with it in both structured and unstructured
 and it has 
  happened 
   with both.
  
   Has anyone else seen this or know what could
 cause it?
   I'm running FM9 through Tech Comm Suite on
 Windows XP.
  
  
   Susan Corcoran
  
   Technical Writer III
   Honeywell Scanning  Mobility
  
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RE: Table Footnotes

[Chris Seal]

Hi Carla,

I had this problem recently. Here's how I 'faked' it.

I created a 'real' footnote reference in text outside the table, so the
footnote text appears at the bottom of the page with the other 'real'
footnotes. Then I 'hid' the footnote reference by making it white and very
small. Lastly I added a superscript number in the table to resemble the
footnote reference. 
Caution: Although this method will automatically update the footnotes if
there are changes ahead of this table footnote, the fake footnote reference
in the table is not updated automatically, and would have to be updated if
necessary. There is probably a way of automating this.

In my situation I had to make a Framemaker document look like an existing
printed report.

...Chris

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla
Sent: May-06-09 2:18 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Table Footnotes

I haven't used table footnotes in ages, but I have a need for them in a
current document.
 
Am I losing my mind, or have they always appeared only at the *end* of
the table, even when it spans pages? Pretty darn inconvenient if you've
got a footnote on the first page of the table and have to go 2 pages
later to find out what it means...
 
I can't seem to find a setting to change this.
 
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OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Writer]

I apologize for the OT nature of this question, but I wasn't sure where else to 
ask this question.

I have some line drawings of our product to include in a small hardware guide. 
I want to outline the illustrations in a heavier line, but I don't know how to 
do it in a simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any tech illustrators 
here who are willing to let me in on their secret? I have access to Adobe 
Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop, and Corel Paintshop Pro.

Thank you for your indulgence,

Nadine

OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[David Spreadbury]

Because you are posting this question to frameusers, I assume you are using 
Framemaker as your authoring tool.
?
You can do this in several ways:
If the graphics don't require additional editting, in Frame you can open the 
Graphics tools, select the anchored frame, select the Pen Pattern in the 
Graphics icons and set it to whatever color you like. You can set the line 
width from the Graphics tools as well.
?
If there is some additional work to be done to the graphics in Illustrator, 
Photoshop, or Corel, you can create a rectangle, larger than you graphic, and 
then position the graphic within the rectangle.

--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Writer  wrote:

From: Writer 
Subject: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 8:42 AM

I apologize for the OT nature of this question, but I wasn't sure where
else to ask this question.

I have some line drawings of our product to include in a small hardware guide.
I want to outline the illustrations in a heavier line, but I don't know how
to do it in a simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any tech illustrators
here who are willing to let me in on their secret? I have access to Adobe
Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop, and Corel Paintshop Pro.

Thank you for your indulgence,

Nadine
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OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Writer]

I should have offered more information:

I want to create an outline to the actual object similar to the "box" in this 
illustration: http://www.khulsey.com/3_point_perspective_fig10.jpeg

The illustration was created in SolidWorks, which I then received from the 
engineer in PDF format. I converted the PDF to .jpg. 

I can select the outline using the Magic Wand tool in Corel Paintshop Pro, but 
it doesn't give me a smooth outline to work with.

Nadine

--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:

> From: Shmuel Wolfson 
> Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing
> To: generic668 at yahoo.ca
> Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:12 AM
> What format are they in?
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
> 
> 
> 
> Writer wrote:
> > I apologize for the OT nature of this question, but I
> wasn't sure where else to ask this question.
> >
> > I have some line drawings of our product to include in
> a small hardware guide. I want to outline the illustrations
> in a heavier line, but I don't know how to do it in a
> simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any tech
> illustrators here who are willing to let me in on their
> secret? I have access to Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop,
> and Corel Paintshop Pro.
> >
> > Thank you for your indulgence,
> >
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OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[David Spreadbury]

Since you said that you have Illustrator available. Open the SolidWorks PDF
in Illustrator. Illustrator should recognize it as a vector image.

In Illustrator, select the objects you want and increase the line width to
the desired thickness.

Export it as JPEG and you should have what you are looking for.

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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing


I should have offered more information:

I want to create an outline to the actual object similar to the "box" in
this illustration: http://www.khulsey.com/3_point_perspective_fig10.jpeg

The illustration was created in SolidWorks, which I then received from the
engineer in PDF format. I converted the PDF to .jpg. 

I can select the outline using the Magic Wand tool in Corel Paintshop Pro,
but it doesn't give me a smooth outline to work with.

Nadine

--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:

> From: Shmuel Wolfson 
> Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing
> To: generic668 at yahoo.ca
> Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:12 AM
> What format are they in?
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
> 
> 
> 
> Writer wrote:
> > I apologize for the OT nature of this question, but I
> wasn't sure where else to ask this question.
> >
> > I have some line drawings of our product to include in
> a small hardware guide. I want to outline the illustrations
> in a heavier line, but I don't know how to do it in a
> simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any tech
> illustrators here who are willing to let me in on their
> secret? I have access to Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop,
> and Corel Paintshop Pro.
> >
> > Thank you for your indulgence,
> >
> > Nadine
> > ___
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> >
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OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Writer]

I don't think the engineer saved it as a vectored drawing, because I can't seem 
to select individual parts of the illustration. I'll see if he can do that, and 
then I'll try it in Illustrator again.

Thanks, folks.

Nadine


--- On Wed, 5/6/09, David Spreadbury  wrote:

> From: David Spreadbury 
> Subject: RE: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing
> To: generic668 at yahoo.ca, framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:34 AM
> Since you said that you have Illustrator available. Open the
> SolidWorks PDF
> in Illustrator. Illustrator should recognize it as a vector
> image.
> 
> In Illustrator, select the objects you want and increase
> the line width to
> the desired thickness.
> 
> Export it as JPEG and you should have what you are looking
> for.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> Writer
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:30 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line
> drawing
> 
> 
> I should have offered more information:
> 
> I want to create an outline to the actual object similar to
> the "box" in
> this illustration:
> http://www.khulsey.com/3_point_perspective_fig10.jpeg
> 
> The illustration was created in SolidWorks, which I then
> received from the
> engineer in PDF format. I converted the PDF to .jpg. 
> 
> I can select the outline using the Magic Wand tool in Corel
> Paintshop Pro,
> but it doesn't give me a smooth outline to work with.
> 
> Nadine
> 
> --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Shmuel Wolfson
>  wrote:
> 
> > From: Shmuel Wolfson 
> > Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a
> line drawing
> > To: generic668 at yahoo.ca
> > Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:12 AM
> > What format are they in?
> > 
> > -- 
> > Regards,
> > Shmuel Wolfson
> > Technical Writer
> > 052-763-7133
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Writer wrote:
> > > I apologize for the OT nature of this question,
> but I
> > wasn't sure where else to ask this question.
> > >
> > > I have some line drawings of our product to
> include in
> > a small hardware guide. I want to outline the
> illustrations
> > in a heavier line, but I don't know how to do it
> in a
> > simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any tech
> > illustrators here who are willing to let me in on
> their
> > secret? I have access to Adobe Illustrator, Adobe
> Photoshop,
> > and Corel Paintshop Pro.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your indulgence,
> > >
> > > Nadine
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OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Fred Ridder]

Responding to Nadine, David Spreadbury wrote:

> Since you said that you have Illustrator available. Open the SolidWorks PDF
> in Illustrator. Illustrator should recognize it as a vector image.
> 
> In Illustrator, select the objects you want and increase the line width to
> the desired thickness.
> 
> Export it as JPEG and you should have what you are looking for.


That's the same advice I was going to offer--right up to the last step. 
Exporting to JPEG is the worst of all possible options. 

The best advice is to use the PDF directly in the FrameMaker file. Using PDF 
graphics in a FrameMaker document has almost no compromises. The graphic is 
fully scalable with no loss of quality since it is still in vector form. It 
prints perfectly, and the on-screen display is excellent (EPS prints fine, but 
uses an ugly, low-res bitmap rendering for on-screen display).

Next best would be to export to EPS, EMF, or WMF, since all of those are vector 
formats which allow the image to be rescaled witout loss of quality.

Next in line would be exporting to PNG or GIF or TIFF, all of which are raster 
image formats. These are fixed-resolution formats which do compromise 
scalability, but other than freezingf the resolution they are lossless.

Last on the list would be JPEG, which is an inherently lossy format that was 
designed specifically for *photographic* images where the properties of the 
image conceal the image degradation and artifacts that are inevitably produced 
by the format's area-based image compression algorithm. JPEG is particularly 
ill-suited for line art or images containing text because it produces artifacts 
(a kind of gray smudginess) surrounding letters in text or alongside lines in a 
drawing.

-Fred Ridder

OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Ask the engineer to save it as WMF. That keeps it as a vector graphic 
and you can relatively easily edit it in most drawing programs. (After 
you open the WMF you need to ungroup it before you can edit it.) If the 
engineer has some patience, ask him or her to save it in multiple 
formats in case one doesn't work - WMF, EMF and DXF. You can open DXF 
directly in CorelDraw.

Good luck. If you need more details, let me know.

-- 
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133


Writer wrote:
> I should have offered more information:
>
> I want to create an outline to the actual object similar to the "box" in this 
> illustration: http://www.khulsey.com/3_point_perspective_fig10.jpeg
>
> The illustration was created in SolidWorks, which I then received from the 
> engineer in PDF format. I converted the PDF to .jpg. 
>
> I can select the outline using the Magic Wand tool in Corel Paintshop Pro, 
> but it doesn't give me a smooth outline to work with.
>
> Nadine
>
> --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:
>
>   
>> From: Shmuel Wolfson 
>> Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing
>> To: generic668 at yahoo.ca
>> Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:12 AM
>> What format are they in?
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> Shmuel Wolfson
>> Technical Writer
>> 052-763-7133
>>
>> 
>>
>> Writer wrote:
>> 
>>> I apologize for the OT nature of this question, but I
>>>   
>> wasn't sure where else to ask this question.
>> 
>>> I have some line drawings of our product to include in
>>>   
>> a small hardware guide. I want to outline the illustrations
>> in a heavier line, but I don't know how to do it in a
>> simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any tech
>> illustrators here who are willing to let me in on their
>> secret? I have access to Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop,
>> and Corel Paintshop Pro.
>> 
>>> Thank you for your indulgence,
>>>
>>> Nadine
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OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Writer]

Thanks, Shmuel. 

You guys are awesome (and patient).

Nadine


--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:

> From: Shmuel Wolfson 
> Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing
> To: generic668 at yahoo.ca, "Framers" 
> Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:50 AM
> Ask the engineer to save it as WMF. That keeps it as a
> vector graphic and you can relatively easily edit it in most
> drawing programs. (After you open the WMF you need to
> ungroup it before you can edit it.) If the engineer has some
> patience, ask him or her to save it in multiple formats in
> case one doesn't work - WMF, EMF and DXF. You can open
> DXF directly in CorelDraw.
> 
> Good luck. If you need more details, let me know.
> 
> -- Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
> 
> 
> Writer wrote:
> > I should have offered more information:
> > 
> > I want to create an outline to the actual object
> similar to the "box" in this illustration:
> http://www.khulsey.com/3_point_perspective_fig10.jpeg
> > 
> > The illustration was created in SolidWorks, which I
> then received from the engineer in PDF format. I converted
> the PDF to .jpg. 
> > I can select the outline using the Magic Wand tool in
> Corel Paintshop Pro, but it doesn't give me a smooth
> outline to work with.
> > 
> > Nadine
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Shmuel Wolfson
>  wrote:
> > 
> >   
> >> From: Shmuel Wolfson 
> >> Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations -
> Outlining a line drawing
> >> To: generic668 at yahoo.ca
> >> Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:12 AM
> >> What format are they in?
> >> 
> >> -- Regards,
> >> Shmuel Wolfson
> >> Technical Writer
> >> 052-763-7133
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Writer wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I apologize for the OT nature of this
> question, but I
> >>>   
> >> wasn't sure where else to ask this question.
> >> 
> >>> I have some line drawings of our product to
> include in
> >>>   
> >> a small hardware guide. I want to outline the
> illustrations
> >> in a heavier line, but I don't know how to do
> it in a
> >> simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any
> tech
> >> illustrators here who are willing to let me in on
> their
> >> secret? I have access to Adobe Illustrator, Adobe
> Photoshop,
> >> and Corel Paintshop Pro.
> >> 
> >>> Thank you for your indulgence,
> >>> 
> >>> Nadine
> >>>
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OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Jona Steenbrink]

If you can't select individual lines from the pdf in illustrator, try  
using the Live Trace tool (technical illustration preset) to create a  
new vector version of the illustration. Expand the result and you can  
select and modify the stroke of individual lines.

Live Trace may be CS3 and newer only.

Jona


On May 6, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Writer wrote:

>
> I don't think the engineer saved it as a vectored drawing, because I  
> can't seem to select individual parts of the illustration. I'll see  
> if he can do that, and then I'll try it in Illustrator again.
>
> Thanks, folks.
>
> Nadine
>
>
> --- On Wed, 5/6/09, David Spreadbury  wrote:
>
>> From: David Spreadbury 
>> Subject: RE: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing
>> To: generic668 at yahoo.ca, framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:34 AM
>> Since you said that you have Illustrator available. Open the
>> SolidWorks PDF
>> in Illustrator. Illustrator should recognize it as a vector
>> image.
>>
>> In Illustrator, select the objects you want and increase
>> the line width to
>> the desired thickness.
>>
>> Export it as JPEG and you should have what you are looking
>> for.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
>> Writer
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:30 AM
>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line
>> drawing
>>
>>
>> I should have offered more information:
>>
>> I want to create an outline to the actual object similar to
>> the "box" in
>> this illustration:
>> http://www.khulsey.com/3_point_perspective_fig10.jpeg
>>
>> The illustration was created in SolidWorks, which I then
>> received from the
>> engineer in PDF format. I converted the PDF to .jpg.
>>
>> I can select the outline using the Magic Wand tool in Corel
>> Paintshop Pro,
>> but it doesn't give me a smooth outline to work with.
>>
>> Nadine
>>
>> --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Shmuel Wolfson
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> From: Shmuel Wolfson 
>>> Subject: Re: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a
>> line drawing
>>> To: generic668 at yahoo.ca
>>> Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:12 AM
>>> What format are they in?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Regards,
>>> Shmuel Wolfson
>>> Technical Writer
>>> 052-763-7133
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Writer wrote:
 I apologize for the OT nature of this question,
>> but I
>>> wasn't sure where else to ask this question.

 I have some line drawings of our product to
>> include in
>>> a small hardware guide. I want to outline the
>> illustrations
>>> in a heavier line, but I don't know how to do it
>> in a
>>> simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any tech
>>> illustrators here who are willing to let me in on
>> their
>>> secret? I have access to Adobe Illustrator, Adobe
>> Photoshop,
>>> and Corel Paintshop Pro.

 Thank you for your indulgence,

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OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Stuart Rogers]

David Spreadbury wrote:
> Since you said that you have Illustrator available. Open the SolidWorks PDF
> in Illustrator. Illustrator should recognize it as a vector image.
> 
> In Illustrator, select the objects you want and increase the line width to
> the desired thickness.
> 
> Export it as JPEG and you should have what you are looking for.

Sounds like good advice, except for the JPEG part.  JPEG (Joint 
Photographic Experts Group) is a format optimized for photographs, and 
should NEVER be used for any other graphic type (especially not for line 
drawings).  Better choices would be PNG, TIFF, PDF, or EPS.


-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
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OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[David Spreadbury]

Fred,
I was going with what the original poster mentioned, assuming the customer
was specifying JPEG. I recently ran into this issue and am not having any
problems with the Illustrator-to-JPEG graphics.

Personally, I would opt for GIF, but not from Illustrator. I would export
the Illustrator file to Photoshop and then use Photoshop to create the GIG.
I have run into too many issues with GIFs from Illustrator.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:50 AM
To: generic668 at yahoo.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing


Responding to Nadine, David Spreadbury wrote:

> Since you said that you have Illustrator available. Open the SolidWorks
PDF
> in Illustrator. Illustrator should recognize it as a vector image.
> 
> In Illustrator, select the objects you want and increase the line width to
> the desired thickness.
> 
> Export it as JPEG and you should have what you are looking for.


That's the same advice I was going to offer--right up to the last step.
Exporting to JPEG is the worst of all possible options. 

The best advice is to use the PDF directly in the FrameMaker file. Using PDF
graphics in a FrameMaker document has almost no compromises. The graphic is
fully scalable with no loss of quality since it is still in vector form. It
prints perfectly, and the on-screen display is excellent (EPS prints fine,
but uses an ugly, low-res bitmap rendering for on-screen display).

Next best would be to export to EPS, EMF, or WMF, since all of those are
vector formats which allow the image to be rescaled witout loss of quality.

Next in line would be exporting to PNG or GIF or TIFF, all of which are
raster image formats. These are fixed-resolution formats which do compromise
scalability, but other than freezingf the resolution they are lossless.

Last on the list would be JPEG, which is an inherently lossy format that was
designed specifically for *photographic* images where the properties of the
image conceal the image degradation and artifacts that are inevitably
produced by the format's area-based image compression algorithm. JPEG is
particularly ill-suited for line art or images containing text because it
produces artifacts (a kind of gray smudginess) surrounding letters in text
or alongside lines in a drawing.

-Fred Ridder






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OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing

[Art Campbell]

I'd open the supplied PDF in Illustrator, select the object (you may
need to select lines and create an object), then bump the line width.
Or Live trace may work. Then SaveAs to create a new PDF.

As Fred and others pointed out, avoid JPG at all costs. You're already
in one of the most correct formats for what you want to do, so don't
mess with that part of it.

As

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On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 9:49 AM, David Spreadbury  wrote:
> Because you are posting this question to frameusers, I assume you are using 
> Framemaker as your authoring tool.
>
> You can do this in several ways:
> If the graphics don't require additional editting, in Frame you can open the 
> Graphics tools, select the anchored frame, select the Pen Pattern in the 
> Graphics icons and set it to whatever color you like. You can set the line 
> width from the Graphics tools as well.
>
> If there is some additional work to be done to the graphics in Illustrator, 
> Photoshop, or Corel, you can create a rectangle, larger than you graphic, and 
> then position the graphic within the rectangle.
>
> --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Writer  wrote:
>
> From: Writer 
> Subject: OT: Technical illustrations - Outlining a line drawing
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 8:42 AM
>
> I apologize for the OT nature of this question, but I wasn't sure where
> else to ask this question.
>
> I have some line drawings of our product to include in a small hardware guide.
> I want to outline the illustrations in a heavier line, but I don't know how
> to do it in a simple, efficient, competent way. Are there any tech 
> illustrators
> here who are willing to let me in on their secret? I have access to Adobe
> Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop, and Corel Paintshop Pro.
>
> Thank you for your indulgence,
>
> Nadine
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Paragraph Designer Sticks in FM9

[Corcoran, Susan]

Hello fellow Framers,

I've upgraded to FM9 recently and I've found an odd quirk.  I wonder if
anyone else has seen the paragraph designer get stuck on a single panel?
I can be working along just fine, and suddenly the paragraph designer
refuses to switch views between Basic, Default Font, Pagination, etc.  I
can get the dropdown list of tags, but cannot change the tag name.  I
can get rid of the panel or pod, but each time I bring up paragraph
designer, it's still stuck.  Occasionally I can fix this by closing and
reopening the doc, but more often I have to restart Framemaker.  I work
with it in both structured and unstructured and it has happened with
both.

Has anyone else seen this or know what could cause it?
I'm running FM9 through Tech Comm Suite on Windows XP.


Susan Corcoran

Technical Writer III
Honeywell Scanning & Mobility

Table Footnotes

[Martinek, Carla]

I haven't used table footnotes in ages, but I have a need for them in a
current document.

Am I losing my mind, or have they always appeared only at the *end* of
the table, even when it spans pages? Pretty darn inconvenient if you've
got a footnote on the first page of the table and have to go 2 pages
later to find out what it means...

I can't seem to find a setting to change this.

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Paragraph Designer Sticks in FM9

[Corcoran, Susan]

Hi Jen,

Yes, I've downloaded both FM9 updates.  The second one successfully
fixed the missing Building Blocks, but this paragraph designer bug
persists.


Susan Corcoran

Technical Writer III
Honeywell Scanning & Mobility



> -Original Message-
> From: Jenny Greenleaf [mailto:jgreenleaf at mac.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:16 PM
> To: Corcoran, Susan
> Subject: Re: Paragraph Designer Sticks in FM9
> 
> I see this bug sometimes. I'm not sure what causes it. It 
> seems that there are several places where FM gets itself in 
> the wrong state.
> 
> I am also working with a template with variables, and when I 
> select them in the "pod," it doesn't always show the proper 
> information in the Add/Edit property sheet. It seems to be 
> one off (i.e., showing the information for the variable 
> following the one selected.) Clicking around seems to solve 
> the problem eventually.
> 
> I downloaded an update, but it wouldn't run on my system, and 
> I haven't gotten around to trying again. Has anyone 
> successfully updated FM9? It seems fairly buggy and has 
> crashed on me several times.
> 
> Jenny Greenleaf
> Greenleaf Agency, LLC
> 
> 
> On May 6, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Corcoran, Susan wrote:
> 
> > Hello fellow Framers,
> >
> > I've upgraded to FM9 recently and I've found an odd quirk.  
> I wonder 
> > if anyone else has seen the paragraph designer get stuck on 
> a single 
> > panel?
> > I can be working along just fine, and suddenly the 
> paragraph designer 
> > refuses to switch views between Basic, Default Font, 
> Pagination, etc.  
> > I can get the dropdown list of tags, but cannot change the 
> tag name.  
> > I can get rid of the panel or pod, but each time I bring up 
> paragraph 
> > designer, it's still stuck.  Occasionally I can fix this by closing 
> > and reopening the doc, but more often I have to restart 
> Framemaker.  I 
> > work with it in both structured and unstructured and it has 
> happened 
> > with both.
> >
> > Has anyone else seen this or know what could cause it?
> > I'm running FM9 through Tech Comm Suite on Windows XP.
> >
> >
> > Susan Corcoran
> >
> > Technical Writer III
> > Honeywell Scanning & Mobility
> >
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Table Footnotes

[Fred Ridder]

One answer is to not use the Table Footnote feature per se.

Instead, create a footer row (with spanned cells) and put autonumbered notes 
inside it. Then in your table cells, insert cross-references to the numbers of 
the notes. This approach allows you to reference the same note from multiple 
cells, and all notes will appear on each page if the table breaks across pages.

-Fred Ridder

> Subject: Table Footnotes
> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:17:48 -0500
> From: CMartinek at zebra.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> I haven't used table footnotes in ages, but I have a need for them in a
> current document.
> 
> Am I losing my mind, or have they always appeared only at the *end* of
> the table, even when it spans pages? Pretty darn inconvenient if you've
> got a footnote on the first page of the table and have to go 2 pages
> later to find out what it means...
> 
> I can't seem to find a setting to change this.
> 
> -Carla

Table Footnotes

[Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)]

Hi Carla,
AFAIK, table footnotes have always behaved that way. We also have tables
in our manuals that span several pages and all of the footnotes are at
the bottom of the table. My big pet peeve is when the table is long
enough that the footnotes flip to the top of the next page, without
taking the last row of the table with them. That just looks dumb.


Berny Gagne
Lead Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
Bolton, Ontario, Canada


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martinek,
Carla
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:18 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Table Footnotes

I haven't used table footnotes in ages, but I have a need for them in a
current document.

Am I losing my mind, or have they always appeared only at the *end* of
the table, even when it spans pages? Pretty darn inconvenient if you've
got a footnote on the first page of the table and have to go 2 pages
later to find out what it means...

I can't seem to find a setting to change this.

-Carla

Table Footnotes

[Martinek, Carla]

Thanks. 

Fred & Berny's explanations remind me why I quit using table footnotes
years ago, and rewriting the documentation to avoid them.

Now I gotta fix these... Grrr Several tables in several files.

-Carla

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Paragraph Designer Sticks in FM9

[Writer]

I don't know if this will resolve your specific issue, but I find that I must 
reboot my computer at the end of the day every day; otherwise, FM (and other 
Adobe products) tend to act in weird and unpredictable ways.

Nadine


--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Corcoran, Susan  wrote:

> From: Corcoran, Susan 
> Subject: RE: Paragraph Designer Sticks in FM9
> To: "Jenny Greenleaf" , framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Received: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 2:27 PM
> Hi Jen,
> 
> Yes, I've downloaded both FM9 updates.  The second one
> successfully
> fixed the missing Building Blocks, but this paragraph
> designer bug
> persists.
> 
>  
> Susan Corcoran
>  
> Technical Writer III
> Honeywell Scanning & Mobility
> 
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jenny Greenleaf [mailto:jgreenleaf at mac.com] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:16 PM
> > To: Corcoran, Susan
> > Subject: Re: Paragraph Designer Sticks in FM9
> > 
> > I see this bug sometimes. I'm not sure what causes
> it. It 
> > seems that there are several places where FM gets
> itself in 
> > the wrong state.
> > 
> > I am also working with a template with variables, and
> when I 
> > select them in the "pod," it doesn't
> always show the proper 
> > information in the Add/Edit property sheet. It seems
> to be 
> > one off (i.e., showing the information for the
> variable 
> > following the one selected.) Clicking around seems to
> solve 
> > the problem eventually.
> > 
> > I downloaded an update, but it wouldn't run on my
> system, and 
> > I haven't gotten around to trying again. Has
> anyone 
> > successfully updated FM9? It seems fairly buggy and
> has 
> > crashed on me several times.
> > 
> > Jenny Greenleaf
> > Greenleaf Agency, LLC
> > 
> > 
> > On May 6, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Corcoran, Susan wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello fellow Framers,
> > >
> > > I've upgraded to FM9 recently and I've
> found an odd quirk.  
> > I wonder 
> > > if anyone else has seen the paragraph designer
> get stuck on 
> > a single 
> > > panel?
> > > I can be working along just fine, and suddenly
> the 
> > paragraph designer 
> > > refuses to switch views between Basic, Default
> Font, 
> > Pagination, etc.  
> > > I can get the dropdown list of tags, but cannot
> change the 
> > tag name.  
> > > I can get rid of the panel or pod, but each time
> I bring up 
> > paragraph 
> > > designer, it's still stuck.  Occasionally I
> can fix this by closing 
> > > and reopening the doc, but more often I have to
> restart 
> > Framemaker.  I 
> > > work with it in both structured and unstructured
> and it has 
> > happened 
> > > with both.
> > >
> > > Has anyone else seen this or know what could
> cause it?
> > > I'm running FM9 through Tech Comm Suite on
> Windows XP.
> > >
> > >
> > > Susan Corcoran
> > >
> > > Technical Writer III
> > > Honeywell Scanning & Mobility
> > >
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Table Footnotes

[Chris Seal]

Hi Carla,

I had this problem recently. Here's how I 'faked' it.

I created a 'real' footnote reference in text outside the table, so the
footnote text appears at the bottom of the page with the other 'real'
footnotes. Then I 'hid' the footnote reference by making it white and very
small. Lastly I added a superscript number in the table to resemble the
footnote reference. 
Caution: Although this method will automatically update the footnotes if
there are changes ahead of this table footnote, the fake footnote reference
in the table is not updated automatically, and would have to be updated if
necessary. There is probably a way of automating this.

In my situation I had to make a Framemaker document look like an existing
printed report.

...Chris

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla
Sent: May-06-09 2:18 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Table Footnotes

I haven't used table footnotes in ages, but I have a need for them in a
current document.

Am I losing my mind, or have they always appeared only at the *end* of
the table, even when it spans pages? Pretty darn inconvenient if you've
got a footnote on the first page of the table and have to go 2 pages
later to find out what it means...

I can't seem to find a setting to change this.

-Carla

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Coverting Word docs to Structured Framemaker

[Gill, Tracy]

Hi All,



Has anyone any expertise in converting word docs to structured
framemaker.  I have done a lot of converting unstructured frame to
structured frame using the conversion table and wondered whether I would
use the same process for word documents?



Thanks

Tracy



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OT: Adobe TCS2--RoboHelp 8 integration with FrameMaker 9

[Peter Kelly]

Hello everybody,

I just tried evaluating the Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and
found that RoboHelp 8 in particular did not produce consistent results.
I managed to corrupt every project I created only by continuously making
changes in the style mappings from FM to RH and then regenerating.
Sometimes the TOC would not generate at all. Has anyone been using RH8
and has anyone been able to get good results? If so what are you doing
right? Yes I watched the tutorial Adobe produced on FM9 and RH8, which
helped improve my results but it doesn't change the fact that RH8 seems
unstable.

Best,
Peter