Re: [RMX:NL] Re: Printing RoboHelp Topics by Filename

[Robert Lauriston]

If the report is complete, no reason. I'd check it once against a file
listing to make sure. I wouldn't take anything RoboHelp purports to do
on faith.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Slager Timothy J
 wrote:
> I'm not sure why you would want to mess with a command window, when you can 
> easily generate a report within RH.
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Re: On the lookout for a new FM template

[Writer]

Steve, consider having a look at this book: 
http://www.amazon.com/Non-Designers-Design-Book-4th/dp/0133966151/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1416603600&sr=1-1
Nadine

  From: Alan Houser 
 To: Steve Madison ; "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 3:50 PM
 Subject: Re: On the lookout for a new FM template
   
 Two options come to mind --
 
 - FrameMaker 12 ships with several new sets of templates (File>New>Document, 
"Explore Templates"; or Help>Samples).
 
 - Google "Adobe Template Pack" for a series of FrameMaker 5.5 templates 
developed (long ago) by Adobe. These may provide layout ideas.
 
 -Alan


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412-450-0532 On 11/21/14, 2:06 PM, Steve Madison wrote:
  
 
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Contemplating a new format for our FM12 manuals and wondering if there are any 
websites where one could check out assorted layouts? Perhaps a “template 
website” or somewhere out there on Adobe?    Thanks    Steve    
 
 
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Re: On the lookout for a new FM template

[Alan Houser]

Two options come to mind --

- FrameMaker 12 ships with several new sets of templates 
(File>New>Document, "Explore Templates"; or Help>Samples).


- Google "Adobe Template Pack" for a series of FrameMaker 5.5 templates 
developed (long ago) by Adobe. These may provide layout ideas.


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On 11/21/14, 2:06 PM, Steve Madison wrote:


Contemplating a new format for our FM12 manuals and wondering if there 
are any websites where one could check out assorted layouts? Perhaps a 
"template website" or somewhere out there on Adobe?


Thanks

Steve




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Re: On the lookout for a new FM template

[Robert Lauriston]

I've seen very few FrameMaker templates outside of those bundled with
the application, and most if not all of the ones I've seen reflected
bad practices.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Mikey Shine  wrote:
> I've never heard of any site like that.
>
>
>
> On Nov 21, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Steve Madison 
> wrote:
>
> Contemplating a new format for our FM12 manuals and wondering if there are
> any websites where one could check out assorted layouts? Perhaps a “template
> website” or somewhere out there on Adobe?
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Re: On the lookout for a new FM template

[Mikey Shine]

I've never heard of any site like that.



> On Nov 21, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Steve Madison  wrote:
> 
> Contemplating a new format for our FM12 manuals and wondering if there are 
> any websites where one could check out assorted layouts? Perhaps a “template 
> website” or somewhere out there on Adobe?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Steve
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Re: Docbook bookfile

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Thanks all … for your kind concerns about me trying to do a docbook experiment 
in the DITA ages ….

I have been working with docbook (variants) already back in the FrameMaker 5.5 
days, so  for docbook has been there in FM, I know. And it still is. 
In the early days this < support> was not based on round tripping the XML. 
My current client has inherited a simple, docbook based structured application. 
They maintain both a structured FM version (book with chapters) and individual 
XML files (one for each chapter). To get them working in a real single sourcing 
set up (that is, not having to maintain FM versions anymore) my first approach 
would be to  a ditamap or fm-book by using the docbook book doctype. 
This  can link to XML files, being the first step to topic based. But, as 
Alan points out, FM converts each component to a FM file when opening the 
 XML file. 

I have not been doing docbook or any other custom XML in FM for a long time, 
and being spoiled by all the DITA support suddenly feel a bit clumsy by trying 
to get a docbook  into FM.
So, I was wondering if any of you already had found or made a solution for that.

Eventually my client will move to DITA. But as they have a lot of current 
content it’s not feasible to start a conversion project now. We have to find a 
short term solution to let them continue working with the content as it is. 


Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Wim Hooghwinkel
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Re: Tech Comm Suite 5

[Gillian Flato]

Cool. Thanks!

-Gillian

On Nov 21, 2014, at 5:10 AM, Jeff Coatsworth  
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> Did you happen to see Bernie’s guest post about FM & XMl/DITA? - 
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/11/xml-authoring-made-easy-not-for-geeks-anymore.html
>  
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> Subject: Re: Tech Comm Suite 5
>  
> Thanks, appreciate the help and info.
>  
> -Gillian
>  
>  
> On Nov 20, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Gillian...
> 
> You may want to post this question to the framemaker-dita Yahoo group for 
> additional info.
> 
> 1) There are no DITA "publishing scripts" in FM. To generate a PDF you save 
> the map to a book file (with FM chapter files), then save the book to a PDF. 
> The formatting of the generated FM files is controlled by the structure 
> application(s). Customizing the structure applications is far more complex 
> than can be explained in an email, but that's where you'll need to look. Note 
> that there is no difference between DITA authored in Oxygen or FM .. if it's 
> valid DITA, it's just DITA. Some people think that DITA in FM isn't "pure 
> DITA" .. it should be, and if it's not, it's not DITA.
> 
> DITA-FMx provides a much easier path to 
> publishing and customizing than you'll get with default FM, and can be fully 
> automated with additional tools.
> 
> 2) It depends on what you're trying to do. Here's the official list, the mode 
> of "connection" to FM and the effectiveness of these CMSes can be debated ..
> 
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/cms-integration.html
> 
> DITA-FMx connects to the XDocs CMS, which is I 
> believe the lowest-cost CMS on the list. We are in the process of working on 
> a connector with easyDITA as well.
> 
> 3) It depends on how consistently tagged your FM files are. If your FM files 
> are a "mess" it's going to be really hard .. if your FM files are really 
> clean, it's going to be just reasonably hard. The sample files and webinar on 
> this page may be of some use ..
> 
> http://leximation.com/downloads/adobe-fm2xml-2013/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> ...scott
> 
> 
> Scott Prentice
> Leximation, Inc.
> www.leximation.com
> +1.415.485.1892
>  
> On 11/20/14 11:35 AM, Gillian Flato wrote:
> Guys,
>  
> I am considering using Tech Comm Suite 5 for a project. I have some questions 
> which I know you guys can answer better than Adobe:
>  
> 1. How do you edit the publishing scripts to make custom-designed PDFs? Is it 
> the same as with Oxygen and “pure” DITA? I have edited custom plugins that I 
> used with Oxygen. 
>  
> 2. What’s a good, relatively low-cost CMS to use with Tech Comm Suite 5?
>  
> 3. How easy is it to convert unstructured Frame docs to DITA docs to be used 
> in Frame?
>  
> Thanks!
>  
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On the lookout for a new FM template

[Steve Madison]

Contemplating a new format for our FM12 manuals and wondering if there are any 
websites where one could check out assorted layouts? Perhaps a “template 
website” or somewhere out there on Adobe?

Thanks

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Re: Docbook bookfile

[Alan Houser]

Whoa ... FrameMaker has "supported" Docbook for many releases. But the 
support is generally poor, and is for a relatively ancient version of 
DocBook (4.1).


Anybody who attempts to use FrameMaker for a real Docbook-based workflow 
(particularly for authoring) is in for a lot of hurt. Which is a shame, 
given the alignment of most Docbook use cases (long PDF docs) with 
perhaps FrameMaker's most appealing strength (long PDF docs).


To address Wim's original issue, I've always been frustrated/baffled by 
FrameMaker's XML "book" handling (converting each component file to an 
XML entity). Thinking out loud, it may be possible to create a "shell" 
XML file that maintains book components using XSLT's 'document()' and 
'result-document()' functions. But you would probably not retain the 
features of the FrameMaker book file.


In an ideal world, one could take a vendor's feature list at face value. 
But that is not our world.


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On 11/21/14, 11:37 AM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

I doubt there are many FrameMaker DocBook users, since support was
just added in FM12. In structured mode it should not convert XML to
.fm.

If you don't have FM12, I suggest downloading an eval copy.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp  wrote:

Now when I open a docbook book file in FM, FM converts it directly to a FM
book. All XML files are converted to fm files. That’s not what I want.




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Re: Docbook bookfile

[Robert Lauriston]

I couldn't find any documentation of DocBook support before FM12. Not
that there's much in FM12's docs, either.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
> FM has provided support for docbook since 7.2. It's been weak and incomplete
> (as it still is), but it's been there. If you poke around in the structure
> applications, you'll see an xdocbook app.
>
> Wim .. in order to use docbook effectively in FM, you'll need to do a bit of
> development work, both structure app development but also likely some FDK
> work. You may be better off trying to develop a docbook specialization of
> DITA .. but that will have it's own special problems!
>
> ...scott
>
> On 11/21/14 8:37 AM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
>
> I doubt there are many FrameMaker DocBook users, since support was
> just added in FM12. In structured mode it should not convert XML to
> .fm.
>
> If you don't have FM12, I suggest downloading an eval copy.
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp 
> wrote:
>
> Now when I open a docbook book file in FM, FM converts it directly to a FM
> book. All XML files are converted to fm files. That’s not what I want.
>
>
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Re: Docbook bookfile

[Scott Prentice]

FM has provided support for docbook since 7.2. It's been weak and 
incomplete (as it still is), but it's been there. If you poke around in 
the structure applications, you'll see an xdocbook app.


Wim .. in order to use docbook effectively in FM, you'll need to do a 
bit of development work, both structure app development but also likely 
some FDK work. You may be better off trying to develop a docbook 
specialization of DITA .. but that will have it's own special problems!


...scott

On 11/21/14 8:37 AM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

I doubt there are many FrameMaker DocBook users, since support was
just added in FM12. In structured mode it should not convert XML to
.fm.

If you don't have FM12, I suggest downloading an eval copy.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp  wrote:

Now when I open a docbook book file in FM, FM converts it directly to a FM
book. All XML files are converted to fm files. That’s not what I want.




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Re: Docbook bookfile

[Robert Lauriston]

I doubt there are many FrameMaker DocBook users, since support was
just added in FM12. In structured mode it should not convert XML to
.fm.

If you don't have FM12, I suggest downloading an eval copy.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp  wrote:
> Now when I open a docbook book file in FM, FM converts it directly to a FM
> book. All XML files are converted to fm files. That’s not what I want.
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RE: mouse alternative

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Yeah! I have an older version of this keyboard - was called something else 
(Microsoft Natural Wireless Keyboard or some such thing). This is at work where 
I do most of my editing and typing and stuff.

My home keyboard is an old Dell standard one ... just an okay keyboard, but I 
don't do a lot of editing on it (just using it now for example), so not too 
painful.

I just bought a Kensington Expert Trackball based on recommendations here to 
check out. Only one place (at home so far) so still getting used to it. 
Surprisingly, going back and forth from home (trackball) to work (large 
Microsoft mouse) is not proving too difficult - my hand memories are getting 
trained to both. Sorta like the fact that I can drive on both sides of the road 
(right here and left in UK).

Only one confusion ... I downloaded the software from Kensington, but it does 
not allow me to set the upper left or upper keys. Or at least working the way I 
have them set in the software. Thoughts and suggestions?

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Davis, David
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 1:22 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: mouse alternative 

I had horrible RSI in my mouse-clicking finger back in the bad-old-days of 
mechanical mice.
Modern optical mice have made things a lot better, and I changed mouse-hands to 
become "ambi-mousetrous" too, which all helped...

I've been using this Microsoft "ergonomic" keyboard and mouse for the past 
year, I'm getting on pretty well with it.
The keyboard is sloped and has a gap in the middle, so your hands turn a bit 
sideways rather than horizontal over the keys - it's a less stressful position.
The mouse is also kind of sideways, so your hand sits in a natural rest 
position.  Costs a bit more than ordinary ones, but I felt it was worth it.

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-gb/p/sculpt-ergonomic-desktop/L5V-6

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RE: Tech Comm Suite 5

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Did you happen to see Bernie's guest post about FM & XMl/DITA? - 
http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/11/xml-authoring-made-easy-not-for-geeks-anymore.html

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato
Sent: November-20-14 7:37 PM
To: Scott Prentice
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Tech Comm Suite 5

Thanks, appreciate the help and info.

-Gillian


On Nov 20, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Scott Prentice 
mailto:s...@leximation.com>> wrote:


Hi Gillian...

You may want to post this question to the framemaker-dita Yahoo group for 
additional info.

1) There are no DITA "publishing scripts" in FM. To generate a PDF you save the 
map to a book file (with FM chapter files), then save the book to a PDF. The 
formatting of the generated FM files is controlled by the structure 
application(s). Customizing the structure applications is far more complex than 
can be explained in an email, but that's where you'll need to look. Note that 
there is no difference between DITA authored in Oxygen or FM .. if it's valid 
DITA, it's just DITA. Some people think that DITA in FM isn't "pure DITA" .. it 
should be, and if it's not, it's not DITA.

DITA-FMx provides a much easier path to publishing 
and customizing than you'll get with default FM, and can be fully automated 
with additional tools.

2) It depends on what you're trying to do. Here's the official list, the mode 
of "connection" to FM and the effectiveness of these CMSes can be debated ..

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/cms-integration.html

DITA-FMx connects to the XDocs CMS, which is I 
believe the lowest-cost CMS on the list. We are in the process of working on a 
connector with easyDITA as well.

3) It depends on how consistently tagged your FM files are. If your FM files 
are a "mess" it's going to be really hard .. if your FM files are really clean, 
it's going to be just reasonably hard. The sample files and webinar on this 
page may be of some use ..

http://leximation.com/downloads/adobe-fm2xml-2013/

Cheers,

...scott



Scott Prentice

Leximation, Inc.

www.leximation.com

+1.415.485.1892


On 11/20/14 11:35 AM, Gillian Flato wrote:

Guys,



I am considering using Tech Comm Suite 5 for a project. I have some questions 
which I know you guys can answer better than Adobe:



1. How do you edit the publishing scripts to make custom-designed PDFs? Is it 
the same as with Oxygen and "pure" DITA? I have edited custom plugins that I 
used with Oxygen.



2. What's a good, relatively low-cost CMS to use with Tech Comm Suite 5?



3. How easy is it to convert unstructured Frame docs to DITA docs to be used in 
Frame?



Thanks!



-Gillian



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Re: Docbook bookfile

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Wim, 

the new FM 12 XML Author tool would create book files, but only xml
files for chapters inside etc. 

So your authors could work with this tool. It looks like this is want
you want (any DTD would work). 
Publishing would be done afterwards with a regular FM (not necessarily
FM 12). 

best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp: 

> I'll redefine my question: 
> for a specific use case I'm investigating the option of using a docbook book 
> file to let my client edit and maintain their docbook-based xml files in a 
> book-like setting. Analog to the ditamap. 
> Now when I open a docbook book file in FM, FM converts it directly to a FM 
> book. All XML files are converted to fm files. That's not what I want. 
> I want the author to be able to open the docbook book file as XML, be able to 
> edit the individual linked XML files and eventually save the complete book as 
> FM book for publishing. 
> 
> So my question to current docbook FM users: has one of you found a solution 
> for this, maybe a script or a way of working that resembles the topic based 
> approach of DITA maps? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
> 
> Wim Hooghwinkel
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RE: mouse alternative

[Davis, David]

I had horrible RSI in my mouse-clicking finger back in the bad-old-days of 
mechanical mice.
Modern optical mice have made things a lot better, and I changed mouse-hands to 
become "ambi-mousetrous" too, which all helped...

I've been using this Microsoft "ergonomic" keyboard and mouse for the past 
year, I'm getting on pretty well with it.
The keyboard is sloped and has a gap in the middle, so your hands turn a bit 
sideways rather than horizontal over the keys - it's a less stressful position.
The mouse is also kind of sideways, so your hand sits in a natural rest 
position.  Costs a bit more than ordinary ones, but I felt it was worth it.

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-gb/p/sculpt-ergonomic-desktop/L5V-6

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Re: Docbook bookfile

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

I’ll redefine my question: 
for a specific use case I’m investigating the option of using a docbook book 
file to let my client edit and maintain their docbook-based xml files in a 
book-like setting. Analog to the ditamap. 
Now when I open a docbook book file in FM, FM converts it directly to a FM 
book. All XML files are converted to fm files. That’s not what I want.
I want the author to be able to open the docbook book file as XML, be able to 
edit the individual linked XML files and eventually save the complete book as 
FM book for publishing.

So my question to current docbook FM users: has one of you found a solution for 
this, maybe a script or a way of working that resembles the topic based 
approach of DITA maps?

Thanks,


Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Wim Hooghwinkel
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